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This community maintained wiki lists out all known airports on the BA network grading each airport in terms of its practical suitability for quick flight transfers. Three transfer categories are considered (and indicated as traffic lights from left to right in the following order)

Back to back: Immediate turnarounds without checked baggage, with an airside transfer and flying out on the same aircraft that operated the inbound flight
Transfer: Immediate turnarounds without checked baggage, with an airside transfer and flying out on a different aircraft (or airline) to the one that operated the inbound flight
Landside: Full arrival and departure sequence. It is assumed check-in for the onward flight is processed prior to the arrival at the airport.

Grading:
Excellent generally means you will leave the aircraft and find yourself in the boarding area for departure.
Good suggests that you may have to clear either security and/or passports before reboarding, but it should still be possible.
Reasonable: suggests possible but with risks attached
Poor: high risk and not advisable
Ungraded

Two caveats:
A) Sometimes things don't go to plan. E.g. EDI sometimes uses buses, which puts passengers landside and thus needing to reclear security. Ditto HAM.
B) The above needs to be combined with the turnaround time. MXP often has a generous back-to-back time, for example.


ABZ:
Back to back: Excellent; Transfer: Excellent if domestic, otherwise Reasonable; Landside: Reasonable. Arrivals decant into departure hall

ACE:
Back to back: Reasonable (if off season, there is a transfer channel just before passports); Transfer: Reasonable; Landside: Reasonable

AGP:
Back to back: Excellent for Schengen, Risky if not. Schengen - immediate turnaround possible at gate area. Non-Schengen - there is a transit passageway back to airside on the left after passports, but there can be long delays at passports, achievable if you are willing to politely push in the queue. see here.

ALC:
Back to back: Reasonable if off season, but you do need to go fully airside if non Schengen. Small and efficient airport. Peak time: see here

ALG:
Back to back: Impractical due to visa and immigration processes.

AMS:
Back to back: Excellent; Transfer: Excellent; Landside: Poor. Arrivals decant into departure hall normally

ANE:
Back to back: Good - very small airport, tarmac walk. You may want to telephone the airport to let them know since there's no OLCI facility.

ARN:
Back to back: Excellent; Transfer: Good; Landside: Reasonable (arriving pax should watch for sign to gates 70-82) * see posts 593, 238 & 1298 for more details. Post 174 is a pictorial guide.

ATH:
Back to back: Reasonable but don't hang about, you need to enter Schengen immigration, then leave Schengen, and a fairly efficient security check. Distances aren't great.

BCN:
Back to back: Good to excellent (bit of a walk, small flight connection facility to the left of passport control, dedicated security but no passports; Transfer: Good (if non-Schengen), Reasonable (if Schengen); Landside: Reasonable

BEG:
Back to back: Good; Transfer: Good: Landside: Good. There is a transfer route, at the end of the long corridor used by arriving passengers. BA does OLCI and App boarding passes. Just a bit of a hike.

BER:
Back to back: Good; Transfer: Good: Landside: Reasonable to Poor. Not much transfer traffic here so no queues for transit security when doing B2B - bit of a walk though. Note you can't access the lounge if doing B2B.

BGY:
Back to back: Reasonable to Poor; Transfer: Reasonable to Poor: Landside: Reasonable to Poor. More details, click here.

BHD:
Back to back: Excellent (use stairs upwards between gates 5 and 6, against flow); Transfer: Excellent if domestic, otherwise Reasonable; Landside: Reasonable

BIO:
Back to back: Reasonable, does involve going landside but small airport, airbridge rather than bus; Transfer: Reasonable; Landside: Reasonable

BIQ:
Back to back: Reasonable, involves going through passports to landside, security and passports again, but you need to be off early since passport checks are thorough.

BJV:
Back to back: Not really feasible, there is no online check-in or App facility, you must check in at the gate. More details click here.

BOD:
Back to back: Reasonable but does involve going landside and back again. However it's a small airport and efficient.

