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Originally Posted by MSP_Dave
(Post 27049096)
+100 ^
This is absolutely true. Delta's front line people are some of the best around. I'm certain that they were doing everything they could to help pax this week. DL management... well, I'm not sure I would let them run a circus right now, because they'd not only charge you 50% more, you'd get less entertainment while being told it was "higher-quality" entertainment. :p The funny thing is, I didn't feel this way about DL management only 2 short years ago, when Richard was still fully running the show. |
Originally Posted by dzflyer
(Post 27048986)
I have always said it and Ill say it again. I fly delta because of the frontline people. The phone agents pilots FAs etc. The delta management is just a bunch of clowns running a circus.
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Originally Posted by WWads
(Post 27049059)
Delta should just suck it up and issue a full refund to anyone who was badly delayed. At some point the ill-will being generated is more serious than a few days of lost revenue.
DL's image as a premium airline that is generally reliable has been shattered, and it will take a long time for them to rebuild that trust. Refunds without hassle are the first step IMO. That is simple COC stuff. Section 240(b) provides DL's contractual commitment to refund to the original form of payment, all unused segments of a ticket when a flight is cancelled or delayed by 90+ minutes. If all you want is a refund, just make that request. If you had not started the first segment, calculating the refund is easy as it is the total value of the ticket, including all ancillary fees paid. Once segments have been flown, it becomes a tougher calculation. This is another reason why seats disasppeared on other carriers so quickly as people booked by higher end corporate TA's simply had themselves rebooked (or corporate TA's acted quickly themselves once they realized what was up) and grabbed inventory on other carriers to get their people back to base camp, allowing refunds to sort out the mess later. All a larger mess because DL/AA no longer interline, leaving UA as the only viable domestic interline alternative. |
Originally Posted by MSP_Dave
(Post 27048946)
DL, like any other airline, issues vouchers based on the assumption that a certain % will never be redeemed; thus, they don't lose a penny in revenue as a result.
I doubt DL will simply just "toss more their way" to those who want more. If someone can articulate missed meetings, etc., they'll have a better chance, but your average Joe Traveler doesn't have a chance in hell of getting more than $200.
Originally Posted by TravellingMan
(Post 27049030)
For people who think Delta is going to hand them more than $200 DL Cash in compensation, you better get ready to do battle. Whether it is DOT or BBB or Small Claims; you are not going to get anywhere otherwise. Keep your receipts and ensure you get reimbursed within a reasonable amount of time, else escalate it. They will just deny everything the first time around.
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I'm still trying to figure out if the automatic $200 is per flight reservation, per flight segment, or per disruption.
I had one reservation affected. It was a round-trip with two segments, and both were affected. The second segment was affected twice, as I had two cancellations. So for me it was "Day 1, 4 hours delayed", "Day 2, canceled flight", "Day 3, rebooked flight canceled again." Will they give me $600 in vouchers? $400? $200? I haven't seen email yet and they definitely have my email address, I'm in Skymiles. I'll try to push for $600. Honestly, they should probably pay my hotel after they canceled my flight on day 2 and the next available flight was on day 3, but I had no idea who to talk to about that so I just booked a room and will expense it to the work contract. |
Originally Posted by MrAndy1369
(Post 27049276)
Why are people being so resistant towards DL giving more than $200? Honestly, $200 is a joke. I would think that DL would be much more willing to give more $ to those people who ask for it, especially given the hell they were through all week? :confused:
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Originally Posted by Often1
(Post 27049235)
This is another reason why seats disasppeared on other carriers so quickly as people booked by higher end corporate TA's simply had themselves rebooked (or corporate TA's acted quickly themselves once they realized what was up) and grabbed inventory on other carriers to get their people back to base camp, allowing refunds to sort out the mess later. All a larger mess because DL/AA no longer interline, leaving UA as the only viable domestic interline alternative.
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Originally Posted by vincentharris
(Post 27047740)
As for people in DC, Chicago, SF, Miami, etc. and remain loyal to Delta I will never understand it. I am loyal to DL because of being based in ATL. If I ever moved to Seattle for example Alaska Air here I come, Dallas hello AA, etc.
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Today's updated PR message says again that the "travel waiver has been extended." But it hasn't; as of now it's still only effective through today. No change from the last time they said it was extended.
To DL's credit, when I called yesterday afternoon I was only on hold maybe 90 seconds before a rep answered ^ (and cheerfully told me that my flight on the 12th showed as on-time and no, they could not make an exception to the scope of the waiver :p). |
...Aaaand the latest update just posted now declares operations as having returned "to normal" today. Hope that's true for the sake of everyone who's suffered this week (pax and employees).
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It's close to normal, but not quite. Still more delays than normal, and some residual cancellations. Also there were some overnight "delays" due to storms at MSP last night. About a handful of these were diversions that never officially cancelled and are finally getting to MSP today.
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Originally Posted by MSP_Dave
(Post 27048946)
As we've been told, a piece of electrical equipment (some kind of electrical switch-over device) failed. What I got last night - That failure caused a power spike in whatever data center it happened in, which ended up frying at least one bank of UPS batteries (they were smoking, that's how badly they were fried). Then, on top of that, the diesel generators for the building.... you guessed it!!... were under-powered for the electrical load in the data center, so not all of the servers were able to continue running. That's where I believe the "some systems failed over, others didn't" line from DL came from. But in my book that really doesn't explain the on-going delays and cancellations. Get your $*** together and implement the failover/DR plans for whatever systems are causing the problems.
To me, this is sounding more like a failure of Delta management for NOT having sufficient DR plans in place, including ensuring that the diesel generators were sufficient for the current and future data center electrical load, and, more importantly, NOT having tested said DR plans. After seeing what happened to the other airlines over the past few years, they should have been less unprepared for this. |
Originally Posted by Traveller
(Post 27049575)
I usually don't fly to bigger hub cities so I'd have to fly through Dallas, Charlotte or Houston anyway instead of Atlanta or Detroit. I'll stay with the airline I know. And Delta in MIA is so much easier to use than AA in all ways -- parking, one terminal, less crowded TSA lines.
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I got two $200 emails from Delta, one on Aug 8 and one on Aug 9. Not sure if it is a glitch or if I'll really see two vouchers show up in my account in "7 to 10 business days" but I'll be looking.
I did have one long delay that turned into a cancellation and another long delay where I finally just asked for a room and moved to a flight the next afternoon. |
Fascinating to read the wide range of experiences people had. For what it's worth...my wife flew Delta on Monday, changing planes in SLC, and was absolutely blown away by Delta's customer service during their IT meltdown. She has no status with Delta but all customers were given royal treatment.
Her connecting flight from SLC to DEN was cancelled; she was quickly rebooked on a flight scheduled to depart 3 hours later. That flight was delayed another 5 hours waiting for a crew. In the course of those 8 hours the gate area was constantly served with free food and drink by Delta. First there were sandwiches, chips, and waters. Then all were given $15 meal vouchers. Then a barrage of snacks were brought in with waters, resupplied often. Then 20 pizzas arrived with 5 different varieties. There was so much food and drink that leftovers were abundant. In addition, she said the frequent flight updates were helpful and accurate as all the Delta staff tried to make the best of a bad situation. She saw no customers "losing it;" in fact, when the flight crew finally arrived, they were greeting with an ovation by the waiting travelers! For her, the $200 voucher was a wonderful addition to the excellent customer service. And no, we do not work for Delta nor do we work anywhere in the travel industry. |
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