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MBM3 Mar 18, 2009 10:27 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 11433300)
Does CO really want 100 seat props? Or 100 seat planes at all? I'm not convinced that they really do.

There is a good argument for equipment in the 100 seat range to replace 735s.

sbm12 Mar 18, 2009 10:33 am


Originally Posted by MBM3 (Post 11433350)
There is a good argument for equipment in the 100 seat range to replace 735s.

I agree. And I think that the E90 is the perfect plane in that niche.

Boeing no longer has a 100 seat plane on the market, so they're out. If it were just a matter of upping the capacity on short hops (<400 miles) where the Qs are already in place that would be one thing. But the 735s fly much, much, much longer routes. AUS/DFW-EWR, anyone? There is no way that CO is going to try to operate a turboprop on routes like that. So they either have to up-gauge to ~150 seats or buy a 100 seat jet. The latter means mainline operations based on the scope clause, and I cannot see that as being something that the pilots will be at all flexible on.

CO 1E Mar 18, 2009 10:33 am


Originally Posted by MBM3 (Post 11433267)

Look like I will have to fly to LHR now to redeem for J on the EK 380. :rolleyes:

ConciergeMike Mar 18, 2009 10:34 am


Originally Posted by MBM3 (Post 11433350)
There is a good argument for equipment in the 100 seat range to replace 735s.

733's are on their way out too, but they seat more than 735's. The question then becomes how to divide F and Y.

ConciergeMike Mar 18, 2009 10:39 am

The E90 seatmap for US on the Guru doesn't look too bad at all. It's still 31" in Y, but the seats being a full inch-plus wider than CO's (assuming that that stays status quo) does make 31" hurt a little less.

MBM3 Mar 18, 2009 10:40 am


Originally Posted by CO 1E (Post 11433388)
Look like I will have to fly to LHR now to redeem for J on the EK 380. :rolleyes:

Or try to get on YYZ to DXB, though I do know it is a pain for you to get up there.

Steph3n Mar 18, 2009 10:42 am

I think Bombardier is trying to merge their prop plane and aircraft divisons by making real 'air trains' If they could just find a way to link together 4 Qtrains with one master puller propjob they'd be in business :D

That being said, I think there would be a market for a prop plane that is wider than the Q400 giving a bit of a widebody feel to it. With a 100 seat prop plane there would be a good market for intra Texas, Intra CA, and NE flying markets to more point to point style. But I don't think it fits the CO mold that well, WN would probably jump all over it however.

CO 1E Mar 18, 2009 10:45 am


Originally Posted by MBM3 (Post 11433433)
Or try to get on YYZ to DXB, though I do know it is a pain for you to get up there.

Not really. The difficulty is finding the reward space on YYZ-DXB.

ConciergeMike Mar 18, 2009 10:45 am


Originally Posted by Steph3n (Post 11433444)
With a 100 seat prop plane there would be a good market for intra Texas, Intra CA, and NE flying markets to more point to point style. But I don't think it fits the CO mold that well, WN would probably jump all over it however.

2 out of 3. WN would never touch the NE corridor business flying market - it would drag down their entire system's on-time numbers.

CO 1E Mar 18, 2009 10:47 am

What are the nicest US clubs in CLT and PHL?

Steph3n Mar 18, 2009 10:48 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11433461)
2 out of 3. WN would never touch the NE corridor business flying market - it would drag down their entire system's on-time numbers.

Oh I am just saying they are markets that could work for a larger Q not saying WN would take up all of them. But I could see them doing TX and CA replacing some jets with such. They would probably however make a dense 100 seater into a 84-86 seater...

Olton Hall Mar 18, 2009 11:01 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 11433386)
I agree. And I think that the E90 is the perfect plane in that niche.

+1

Steph3n Mar 18, 2009 11:03 am


Originally Posted by Olton Hall (Post 11433555)
+1

The CSeries may be better but at the rate they are dragging that one out it is a phantom product.

sdm1130 Mar 18, 2009 11:31 am

Our friends at TSA strike again... :rolleyes:

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...-airport_N.htm

sbm12 Mar 18, 2009 11:38 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11433429)
The E90 seatmap for US on the Guru doesn't look too bad at all. It's still 31" in Y, but the seats being a full inch-plus wider than CO's (assuming that that stays status quo) does make 31" hurt a little less.

Keep in mind that seat width measurements are not standardized the same way pitch measurements are, so the same seat can have somewhat significantly different measurements on width depending on what the carrier reports.

I've not done the E90 yet so I don't know that it is the case with US, but it is worth keeping in mind.


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