BLL:
Back to back: Good (there is a clear transfer route after passport control to avoid a security check; Transfer: Good; Landside: Good

BLQ:
Back to back: Good (small airport but you have to go landside); Transfer: Reasonable; Landside: Reasonable (bus gates)

BRI:
Back to back: Good (small airport but you have to go landside); Transfer: Reasonable; Landside: Reasonable

BSL:
Back to back:: Good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Good (Bit of a walk to landside, but it's not a huge airport. See this post for info)

BRU:
Back to back: Excellent on the transfer route, reasonable if not; Transfer: Reasonable; Landside: Poor (see comments in post #246 , also 64 onwards)

BUD:
Back to back: Good. Airside transfer with quiet security channel (might need to ask staff to open it for you). More details here: BUD Back-to-back?

CAG:
Back to back: Reasonable, does involve going landside but small airport, airbridge rather than bus; Transfer: Reasonable; Landside: Reasonable

CDG: ☻ ☻ ☻
Back to back: Terminal 2A closed from Jan 2023 and BA now at 2D (confusingly 2B is closed but flights still go from the B gates - check in is in 2D). No airside transfer so out through immigration (long queue if on UK passport) and back in again through security (long queue unless you have fast track). Then immigration again. Sometimes busses from/to a remote stand can make it even worse.

CFU:
Back to back: Near impossible, no OLCI, you must present yourself at check-in. Process involves bus, passports, out to landside, short walk to departures building on right, security and bus. Security is bad on peak days

CGN:
Back to back: No OLCI, but on some dates it is still possible. See this post for details.

CHQ:
Back to back: Near impossible despite being a small airport, no OLCI so you can only get a boarding pass at the airport, and bus to and from gates

CMB:
Back to back: Excellent. Easy to do airside. Arriving and departing pax are not segregated. If you have your return boarding pass, just walk directly from arrival gate to departure gate.

CMF:
Back to back: Generally Good, involves going landside. Best avoid Saturdays, the main changeover day, when security is stretched.

CPH:
Back to back: Excellent; Transfer: Good; Landside: Reasonable. Arrivals decant into departure hall

CTA:
Back to back: Reasonable, there is a transfer route signed but seems obsolete. However small and efficient airport so still do-able if going via landside

DBV:
Back to back: Impractical. There's no online check in so you have to go landside and collect a boarding pass. Otherwise a very small airport

DUB:
Back to back: Reasonable if arriving on BA, Good if arriving on EI departing on BA, Excellent if arriving and departing on EI. Transfer: Excellent if arriving and departing on EI, otherwise Good. Landside: Reasonable. BA arrives into terminal 1, there is no transfer route and you will have to clear passports and security. There can be a lot of walking and a back to back BA to BA is quite risky without Fast Track. If your arriving flight is EI metal it will land at terminal 2 and you will usually go through a dedicated (and dead) passport check and no security. The terminals are connected airside. See this post for a slightly dated photo guide.

DUS:
Back to back: Excellent; Transfer: Excellent if non-Schengen, Good if Schengen; Landside: Good. Arrivals decant into departure gate, though risk of bus to baggage hall

EDI:
Back to back: Excellent; Transfer: Excellent if domestic, otherwise Reasonable to Poor; Landside: Reasonable to Poor. Arrivals decant into departure hall normally, risk of bus to baggage hall

EFL:
Back to back: High risk on a Tuesday as only one flight, passport control is slow and turnaround time is approximately 50 minutes. OLCI is possible. Saturdays are possible if arriving on the early flight and leaving on the later flight. New terminal building is complete and fully operational, no buses involved, walk to terminal. Leave baggage hall via stairs, after the exit turn right and walk back towards check-in. Security is between arrivals and check-in. Exit the building and walk up the hill to Icarus for a coffee or snack or indeed a swim between flights. No lounge. UK flights now seem to be leaving from gates 1 & 2 which requires re-clearance of passport control after security. Only a vending machine and bare bones duty free shop.

EGC:
Back to back: Impractical. Bergerac has its own check-in system and is currently not on App/OLCI, so boarding passes must be obtained in person, no later than 45 minutes before departure

EXT:
Back to back: Not possible. Airport check-in only (check-in can't be done elsewhere due to FLY not being implemented). No airside transfer either.

