Amex & BA Master Thread
Dec 22, 2011, 6:21 am
#1306
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Wellington, NZ
Programs: NZ *Gold
Posts: 1,371
I read this on PTS:
"paypal - link your amex card - send money to your other half or anyone else you trust to give you the money back. On paypal you can send money to people for any reason - not just purchases. this costs you 3.4% so £34 for every £1000 you put through - or £340 for an entire £10k through - of course you get 15k miles for this".
Is this a legitimate way of generating 'spend'? I have not checked the Paypal T&Cs yet. I'm not sure at what point it becomes money laundering!
Has anyone any experience of this? I would not expect to shove the whole £10k through Paypal but it could be useful if I am still a few thousand short as I approach the end of the year. Thanks.
"paypal - link your amex card - send money to your other half or anyone else you trust to give you the money back. On paypal you can send money to people for any reason - not just purchases. this costs you 3.4% so £34 for every £1000 you put through - or £340 for an entire £10k through - of course you get 15k miles for this".
Is this a legitimate way of generating 'spend'? I have not checked the Paypal T&Cs yet. I'm not sure at what point it becomes money laundering!
Has anyone any experience of this? I would not expect to shove the whole £10k through Paypal but it could be useful if I am still a few thousand short as I approach the end of the year. Thanks.
So, expanding this analogy I could send her the Paypal payment and technically she could give me the money straight back. If you did something similar for all of your £10k spend it would cost £340 to get your 241, plus you would accumulate another 15k miles.
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Dec 22, 2011, 6:31 am
#1307
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My daughter's landlord does not accept AMEX, so I Paypal her the money (I stump up the 3.4%) and she pays her landlord via standing order. If I want to trigger the 241 early in my year I might also send her monthly subsistence allowance the same way. Perfectly legitimate, and Paypal would have no idea what she was spending the money on.
So, expanding this analogy I could send her the Paypal payment and technically she could give me the money straight back. If you did something similar for all of your £10k spend it would cost £340 to get your 241, plus you would accumulate another 15k miles.
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So, expanding this analogy I could send her the Paypal payment and technically she could give me the money straight back. If you did something similar for all of your £10k spend it would cost £340 to get your 241, plus you would accumulate another 15k miles.
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Dec 22, 2011, 6:42 am
#1308
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Shropshire
Programs: BA Silver, IHG Spire Ambassador, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 407
it's not money laundering - it is called "cash advancing" ie. in effect you are creating a cash withdrawal sourced from a credit card at the card purchase rate and inappropriately subject to the protection aspects of the card.
It is documented as being against the t's and c's of both paypal and amex.
Transferring money for a legitimate reason sush as paying rent as detailed below will be entirely ok.
Sending money knowing it's going to swing back to you in your pocket or bank account is against the rules, although I don't see how they would actually know.
It is documented as being against the t's and c's of both paypal and amex.
Transferring money for a legitimate reason sush as paying rent as detailed below will be entirely ok.
Sending money knowing it's going to swing back to you in your pocket or bank account is against the rules, although I don't see how they would actually know.
Dec 22, 2011, 8:08 am
#1309
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: London
Posts: 3,459
quick call to amex confirmed what others have already said - if i upgrade i will only need another 2k to hit the voucher. thanks for all the answers.
to add in response to the above post - any transaction involving fx is an fx transaction by my eyes. i trade it for a living so i'd hope i have half an idea what I'm talking about there...
to add in response to the above post - any transaction involving fx is an fx transaction by my eyes. i trade it for a living so i'd hope i have half an idea what I'm talking about there...
Dec 22, 2011, 8:15 am
#1310
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: London
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Paypal will close your account and freeze your cash. They love doing it, don't think they don't.
I assume you saw the press story last week, for eg, of a woman who had her account frozen with a lot of money in it, because she had been collecting charity donations via a personal paypal account.
Basically, Paypal is not stupid. They know that, in normal circumstances, only an idiot would pay the 3% fee to send a large sum of money from Person A to Person B when they could post a cheque for 41p. Their default position on all such transactions is therefore to be suspicious. Rememher that, should money laundering be found to be taking place via Paypal, Paypal will be held partially responsible if it cannot prove it did everything possible to avoid the situation.
I assume you saw the press story last week, for eg, of a woman who had her account frozen with a lot of money in it, because she had been collecting charity donations via a personal paypal account.
Basically, Paypal is not stupid. They know that, in normal circumstances, only an idiot would pay the 3% fee to send a large sum of money from Person A to Person B when they could post a cheque for 41p. Their default position on all such transactions is therefore to be suspicious. Rememher that, should money laundering be found to be taking place via Paypal, Paypal will be held partially responsible if it cannot prove it did everything possible to avoid the situation.
