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sdm1130 Jan 22, 2009 8:18 pm


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 11126098)
My personal opinion (and that's all it is), is that if a person has the desire for self-betterment, he will seek out the means to achieve that desire.

And if a student is coming from a dysfunctional family and surrounding themselves with ignorant friends that are clueless when it comes to ethics (more high school students these days) then such a class would be a great place for them to seek out proper ethics.

Olton Hall Jan 22, 2009 8:20 pm


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 11126104)
P.S. - I am a micro economics person, macro was interesting but I focused more on the micro stuff. I loved managerial economics and the regression analysis math.

I've always been under the impression that most people prefer micro over macro based on discussions with friends. I consider myself an oddball, especially as an engineer, for liking macro over micro and I had a hard macro class (econ majors were shocked what we covered in that class)

sdm1130 Jan 22, 2009 8:22 pm


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 11126104)
Students that tell her they do not have to do work because they do not want to. But even better are the ones who have learned to game the "special needs" system or the ones who cling to mom and dad and rely on them to bail them out of their failing grades.

[...]

I think failure is the most important lesson that can come high school.

I agree that failure often teaches the most important lesson in life. Unfortunately, combining the 2 things you said above allows students to make it though high school without failing. Once they reach the real world and mom and dad stop bailing them out, they are often clueless and their failures becomes the responsibility of society.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Jan 22, 2009 8:22 pm


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 11126104)
P.S. - I am a micro economics person, macro was interesting but I focused more on the micro stuff. I loved managerial economics and the regression analysis math.

I took one look at the Micro/Macro and Biz Calculus courses during my Freshman semester and decided the B-School path wasn't for me. Switched to History and English Lit, then learned that those aren't really marketable degrees, and began a very roundabout journey towards getting licensed to practice law... somewhere. Hopefully just another couple years ought to do it. No need to hurry now, after a decade and staggering amounts of student loan debt. I'm halfway inclined to just become a Pirate Bartender and default on my debt. It would likely send greater shockwaves through the world financial markets than Iceland's default.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Jan 22, 2009 8:22 pm

26,000 - w00t!

Olton Hall Jan 22, 2009 8:24 pm


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 11126133)
26,000 - w00t!

Yea!

sfogate Jan 22, 2009 8:25 pm


Originally Posted by Olton Hall (Post 11126067)
I went to a public school system with the name Princeton in it. Extremely competitive academically back then. Real crap in sports. It was troubled kids that went to the private school instead of the smart ones.

I went to a private girl's school in Honolulu. Knew lots of kids that went to Punahou (Obama's alma mater) and I had a choice to attend it as well.

I'm not one for single sex schools but my high school was very different. We were held accountable for our actions and were treated as adults. We never got away with anything, as much as we tried.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Jan 22, 2009 8:26 pm


Originally Posted by sfogate (Post 11126144)
I went to a private girl's school in Honolulu.

Me too. Then I woke up. Then I cried.

Olton Hall Jan 22, 2009 8:26 pm


Originally Posted by sdm1130 (Post 11126128)
Once they reach the real world and mom and dad stop bailing them out, they are often clueless and their failures becomes the responsibility of society.

I'll take it you haven't heard all of the stories of college seniors and graduats these days who take their parents along with them on their job interviews. :eek:

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Jan 22, 2009 8:27 pm


Originally Posted by Olton Hall (Post 11126150)
I'll take it you haven't heard all of the stories of college seniors and graduats these days who take their parents along with them on their job interviews. :eek:

Good God. Please tell me you are joking.

sdm1130 Jan 22, 2009 8:28 pm


Originally Posted by Olton Hall (Post 11126150)
I'll take it you haven't heard all of the stories of college seniors and graduats these days who take their parents along with them on their job interviews. :eek:

Haha. I was trying to keep the definition of the time at which they reach the real world as vague as possible.

Mackieman Jan 22, 2009 8:28 pm


Originally Posted by sfogate (Post 11126144)
I went to a private girl's school in Honolulu. Knew lots of kids that went to Punahou (Obama's alma mater) and I had a choice to attend it as well.

I'm not one for single sex schools but my high school was very different. We were held accountable for our actions and were treated as adults. We never got away with anything, as much as we tried.

I went to private school for junior high and high school. We tried to get away with everything, and almost always did. I learned very little and had to learn core subjects once I got to my freshman year of college, which lasted a year and a half because of it. Private schools aren't bad by any means, just like public schools aren't great by default, but some active participation by parents wouldn't have hurt.

sfogate Jan 22, 2009 8:30 pm


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 11126149)
Me too. Then I woke up. Then I cried.

Might I remind you that you spent your Christmas vacation sitting in the shadow of my high school. All you had to do was walk up the hill towards Diamond Head and you would have been in heaven. Those girls would have loved you. :D

ConciergeMike Jan 22, 2009 8:30 pm


Originally Posted by sfogate (Post 11126040)
Very smart approach to life. I think everyone should know the basics of home repair, writing a check, understanding the stock market and cooking/cleaning.

PC POlice! You're saying Home Ec. is a good idea, and it "promotes bad steroetypes". :rolleyes:


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 11126054)
However, for general everyday life, I'm not so sure a class wouldn't just be a waste of time. If a person is already moving through his day-to-day life in an unethical manner, I doubt a class would have much of an impact.

Good point, but that would invalidate any "I used to be in prison..." success stories that are becoming kinda common.


Originally Posted by sdm1130 (Post 11126091)
Valid point. But, what about the students that grew up in dysfunctional families that were never taught the basics of making ethical decisions? Perhaps they could benefit from a class like this. You're right though, it may be a waste of time for some.

The problem here, though an excellent idea, is that schools will start to whine that they are being parents as well as educators. At some point the home has to be relied upon for the basics of surviving on the planet, but sadly there are plenty of places where said statement isn't true.

Olton Hall Jan 22, 2009 8:32 pm


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 11126153)
Good God. Please tell me you are joking.

I'm afraid not. I've heard it from several HR people. One I know says that if she learns that a parent is coming, she cancels the interview and the person is dropped from future consideration.

The term is called Helecopter Parents as they hoover over the kids all the time. It's a two way street. I know on family where the oldest kid went to college in a hard to get to place so the parents couldn't get to and now lives the far reaches of Brooklyn, just far enough away to be a hassel for visits. The younger kid let the parents control his life and he's just a mess.


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