FCO:
Back to back: Reasonable (return shuttle to main terminal); Transfer: Reasonable; Landside: Reasonable (Possibly excellent as of Jul 22 - see post #1092)

FDH:
Back to back: Impractical due to delays during ski season - see here.

FLR:
Back to back: Poor due to use of bus transfers and airport layout; Transfer: Poor (no transfer track}; Landside: Reasonable

FNC:
Back to back: Reasonable due to small airport. You do need to go landside and return to airside. Bus from aircraft, passports, security, passports, walk to aircraft. Note: high risk of weather related diversions.

FRA:
Back to back: Reasonable to Poor; Transfer: Poor (particularly if coming off Schengen); Landside: Reasonable

FSC:
Back to back: Uncertain - if boarding passes can be issued in advance then it will be an easy landside transfer in a tiny airport. If boarding passes can only be collected in FSC then it's impossible.

FUE:
Back to back: Reasonable if out of the peak season, airbridges used. Have to go via passports landside and security, behind check in. Try Canaries+Families security if desperate.

GCI:
Back to back: Infeasible. There is no online or App check in, check-in can't be done in LCY or elsewhere due to FLY not implemented in Guernsey. No airside transfer either.

GIB:
Back to back: Good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Good. Must go landside, bearing right and back up through security. Turnaround can be long. Leave the aircraft early so as to beat the queue at passport arrivals.

GLA:
Back to back: Excellent; Transfer: Excellent if domestic, otherwise Reasonable; Landside: Reasonable. Arrivals decant into departure hall normally.

GNB:
Back to back: Good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Good: Walk to/from aircraft. Must go landside, outside and right back into departures. Long turnaround times make this feasible though Saturdays busy.

GOA:
Back to back: Reasonable; Transfer: Reasonable; Landside: Reasonable

GOT:
Back to back: Excellent; Transfer: Excellent; Landside: Excellent. Borderline foolproof. Arrivals decant into departure hall.

GVA:
Back to back: Excellent; Transfer: Good; Landside: Good (but can be poor during ski season). Turn left in arrival lane to go back up to departures area.

HAJ:
Back to back: Excellent; Transfer: Excellent if non-Schengen, Good if Schengen; Landside: Good. Arrivals decant into departure gate. See posts 1670 and 1671 below.

HAM:
Back to back: Very Good to Excellent - transfer security check (not busy, before immigration) then immediately back into the departures area; Transfer: Excellent if non-Schengen, Good if Schengen; Landside: Reasonable. Arrivals and departures are now separated, and very occasionally bus to baggage hall.

HEL:
Back to back: Good: Transfer: Good; Landside: Reasonable. Incoming passengers can reverse direction just before Schengen passports. If a bus from gate, you will need to rush.

HER:
Back to back: Infeasible. There is no online or App check in, it's a bus transfer and arrivals / departures are in separate buildings.

INN:
Back to back: Good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Good. You have to go landside, and there is a bus transfer to/from the aircraft, but the airport is very small and highly efficient.

INV:
Back to back: Good to Excellent; Transfer: Good; Landside: Good. You have to go landside and through security. See here for more info.

IOM:
Back to back: Good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Good (no flight connections but small airport)

IST:
Back to back: Good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Poor ( Would lose 15-20 minutes if lanside option is preferred )

JER:
Back to back: Excellent; Transfer: Excellent if domestic, otherwise Good; Landside: Good. Arrivals decant into departure hall, sometimes you need to double back to the BA lounge.

JMK:
Back to back: Nearly impossible due to clunky arrival processing and use of buses.

JTR:
Back to back: Impossible: bus transfer, slow passports.

KEF:
Back to back: Excellent; Transfer: Excellent if non Schengen, Good otherwise; Landside: Good. BA flights tip arriving passengers into the departure gate. Foolproof. NB LCY flights pax use a bus from a remote stand, still easy as dropped off less than 100M from the departure gate.

