BA & Dubai
Jan 6, 2021, 10:33 am
#481
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I guess it's fair to say from all the posts around this topic that, if you don't close your borders 'Australian' style for outward/ inward travel, the whole thing doesn't properly work.
Jan 6, 2021, 10:35 am
#482
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So clearly people travelling for leisure are actually cancelling - I'd imagine a lot of those left are just waiting to see if BA cancel the flight to consolidate to one flight a day again so they can get a refund rather than a voucher.
Jan 6, 2021, 10:41 am
#483
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My flight next week to DXB was almost full a few days ago. Today it has 8 CW Avios seats available and the seat map has emptied.
So clearly people travelling for leisure are actually cancelling - I'd imagine a lot of those left are just waiting to see if BA cancel the flight to consolidate to one flight a day again so they can get a refund rather than a voucher.
So clearly people travelling for leisure are actually cancelling - I'd imagine a lot of those left are just waiting to see if BA cancel the flight to consolidate to one flight a day again so they can get a refund rather than a voucher.
Jan 6, 2021, 10:51 am
#484
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I wouldn't be surprised to see it go to one flight, 5 days a week. Even 3 days a week.
Jan 6, 2021, 11:37 am
#485
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Thank you for this. Extremely helpful.
www.battleface.com
It's a specialty insurer covering countries under non-essential travel advisories. Target group are normally journalists, NGO workers and so on travelling to countries like Syria, Yemen, etc and they provide support in case of torture or blackmail, hijack, terrorism, wrongful detention, and all other things you might find at such destinations.
It covers of course also standard things like medical emergencies etc. Covid cover only if you are under 59 though.
It's a specialty insurer covering countries under non-essential travel advisories. Target group are normally journalists, NGO workers and so on travelling to countries like Syria, Yemen, etc and they provide support in case of torture or blackmail, hijack, terrorism, wrongful detention, and all other things you might find at such destinations.
It covers of course also standard things like medical emergencies etc. Covid cover only if you are under 59 though.
Jan 6, 2021, 12:07 pm
#486
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www.battleface.com
It's a specialty insurer covering countries under non-essential travel advisories. Target group are normally journalists, NGO workers and so on travelling to countries like Syria, Yemen, etc and they provide support in case of torture or blackmail, hijack, terrorism, wrongful detention, and all other things you might find at such destinations.
It covers of course also standard things like medical emergencies etc. Covid cover only if you are under 59 though.
It's a specialty insurer covering countries under non-essential travel advisories. Target group are normally journalists, NGO workers and so on travelling to countries like Syria, Yemen, etc and they provide support in case of torture or blackmail, hijack, terrorism, wrongful detention, and all other things you might find at such destinations.
It covers of course also standard things like medical emergencies etc. Covid cover only if you are under 59 though.
Jan 6, 2021, 1:25 pm
#487
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I’ll be amazed, they can’t put enough people to check incoming passengers but they have time for this. Border force doesn’t have any enforcement powers on essential travel within the UK either, it’s a police matter. Under what law were they offloading people onboard a plane since there is nothing in the SI actually outlawing travel abroad in England.
Anyway isn’t this thread about BA & Dubai not the legality of people allowed to travel or not for their job (perfectly legal) weather you value their work or not.
Anyway isn’t this thread about BA & Dubai not the legality of people allowed to travel or not for their job (perfectly legal) weather you value their work or not.
Not sure what legal jurisdiction UKBF have got to deny travel or can they get the police to enforce or if there’s any new powers under any of the Coronarvirus legislation but I think thE dayS of i intend to work when I’m there or I’m viewing a property are over.
Jan 6, 2021, 1:29 pm
#488
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Nonsense, border force are there to enforce immigration and customs resignations / laws ie Customs and Excise Acts
They aren’t there to enforce nor have any ability to enforce any other laws. There is no law against travelling out of the country that border force can enforce.
