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Anglo Large Clawed Otter Jun 3, 2008 8:07 am


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 9818483)
Strong but limited federal government where the judiciary enforces laws, not create them...

I understand what you are trying to say, but such a system is impractical. The legislature can only do so much in crafting a body of laws. It will always be up to the courts to interpret what comes out of the legislature. Some statutes are an absolute mess, as a result of various compromises, revisions, and amendments. The horse-trading due to competing interests in the legislature often results in statutes that are imprecise and imperfect. The judiciary plays a key role in untangling some of the mess that comes out of the legislature.

Further, there is an entire body of common law, rooted in our historical traditions, the origins of which pre-date the founding of this nation by centuries. No legislature ever handed down those rules, but they have been consistently developed and applied by the courts as necessary facets of a society where people may have recourse to a neutral judiciary for resolution of disputes. Granted (and especially in Texas), much of this old common law has been codified (and even modified in many cases).

What is handed down by statute and what originated from common law really isn't the issue, though. Our tripartite system of government (executive, legislature, judiciary) has divisions of power for a very good reason. It is not the judiciary's place to create laws, but it is certainly the function of the judiciary to enforce and (by necessary implication) interpret those laws. If the electorate/legistlature are unhappy with judicial interpretation, they are free to clarify the laws they have handed down, or amend them, within the dictates of the Constitution(s) of a given jurisdiction. Further, processes are available for amending Constitutions. However, the Constitutional rules and balance of power have been made exceedingly difficult to change, for good reason.

ConciergeMike Jun 3, 2008 8:09 am

Oh, my bad. You meant the beach, as in the real beach. My experience is slightly different: I mean the more south shore people, like AC south to Cape May. The gaming crowd throws off my sample, and so does the PA crowd that sits in 6 hours of roundtrip traffic to go to Ocean City for 36 hours (:confused:).

belynch Jun 3, 2008 8:10 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 9818583)
kinda goofy/borderline uncomfortable

Now you know what it's like to date me. Or so I've been told. :p

In other news, looks like I'll be making my first reservation for a trans-atlantic business-first flight today. Curious to experience what all the fuss is about.

Way over is a 762 and the way back is a 777.

ConciergeMike Jun 3, 2008 8:12 am


Originally Posted by sdm1130 (Post 9818586)
it is possible to find a quite beach without trash (:eek:) hanging out all over it!

When coming or going, you just need to be VERY careful to avoid Seaside Heights - yuck! :D

Those beaches are down past me, south of AC. Strathmere, Sea Isle, etc.

I've heard that Seaside is getting nicer...I live 40 minutes from there, but I haven't been there in probably 10 years.

Hartmann Jun 3, 2008 8:14 am


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 9818597)
I understand what you are trying to say, but such a system is impractical. The legislature can only do so much in crafting a body of laws. It will always be up to the courts to interpret what comes out of the legislature. Some statutes are an absolute mess, as a result of various compromises, revisions, and amendments. The horse-trading due to competing interests in the legislature often results in statutes that are imprecise and imperfect. The judiciary plays a key role in untangling some of the mess that comes out of the legislature.

Further, there is an entire body of common law, rooted in our historical traditions, the origins of which pre-date the founding of this nation by centuries. No legislature ever handed down those rules, but they have been consistently developed and applied by the courts as necessary facets of a society where people may have recourse to a neutral judiciary for resolution of disputes. Granted (and especially in Texas), much of this old common law has been codified (and even modified in many cases).

What is handed down by statute and what originated from common law really isn't the issue, though. Our tripartite system of government (executive, legislature, judiciary) has divisions of power for a very good reason. Granted, it is not the judiciary's place to create laws, but it is certainly the function of the judiciary to enforce and (by necessary implication) interpret those laws. If the electorate/legistlature are unhappy with judicial interpretation, they are free to clarify the laws they have handed down, or amend them, within the dictates of the Constitution(s) of a given jurisdiction. Further, processes are available for amending Constitutions. However, the Constitutional rules and balance of power have been made exceedingly difficult to change, for good reason.

I completely agree with you [and I knew such a post was on its way for some reason ;)] and it may not be a completely possible system but it's theoretically the way to do it.

The judiciary has the right to interpret and enforce law but I think they have taken that to mean, "we can throw anything under the 'constitutional' umbrella and get control over it". That, in my mind is a very dangerous precedent.

Anyway, I'll save politics for OMNI, where I get stoned for my pipe-dreams ;)

ConciergeMike Jun 3, 2008 8:15 am

For the people that say CO isn't keeping the pace in the front cabin, there is no fuss to be had. The fuss for me would be getting a ride on a 777. I read a book on its development, and I really want to fly on one at some point, but the only way that's happening anytime soon is if I do EWR-IAH just for the hell of it, since I have no overseas plans.

sdm1130 Jun 3, 2008 8:17 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 9818628)
Those beaches are down past me, south of AC. Strathmere, Sea Isle, etc.

:confused: Seaside Heights and Island Beach State Park are north of AC. I'm not sure AC or areas south (with the exception of Cape May and a few other areas) are much different than my original description. :)


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 9818628)
I've heard that Seaside is getting nicer...I live 40 minutes from there, but I haven't been there in probably 10 years.