KLX:
Back to back: Moderately risky due to boarding passes only being issued at check-in. No buses used normally, walk off plane straight into very small building.

KRK:
Back to back: Nearly impossible due to clunky arrival processing and use of buses.

LBA:
Back to back: Good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Good. Have to go landside for any connection or b2b but small airport, see here for further details

LCA:
Back to back: Good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Reasonable. There is a "Connecting Flights" channel on the left of the arrivals corridor, half way along, well before passports.

LEI:
Back to back: Moderate to risky: you have to go via landside, and you need the return boarding pass before travel. But it's a small and efficient airport. No buses are used, it's similar to LCY in operation.

LHR T3:
Back to back: Good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Reasonable. Follow connecting flights route, which can be as quick as 11 mins from disembark to through security. No conformance unlike T5. see here.

LIG:
Back to back: Good to Excellent; Transfer: Good; Landside: Reasonable. See this post for more information

LIS:
Back to back: Good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Reasonable. There is a security check to the right, immediately before and avoiding the passport desks. Risk of bus gates, but still OK.

LIN:
Back to back: Not a good place due to bus transfer and needing to go fully landside; Transfer: Good; Landside: Reasonable to Poor (bus gates)

LPA:
Back to back: Possibly OK if off peak. Some flights are bus gates, but it's a relatively small and efficient airport. OLCI and App check in both work.

LUX:
Back to back: Very Good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Good. Landside route is described here: Airside transfer door described here.

MAD T4:
Back to back: Very good; Transfer: Good to Reasonable depending on arriving terminal. Landside: Reasonable See this post for full details.

MAH:
Back to back: Good to excellent, see post number 563.

MAN:
Back to back: Reasonable to Poor; Transfer: Reasonable to Poor: Landside: Reasonable to Poor

MCT:
Back to back: Excellent - direct transfer route

MJV:
Back to back: Good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Good provided you avoid a peak time More information here. (Murcia San Javier airport closed in Jan 2019 and was replaced by RMU)

MLA:
Back to back: Good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Good. See this post and linked blog for details.

MRS:
Back to back: Good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Good. There is a transfer and security point just before going down to passports. Use the phone on the post to ask for it to be opened it for you; however, there is no guarantee that it will and you may have to exit to landside and re-enter through departures security.

MUC:
Back to back: Very good; Transfer: Good but note 2 terminals; Landside: Good. Transfer point after passport, details in this post

MXP:
Back to back: Good (bit of walk to Transfer facility); Transfer: Good; Landside: Good. Thread links here.

NCE:
Back to back: Reasonable; Transfer: Poor; Landside: Good. There is a direct transfer route by turning into the door way on the right before the slope up to passports

NCL:
Back to back: Excellent; Transfer: Excellent if domestic, otherwise Good; Landside: Good. Arrivals decant into departure hall.

NQY:
Back to back: Good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Good (no flight connections but small airport). See post 475 for more information.

NTE:
Back to back: Good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Good. see this post.

NUE:
Back to back: Impractical unfortunately due to no OLCI, all check in done at the airport

OLB:
Back to back: Excellent; Transfer: Excellent; Landside: Excellent. Arriving into Olbia is via jetty to the departure gate, no passports or security. Note no OLCI via the App, more info here.

ORK:
Back to back: Good, do need to clear passports and security but very small and efficient airport.

ORY:
Back to back: Not recommended due to fast turnarounds on LCY services. You have to go fully landside and back in again, via 2 passport checks and a security check.

OPO:
Back to back: Excellent (Look for grey escalator going up); Transfer: Good (reasonable if Schengen); Landside: Reasonable

OTP:
Back to back: Good as at April 2019. Poor as of 29 Dec 18; Transfer: Excellent (See post #1919); Landside: Good to Reasonable. Arrival experience and speed of transit depends on arrival gate. On some arrivals, there is a Connection facility on the right at Passport Control after leaving aircraft although sometimes it is up some stairs and on the left. If this is the case, you need to go to the top of the stairs to see a passport official / go to passport desk (to explain you have arrived from London and are going straight back to London - likely resulting in a confused look on the officer's face) before returning half way down the stairs to go through security.