Dec 22, 2011, 9:13 am
#1311
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Leicester, UK
Programs: BA, VS
Posts: 221
it's not money laundering - it is called "cash advancing" ie. in effect you are creating a cash withdrawal sourced from a credit card at the card purchase rate and inappropriately subject to the protection aspects of the card.
It is documented as being against the t's and c's of both paypal and amex.
Transferring money for a legitimate reason sush as paying rent as detailed below will be entirely ok.
Sending money knowing it's going to swing back to you in your pocket or bank account is against the rules, although I don't see how they would actually know.
It is documented as being against the t's and c's of both paypal and amex.
Transferring money for a legitimate reason sush as paying rent as detailed below will be entirely ok.
Sending money knowing it's going to swing back to you in your pocket or bank account is against the rules, although I don't see how they would actually know.
Dec 22, 2011, 10:14 am
#1312
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Paypal will close your account and freeze your cash. They love doing it, don't think they don't.
I assume you saw the press story last week, for eg, of a woman who had her account frozen with a lot of money in it, because she had been collecting charity donations via a personal paypal account.
I assume you saw the press story last week, for eg, of a woman who had her account frozen with a lot of money in it, because she had been collecting charity donations via a personal paypal account.
So, a big "Thank You NOT" to PayPal for closing off part of our revenue stream.
I'm sure they have business case - it just screwed us
Dec 22, 2011, 10:24 am
#1313
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Shropshire
Programs: BA Silver, IHG Spire Ambassador, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 407
Enjoy a night away on us...
... has anyone else had this in the post today from Amex (Plat). An offer of a completely free night stay in one of 63 Starwood properties worldwide from The Luxury Collection, W, Weston, Le Meridien and Sheraton up to the end of Sept next year.
No catches, no charges/fees, no minimum stay etc - just a totally free night.
The only potential catch is there are no properties in the UK so it's likely you'd volunteer to tag on another night or two to make the trip worthwhile, or it could help a TP run with a free hotel in the middle.
No catches, no charges/fees, no minimum stay etc - just a totally free night.
The only potential catch is there are no properties in the UK so it's likely you'd volunteer to tag on another night or two to make the trip worthwhile, or it could help a TP run with a free hotel in the middle.
Dec 22, 2011, 10:34 am
#1314
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... has anyone else had this in the post today from Amex (Plat). An offer of a completely free night stay in one of 63 Starwood properties worldwide from The Luxury Collection, W, Weston, Le Meridien and Sheraton up to the end of Sept next year.
No catches, no charges/fees, no minimum stay etc - just a totally free night.
The only potential catch is there are no properties in the UK so it's likely you'd volunteer to tag on another night or two to make the trip worthwhile, or it could help a TP run with a free hotel in the middle.
No catches, no charges/fees, no minimum stay etc - just a totally free night.
The only potential catch is there are no properties in the UK so it's likely you'd volunteer to tag on another night or two to make the trip worthwhile, or it could help a TP run with a free hotel in the middle.
Dec 22, 2011, 11:30 am
#1315
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Tyrone,EU
Programs: Avios Hunter
Posts: 2,812
I got a different freebie in the post. 2 heathrow fastrack vouchers (each good for 2 people), and two £10 off vouchers for departure shopping.
Fastrack are no good to me, as they expire end of feb, but I'll probably get use out of the £10 vouchers as they have a longer expiry.
Fastrack are no good to me, as they expire end of feb, but I'll probably get use out of the £10 vouchers as they have a longer expiry.
Dec 22, 2011, 3:16 pm
#1317
Join Date: Nov 2011
Programs: BA Exec Club Silver, KrisFlyer Elite Gold
Posts: 6
Bonus Avios for BA Amex Cards
Hi,
If anyone is interested in being referred for a BA Amex Card by me, you could get the following bonus Avios (BA Miles) in your account if you're accepted for the card:
Standard BA Amex Card - bonus (free) 10,000 Avios (BA Miles)
Premium Plus BA Amex Card - bonus (free) 19,000 Avios (BA Miles)
The standard one is totally free and the premium plus one costs £150 for a year, but it's well worth it as you only need to spend £10,000 in one year to quality for a free companion voucher. This means that someone can travel with you (in the same cabin, inc. 1st and Business Class) for the equivalent of only one person's miles (e.g. to fly to Sydney & back from the UK is 100,000 miles I believe, so you could fly back with someone else for only 100,000 miles, plus taxes).
If you're interested in taking up this offer, please PM me with your full name and email address and I'll send you a referral email.
