Mar 11, 2020, 10:13 am
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COVID-19: Lounge thread for thoughts, concerns and questions
Mar 22, 2020, 12:38 pm
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Agreed.
But we also desperately need to realise that in this interconnected world, "my" prosperity depends on others, even outside one's nation state, but also within. My wife forwarded a blog post to me a few weeks ago, which stated (I'm paraphrasing) that my own well-being now, in this crisis, also depends on the minimum wage earner handling my food in the supermarket. I'm most definitely NOT advocating a communist approach that we all earn the same etc. But we also need to realise, now more than ever, that "WE" is very much all of us.
Good health!
tb
But we also desperately need to realise that in this interconnected world, "my" prosperity depends on others, even outside one's nation state, but also within. My wife forwarded a blog post to me a few weeks ago, which stated (I'm paraphrasing) that my own well-being now, in this crisis, also depends on the minimum wage earner handling my food in the supermarket. I'm most definitely NOT advocating a communist approach that we all earn the same etc. But we also need to realise, now more than ever, that "WE" is very much all of us.
Good health!
tb
Mar 22, 2020, 12:39 pm
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Mar 22, 2020, 12:39 pm
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As far as Europe goes, all you need to do is look at Worldometer and see that the data indicates that Europe has now hit the backside of the infection curve. I can't recall seeing a major European country with more infections today than yesterday, and the worst hit -- like Italy and Spain -- are showing material declines. Data is data, and the end of the world never comes.
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Mar 22, 2020, 12:40 pm
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Plenty of people in the world live with less prosperity that you (and I have zero knowledge of your prosperity) or I. Prosperity is not a binary thing. I am fairly certain that I will come out of this thing less wealthy than I was before (though hopefully it will recover over time). I hope I also come out of it alive and healthy, too.
Mar 22, 2020, 12:44 pm
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is being locked up for 12 weeks or 9 months as are beingn described really living though? And what happens if this keeps occuring every few years as we see more frequently these "super bug" crises, how much are we going to quarantine and isolate ourselves before we decide enough is enough, 5% of our lives, 10%, 50%? I posed this the other day, what if life is about more than just surviving? Because right now it seems all anyone cares about is surviving, even if we aren't truly living.
Mar 22, 2020, 12:48 pm
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Is being locked up for 12 weeks or 9 months as are beingn described really living though? And what happens if this keeps occuring every few years as we see more frequently these "super bug" crises, How much are we going to quarantine and isolate ourselves before we decide enough is enough, 5% of our lives, 10%, 50%? I posed this the other day, what if life is about more than just surviving? Because right now it seems all anyone cares about is surviving, even if we aren't truly living.
Living mostly inside is still living and can still be fulfilling. You're painting an absurd picture of the situation that is not close to reality.
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Mar 22, 2020, 12:51 pm
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Mar 22, 2020, 12:52 pm
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As far as Europe goes, all you need to do is look at Worldometer and see that the data indicates that Europe has now hit the backside of the infection curve. I can't recall seeing a major European country with more infections today than yesterday, and the worst hit -- like Italy and Spain -- are showing material declines. Data is data, and the end of the world never comes.
Mar 22, 2020, 12:53 pm
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It's not being "locked up" and your positing a situation that may not occur as a reason to pan what is happening in this one.
Living mostly inside is still living and can still be fulfilling. You're painting an absurd picture of the situation that is not close to reality.
Living mostly inside is still living and can still be fulfilling. You're painting an absurd picture of the situation that is not close to reality.
Mar 22, 2020, 12:53 pm
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I was a kid, and yes, I had a few kid jobs. Sometimes there was no food in the house, but there are people who give help in the US and my mother always managed to find something so that we didn't go to bed completely hungry. What has that got to do with health not mattering to poor people, though? That was the claim.
Mar 22, 2020, 12:54 pm
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Mar 22, 2020, 12:56 pm
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I was a kid, and yes, I had a few kid jobs. Sometimes there was no food in the house, but there are people who give help in the US and my mother always managed to find something so that we didn't go to bed completely hungry. What has that got to do with health not mattering to poor people, though? That was the claim.
I was living in Uganda a year ago and there is no one as financially poor in America than the average Ugandan.
Mar 22, 2020, 12:56 pm
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Mar 22, 2020, 12:57 pm
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Mar 22, 2020, 12:58 pm
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