OSL:
Back to back: Good on the whole; Transfer: Reasonable; Landside: Reasonable. (See experiences in this post, this post, this post and this post.)

OVD:
Back to back: Not really suitable. This is really an Iberia Express route but leaves T5 under BA code. The aircraft is based in OVD not LHR. Small efficient airport though.

PFO:
Back to back: Good on the whole, but you do need to go landside. However it is a small airport. May not be so good on a busy Saturday during school holidays. Note bus transfers however.

PMO:
Airport is currently being rebuilt. Once completed potentially a good option due to airbridge. Departure security is two floors above arrivals (use lift)

PMI:
Back to back: Excellent; Transfer: Excellent; Landside: Excellent. Borderline foolproof - you are landed direct into boarding area

PRG:
Back to back: Excellent; Transfer: Ungraded; Landside: Ungraded. For back-to-back the LHR-PRG arrival dumps you right into the main corridor of that pier; walk 100 ft. to security check for the BA boarding lounge and you'll be good to go.

PRN:
Back to back: Possible but not recommended, see post 557.

PSA:
Back to back: Reasonable; Transfer: Reasonable; Landside: Reasonable (not the best location since there are a lot of LCC and you have to reclear security from landside). (August 2018 review and comment)

PUY:
Back to back: Unrealistic, due to the bus transfer process followed by passport control.

RAK:
Back to back: Terrible; Transfer: Ungraded; Landside: Ungraded. See post #1353 below

RHO:
Back to back: Infeasible - no OLCI or App check in, bus transfers from gates. Also airport very busy on Saturday PM and Sunday AM.

RTM:
Back to back: Good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Good (Reasonable during morning/evening peaks)

SEZ:
Back to back: Excellent. Use the Transit desk at the right side of the immigration hall, opposite end to passport control, see this post.

SKG:
Back to back: Reasonable; Transfer: Reasonable; Landside: Reasonable. Note bus transfers on apron.

SOF:
Back to back: Excellent; Transfer: Excellent; Landside: Reasonable. Arrivals decant into departure area.

SPU:
Back to back: Reasonable but there is a bus transfer and then landside; Transfer: Reasonable but transfer routes seems to be from Star Alliance; Landside: Reasonable

STR:
Back to back: Reasonable (stairs from baggage hall back to security. Can't avoid security/passports); Transfer: Reasonable; Landside: Reasonable. Report here.

SVG:
Back to back: Excellent; Transfer: Excellent; Landside: Excellent. Borderline foolproof, though only restricted number of flights

SVQ:
Back to back: Reasonable but need to exit landside and go up through departures, security. and passports is by the gate. Compact airport, fast security even if queuing.

SZG:
Back to back: Reasonable; Transfer: Reasonable; Landside: Reasonable. No transfer channel and note bus transfers, but small airport.

TFS:
Back to back: Reasonable but in all cases involves going landside. May be tricky to reclear security in peak holiday season.

TIA:
Back to back: Probably impractical. There is a bus transfer process and passport checks/stamps takes a while (Albania isn't in the EU).

TLL:
Back to back: Very good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Reasonable. see this post.

TLV:
Back to back: At your own risk. There is a transfer route with security on the way to passport control just after the rotunda.

TNG:
Back to back: No transfer or B2B route. Have to pass immigration, customs and security again. Airport is tiny (think 10 flights a day) and B2B is perfectly doable provided no problems at immigration.

TRN:
Back to back: Reasonable to Good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Reasonable. No short cuts to avoid going landside via passports x2 and security, apart from Fast Track security, but a small and efficient airport.

TXL:
Back to back: Good (security takes place in limited area by arriving gate); Transfer: Good; Landside: Good. Security is at gates, if using A gates. NB: Currently, this usually includes LCY flights, which now mostly use A gates like LHR flights. TXL Closed in November 2020, replaced by BER.