That would surprise me as I have heard that it is still very popular amongst the "rougher" (for lack of a better word at the moment) crowds from SI and Northern NJ.

sdm1130 Jun 3, 2008 8:20 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 9818643)
The fuss for me would be getting a ride on a 777.

I still can't help but smile every time I hear those engines roar on take off. :D

Regarding CO's BF product - it's an enjoyable experience. However, I would say don't get your hopes up too much. You eat some (decent) food for an hour and a half or so, drink a ton of wine and then you go to sleep. Before you know it, the experience people make a fuss over is done.

ConciergeMike Jun 3, 2008 8:22 am


Originally Posted by sdm1130 (Post 9818660)
:confused: Seaside Heights and Island Beach State Park are north of AC. I'm not sure AC or areas south (with the exception of Cape May and a few other areas) are much different than my original description. :).

"Those beaches" = the trash-free ones. There's several nice ones between AC and Cape May.


Originally Posted by sdm1130
That would surprise me as I have heard that it is still very popular amongst the "rougher" (for lack of a better word at the moment) crowds from SI and Northern NJ.

If true, so be it. But I had heard that there were condos going up and the overall environment was getting a little better. Seaside has always been a little rough, but if I want boardwalk games and that environment, I'd truthfully rather go to Wildwood anyway.

ETA: Finally after 5 tries, I got the UBB code right.

rolov Jun 3, 2008 8:24 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 9818527)
I actually grew up there - I'm a townie. I lived 8 years between the UF golf course and the law school off SW 2nd avenue and then 10 years in the neighborhood SE of the Steak & Shake on SW 13th Street (Kirkwood).

Thats cool
We rented a house on NW 27th terrace for 2 years .

ConciergeMike Jun 3, 2008 8:26 am


Originally Posted by sdm1130 (Post 9818679)
I still can't help but smile every time I hear those engines roar on take off. :D

I smile every time I hear the throttles go forward...I love that feeling, no matter what I'm riding in.

sdm1130 Jun 3, 2008 8:26 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 9818696)
"Those beaches" = the trash-free ones. There's several nice ones between AC and Cape May.

Got ya - sorry, I misunderstood your original post. I definitely agree - there are some decent beaches (with decent people) south of AC.


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 9818696)
If true, so be it. But I had heard that there were condos going up and the overall environment was getting a little better. Seaside has always been a little rough, but if I want boardwalk games and that environment, I'd truthfully rather go to Wildwood anyway.

That would certainly be good news for Seaside! I spent a lot of time at the boardwalk there when I was a child (when I didn't avoid the shore :)) and have some very good memories of what it was like before it started going down hill.

baglady Jun 3, 2008 8:26 am


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 9818265)
Has anyone noticed a fairly large increase in fare prices?

I was looking for a weekend getaway and I couldn't find a single place under $400.

I know that this was expected but sheesh, that's a big increase for some of my normal routes.


I'm having sticker shock. I just booked tix yesterday IAH-SAV; LAX-SAV and OMA-SAV and paid Y what I paid F for last year!!!! :( I even booked us on an RJ IAH-SAV (we're coming home ATL-IAH so have mainline) which I typically avoid at all costs. We fly IAH-LAX every month. I usually Y up our daughter since she's gold and usually one of us if not both will clear. We would average around $200 with chase discount for ours (not the Y up) - when I booked for June - $480 each (approx) so no Y up for jr. For a trip we make 12 times a year x 3 tix - WOW!

So do we have an answer if the strippers can sing?

rkkwan Jun 3, 2008 8:39 am


Originally Posted by sdm1130 (Post 9818679)
Regarding CO's BF product - it's an enjoyable experience. However, I would say don't get your hopes up too much. You eat some (decent) food for an hour and a half or so, drink a ton of wine and then you go to sleep. Before you know it, the experience people make a fuss over is done.

That's why some people elect to go to Hong Kong or India. :p

As for ticket prices, I need to go to LA this month - $400. My parents need to go to Boston - $400. It's like $400 anywhere one wants to go from Houston. No more $200 fares, no more $250 fares. Which makes the weekend specials even more appealing.

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OMG: There are no continental.com Specials this week. :eek:

rolov Jun 3, 2008 8:40 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 9818696)
"Those beaches" = the trash-free ones. There's several nice ones between AC and Cape May.



If true, so be it. But I had heard that there were condos going up and the overall environment was getting a little better. Seaside has always been a little rough, but if I want boardwalk games and that environment, I'd truthfully rather go to Wildwood anyway.

ETA: Finally after 5 tries, I got the UBB code right.

It is not much better , I try to avoid seaside as much as possible.
Only for surfing early in the am before the lifeguards kick you out.

Long Branch is worth checkin out , as they have really done a nice job with it .
Then there is Belmar which has been trying to get rid of all the younger seasonal renters by instituting a "No Fun Allowed Policy "
I retired from renting a shore house this summer, but We were mostly in Manasquan/ Sea Girt the past few years .


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