They aren’t there to enforce nor have any ability to enforce any other laws. There is no law against travelling out of the country that border force can enforce.
Jan 6, 2021, 1:48 pm
#489
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I’m not here trying promote people leaving England I’m just looking for useful info on going to Dubai at some point when the lockdown ends and debunking Misinformation if I see it on the way.
A couple of other blogs and Facebook groups reporting the same. The message from the government and police in the last 24 hours is clearly we are up the creek without a paddle and you’ve got to stay at home. It really should be essential reasons only for travelling eg why do you have to travel to Xxxx and why can’t you postpone the trip for 2-3 weeks or whatever.
Not sure what legal jurisdiction UKBF have got to deny travel or can they get the police to enforce or if there’s any new powers under any of the Coronarvirus legislation but I think thE dayS of i intend to work when I’m there or I’m viewing a property are over.
Not sure what legal jurisdiction UKBF have got to deny travel or can they get the police to enforce or if there’s any new powers under any of the Coronarvirus legislation but I think thE dayS of i intend to work when I’m there or I’m viewing a property are over.
There are no new powers for BF.
Last edited by TGLoyalty; Jan 6, 2021 at 1:59 pm
Jan 6, 2021, 2:10 pm
#490
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Agree police absolutely do. Let’s be honest they won’t be phoning every passenger with an outboard flight just like BF won’t.
I’m not here trying promote people leaving England I’m just looking for useful info on going to Dubai at some point and debunking Misinformation if I see it.
I’m not here trying promote people leaving England I’m just looking for useful info on going to Dubai at some point and debunking Misinformation if I see it.
There is no explicit restriction on flying, but clearly the reason for you leaving home, going to the airport, and travelling must be all on the basis of a reasonable excuse. Some of the reasonable excuses are not explicitly limited by distance, but may be limited implicitly, so for example going out to get food is fine but claiming you are flying to Dubai to buy food clearly wouldn't be.
Work is one reason that you can leave home. Leaving home for the purposes of work where it is not reasonably possible for you to work or to provide services from home is fine, and if that legitimately involves you having to fly to Dubai or somewhere else I can't see that being in breach of the rules.
It is clear that leaving home to go on holiday, whether within England or abroad, would not be a reasonable excuse. Police have powers to stop you at any part of that journey once you leave home and in the airport, and they can direct you to return to your home if they believe you are outside of your home without a reasonable excuse. They can issue fixed penalty notices too. Airports are in particular one place with a fairly high concentration of police so being questioned if you are arriving at an airport at the moment should not be surprising.
I don't wish to interrogate you or anyone else on here about your purpose for potentially going to Dubai, but I hope the above helps clarify whether your trip may be allowable or not
Last edited by KARFA; Jan 6, 2021 at 2:36 pm Reason: typos
Jan 6, 2021, 2:41 pm
#491
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Seriously amusing that so many people think what anyone else is doing is any of their business,
Do people honestly have such little going on in their own lives or such a disdain for privacy?
We all need to follow the rules, but what exactly gives YOU the right to know what anyone else is doing?
An invasion of privacy is far more serious than someone taking a flight for legitimate reasons.
We have come to such an ugly place.
Do people honestly have such little going on in their own lives or such a disdain for privacy?
We all need to follow the rules, but what exactly gives YOU the right to know what anyone else is doing?
An invasion of privacy is far more serious than someone taking a flight for legitimate reasons.
We have come to such an ugly place.
If they didn't keep posting it on social media most people wouldn't know they were there. But if its not on social media then they are not "working"
Jan 6, 2021, 4:25 pm
#492
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I’m sure there’s a certain irony between a “disdain for privacy” or the “invasion of privacy” and posting lots of your current status and whereabouts on social media...
Jan 6, 2021, 9:31 pm
#494
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Yes, I have been out of the UK since Sept 1st so this does not apply to me (but is certainly worth pointing out for others)