UIP:
Back to back: Good - very small airport, tarmac walk.

VCE:
Back to back: Very good; Transfer: Good at off-peak times; Landside: Reasonable. See this post for details

VIE:
Back to back: Excellent (BEWARE: see here); Transfer: Good; Landside: Reasonable

VLC:
Back to back: Good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Reasonable. There's no transfer route so you have to go via landside. Departures is straight up from the arrival point. Disagree with the previous two sentences. For me, a direct turnaround from gates 12-14 was possible without going landside. Took less than a minute.

VNO:
Back to back: Excellent; Transfer: Good; Landside: Reasonable. Arriving passengers enter departing passenger area. [BA have codeshare and also has TP Run options via AY]

VRN:
Back to back: Good; Transfer: Good; Landside: Reasonable. There's no transfer route so you have to go landside but it's a very small airport and there is Fast Track.

WAW:
Back to back: Good (small connection facility on left after airbridge); Transfer: Good; Landside: Reasonable

ZAG:
Back to back: Good (must re-clear security--this is effectively an international transfer); Transfer: Good (must re-clear security [there are separate transfers for international to international near east end of a/p and international to domestic with passport control near west end of a/p] but airport is small); Landside: Reasonable (must clear passport control, go downstairs through baggage claim to exit, outside and upstairs to check-in, upstairs again to the top floor for security and passport control and then back downstairs to the gate level.

ZRH:
Back to back: Generally good but see this post and the replies for more information.

ZTH:
Back to back: Infeasible due to buses and no online check-in possibilities. Somewhat unfortunate given the small airport. No transfer route, you must enter Schengen and go to landside.
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Old Nov 19, 2021, 2:34 am
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Any recent experiences at CDG? The wiki just says hopeless, should I just book an AF flight out and have about 2 hours at CDG? TIA.
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Cdg was poor prior to brexit and COVID, so with those two now thrown in I would suggest it is downgraded to suicidal for a b2b
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Originally Posted by Bluekjp
Yes you can enter for any reason. You must carry a vax certificate, negative PCR within 72 hours of ‘arrival’ and the Bulgarian paper PLF. I’m doing a B2B this weekend and will report back. The turnaround time is 65 minutes here rather than the usual 50 for most A320 European destinations.
How does the PCR work? If you're leaving within an hour?
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Old Nov 19, 2021, 5:31 am
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How does the PCR work? If you're leaving within an hour?
That's what interests me the most.

I originally had SOF-LHR-JFK etc. booked for next month. BA cancelled a load of SOF flights, so the day / overnight I had in SOF is now a back-to-back. Easy enough to get the lateral flow for the US (I hope).
Just had Covid, so doubt whether a PCR test would yield a negative result that Bulgaria seems to want.
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How does the PCR work? If you're leaving within an hour?
Surely it means within 72 hrs (before) arrival into Bulgaria?
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Old Nov 19, 2021, 6:20 am
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Originally Posted by vintagepilot
Surely it means within 72 hrs (before) arrival into Bulgaria?
The argument is that you're technically not entering Bulgaria. You're remaining airside and leaving shortly after without passing through any immigration / border. The UK Gov website seems to give the impression that "transit" doesn't need a PCR test.
Whether BA at LHR see things that way, I don't know. Or if Verify works with a lateral flow at the very least.
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Old Nov 21, 2021, 4:17 am
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Am onboard the return B2B leg SOF/LHR today and confirm that things are back to normal with arrival emptying straight into the departure gate.

I Couldn't OLCI for the inbound despite completing Verifly in good time yesterday. At the First Class check-in at T3 the clerk steadfastly refused to give me a boarding card. I advised that I wouldn't have time to go airside in SOF but he wouldn't budge, citing that SOF had to verify my documents. I showed him Verifly but he wasn't interested. Eventually a more experienced clerk from the adjacent CW desk told him to issue it, to which he snapped 'I hope this isn't going to come back on me'. I got the boarding pass and so all was well.
It's a beautiful day at both ends, the crew are lovely and even playing Dvorak's Serenade for Strings boarding music at both ends. It's the first time I've heard it in 40 flights since April, so really getting back to normal 🙂​​​​​​
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Originally Posted by Bluekjp
Am onboard the return B2B leg SOF/LHR today and confirm that things are back to normal with arrival emptying straight into the departure gate.