Best regards,
J-P
If anyone is interested in being referred for a BA Amex Card by me, you could get the following bonus Avios (BA Miles) in your account if you're accepted for the card:
Standard BA Amex Card - bonus (free) 10,000 Avios (BA Miles)
Premium Plus BA Amex Card - bonus (free) 19,000 Avios (BA Miles)
The standard one is totally free and the premium plus one costs £150 for a year, but it's well worth it as you only need to spend £10,000 in one year to quality for a free companion voucher. This means that someone can travel with you (in the same cabin, inc. 1st and Business Class) for the equivalent of only one person's miles (e.g. to fly to Sydney & back from the UK is 100,000 miles I believe, so you could fly back with someone else for only 100,000 miles, plus taxes).
If you're interested in taking up this offer, please PM me with your full name and email address and I'll send you a referral email.
Best regards,
J-P
Dec 22, 2011, 4:14 pm
#1318
Join Date: Sep 2010
Programs: VS Silver; BA Blue; HH Gold; SPG Gold
Posts: 779
Hi,
If anyone is interested in being referred for a BA Amex Card by me, you could get the following bonus Avios (BA Miles) in your account if you're accepted for the card:
Standard BA Amex Card - bonus (free) 10,000 Avios (BA Miles)
Premium Plus BA Amex Card - bonus (free) 19,000 Avios (BA Miles)
The standard one is totally free and the premium plus one costs £150 for a year, but it's well worth it as you only need to spend £10,000 in one year to quality for a free companion voucher. This means that someone can travel with you (in the same cabin, inc. 1st and Business Class) for the equivalent of only one person's miles (e.g. to fly to Sydney & back from the UK is 100,000 miles I believe, so you could fly back with someone else for only 100,000 miles, plus taxes).
If you're interested in taking up this offer, please PM me with your full name and email address and I'll send you a referral email.
Best regards,
J-P
If anyone is interested in being referred for a BA Amex Card by me, you could get the following bonus Avios (BA Miles) in your account if you're accepted for the card:
Standard BA Amex Card - bonus (free) 10,000 Avios (BA Miles)
Premium Plus BA Amex Card - bonus (free) 19,000 Avios (BA Miles)
The standard one is totally free and the premium plus one costs £150 for a year, but it's well worth it as you only need to spend £10,000 in one year to quality for a free companion voucher. This means that someone can travel with you (in the same cabin, inc. 1st and Business Class) for the equivalent of only one person's miles (e.g. to fly to Sydney & back from the UK is 100,000 miles I believe, so you could fly back with someone else for only 100,000 miles, plus taxes).
If you're interested in taking up this offer, please PM me with your full name and email address and I'll send you a referral email.
Best regards,
J-P
Just wow!
Dec 22, 2011, 4:45 pm
#1319
Join Date: Nov 2011
Programs: BA Exec Club Silver, KrisFlyer Elite Gold
Posts: 6
Excuse me?
Dec 22, 2011, 4:49 pm
#1320
Join Date: May 2011
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 794
Hi,
If anyone is interested in being referred for a BA Amex Card by me, you could get the following bonus Avios (BA Miles) in your account if you're accepted for the card:
Standard BA Amex Card - bonus (free) 10,000 Avios (BA Miles)
Premium Plus BA Amex Card - bonus (free) 19,000 Avios (BA Miles)
The standard one is totally free and the premium plus one costs £150 for a year, but it's well worth it as you only need to spend £10,000 in one year to quality for a free companion voucher. This means that someone can travel with you (in the same cabin, inc. 1st and Business Class) for the equivalent of only one person's miles (e.g. to fly to Sydney & back from the UK is 100,000 miles I believe, so you could fly back with someone else for only 100,000 miles, plus taxes).
If you're interested in taking up this offer, please PM me with your full name and email address and I'll send you a referral email.
Best regards,
J-P
If anyone is interested in being referred for a BA Amex Card by me, you could get the following bonus Avios (BA Miles) in your account if you're accepted for the card:
Standard BA Amex Card - bonus (free) 10,000 Avios (BA Miles)
Premium Plus BA Amex Card - bonus (free) 19,000 Avios (BA Miles)
The standard one is totally free and the premium plus one costs £150 for a year, but it's well worth it as you only need to spend £10,000 in one year to quality for a free companion voucher. This means that someone can travel with you (in the same cabin, inc. 1st and Business Class) for the equivalent of only one person's miles (e.g. to fly to Sydney & back from the UK is 100,000 miles I believe, so you could fly back with someone else for only 100,000 miles, plus taxes).
If you're interested in taking up this offer, please PM me with your full name and email address and I'll send you a referral email.
Best regards,
J-P