I Couldn't OLCI for the inbound despite completing Verifly in good time yesterday. At the First Class check-in at T3 the clerk steadfastly refused to give me a boarding card. I advised that I wouldn't have time to go airside in SOF but he wouldn't budge, citing that SOF had to verify my documents. I showed him Verifly but he wasn't interested. Eventually a more experienced clerk from the adjacent CW desk told him to issue it, to which he snapped 'I hope this isn't going to come back on me'. I got the boarding pass and so all was well.
It's a beautiful day at both ends, the crew are lovely and even playing Dvorak's Serenade for Strings boarding music at both ends. It's the first time I've heard it in 40 flights since April, so really getting back to normal 🙂​​​​​​
They have been told not to do remote doc checks and issue bps from outstations. He wasn't being difficult for the sake of it - and I would be the first to criticise if I thought he was.

For a b2b you need to hope verifly works.
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They have been told not to do remote doc checks and issue bps from outstations. He wasn't being difficult for the sake of it - and I would be the first to criticise if I thought he was.

For a b2b you need to hope verifly works.
Your information here KARFA now throws all B2B's into serious jeopardy. If we must 'hope' that Verifly works no-one can be certain until the day before travel or even on the day whether they are going to be able to obtain the inbound boarding pass if airport staff at out-stations, in this case LHR, are told not to issue the passes. This has serious ramifications for travellers on ex EU itineraries who often choose to go out on the same plane on a separate ticket as I indeed have for April 22.

WIth regards to my initial refusal of an inbound boarding card yesterday I felt that the check-in agent was inexperienced and perplexed even though they'd put him on F check-in. He had the air of someone scratching his head as to why I would be asking for a boarding pass for a flight to London leaving in around 4 hour's time and he didn't like it. Thankfully after about 5 minutes the adjacent CW agent said to him that it would be ok issue the pass so it was then that my blood pressure went back to normal.

Based on your comments I'm an now considering amending my AMS/LHR B2B which sets me up for an ex EU ticket AMS/LHR/CHI etc. particularly as I've got friends joining me, so thanks for bringing this to our attention.

Needless to say most of us have picked up inbound boarding cards with ease at LHR recently as I have done when OLCI hasn't been available, but your intelligence now puts doubt into every B2B.
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Old Nov 22, 2021, 12:57 am
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Originally Posted by KARFA
They have been told not to do remote doc checks and issue bps from outstations. He wasn't being difficult for the sake of it - and I would be the first to criticise if I thought he was.

For a b2b you need to hope verifly works.
Yeap. With local restrictions and arrival/departure procedures that could change from day to day ..... planning for even a regular trip can be a headache.
Travelling on a B2B or even a two-ticket trip these days has the potential to create a pain the pocket as well as elsewhere in the anatomy.

A locally applied compliance stamp on a physical boarding card could always trump those Verifly hopes.
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Yes, sorry I didn't want to completely put you off doing a b2b or an exEU b2b. In many cases verifly works and you can get the return bp yourself - many people have managed to do it for the A380 FRA and MAD b2bs.

However, it is a risk you need to think about. In some cases if it isn't working you may be able to persuade the ba agent at LHR to do it, but they may refuse. For exEUs now there is also the additional risk of changing entry requirements at the starting point which could mean that doing a b2b is difficult or even impossible - bear in mind when you are doing your outbound positioning BA will want you to meet the arrival criteria for your starting point since your return is on a separate ticket or as a b2b is not considered a transit from their pov.
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Old Nov 23, 2021, 1:28 am
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Cdg was poor prior to brexit and COVID, so with those two now thrown in I would suggest it is downgraded to suicidal for a b2b
I'm going to take one for the team here and try it in early December. Not because I've deliberately chosen it, but because with various flight cancellations and schedule changes I now end up arriving into CDG at 17:40 and departing - hopefully - at 18:30. The original intention was to have 4-6 hours but hey-ho. Note that I'm doing LHR-CDG as the end sector of my CDG-LHR-DXB-LHR-CDG journey, so I'm not risking an itinerary if I miss the inbound.

I'll be leaving my rucksack at Heathrow so will be just decanting wallet, keys, belt, phone at CDG. From the Paris airport websites it suggests a yellow signed 'transfers' route which I read will just be a security check. I'm seated in 1C both ways so *hopefully* set myself up with the best chance.

The vagaries as I've read it are long queues outside of our control.

The outbound LHR-CDG and the inbound look busy - coming back is just J2 Y2 with all the rest zeroed out - so may be a help.....

I'm heartened to read CWS's experience from last year, but yes I'm going to be braced for a potentially 'exciting' experience. I'll be reporting back after

It's just a security check on the transfer route, you don't enter Schengen. There are a few comments upthread and in the old thread about Roissy. When "hopeless" was written CDG was going through quite big rebuilding work and there were local factors (after some bad terrorism events) which meant the transfer process was quite tricky and slow. Now that 2A has settled down, it's quite a small terminal with relatively short distances by Paris standards, then off peak I imagine the transfer for security control - which is every bit as thorough as the UK - will be fairly easy. The gates used by BA are usually the first pair left or right from the shopping area rather than those gates at the far end furthest away of the wings. I visited CDG a few weeks ago and while not transferring I went from the TGV station to the CX lounge in 8 minutes, which would be unimaginable only a few years ago. If you are doing this on school holidays or some other peak day I don't think I'd be comfortable recommending it, but equally off peak I can see that it will be straightforward. I would suggest NCE or LYS would be better and however you look at it, it's not in the AMS/CPH/FCO category.
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Originally Posted by KARFA
They have been told not to do remote doc checks and issue bps from outstations. He wasn't being difficult for the sake of it - and I would be the first to criticise if I thought he was.

For a b2b you need to hope verifly works.
I assume SOF could do things at the gate?

Have we found out what test is required (or accepted) for a back-to-back?
I'm doing one next week (after BA cancellations and rebooking) and have a PCR already booked for the day before. Contemplating doing an allergen test as well and seeing if Verifly will accept that if no-one has tried yet.
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Having been through OSL last week I’d say a B2B is too risky. The first thing you come to having alighted is a sifting system that sends Norwegians and EU passport holders into a Covid pass check done by the army and non EU residents into the border check done by border officials (who also check your Covid pass if you’re from the U.K.). That triage process causes a queue just to get to the border, which wasn’t there pre-Covid.

I was first off my plane and it took me about 20 minutes to get to the booth at which I was processed. That 20 minutes extra time means the B2B is dicey IMO.

Also, I didn’t enquire as to the status of the airside transfer but given the thorough checks on people’s Covid paperwork when coming back to the U.K. I’d be surprised if transferring was simple.
Another visit to Norway this weekend, another data point. The rules meaning that a Norwegian Passenger Locator Form is now required meant the queue for immigration was longer than last time. There’s still no sign of a non-shengen transfer lane (although I didn’t ask).

I can’t see Oslo being suitable for a B2B for quite some time to come.
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My back-to-back LHR-SOF / SOF-LHR-JFK tomorrow.

Took a PCR test with Randox at the Radisson Edwardian around 7:33am. Negative result about 4hrs later (same day test).
Also did a lateral flow with Collison at St. Pancras. Negative result about 20 mins later.

PLF to the UK is a faff. Took a screenshot of the one vaccination barcode it wanted (pdf from the NHS app was apparently too small as well). Having to flight numbers and times too.

Verifly dealt with the SOF-LHR flight and a separate LHR-JFK flight. Checked in fine and boarding passes issued.

​LHR-SOF won't finalise as they want to see my passport etc. Can't check-in (does mention in verifly that transit requires no test result). At least that's here in T3, so hopefully straightforward.
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