Last edit by: Hyacinthe
This thread is a continuation of discussion which began HERE in 2011.
Referrals and self-referrals are an important part of churning Canadian-issued American Express cards. It is appropriate to discuss how the referral process works in this thread. However, please do not offer or request referrals here.
Use only this thread, and do read the Wikipost carefully before posting:
Referral Offers (post only in this thread, no referral links, read Wiki post first).
JerryHung: I figure I'll include all CURRENT AMEX Canada offers here (no referral links) for anyone curious about what the bonus and fees are
This is not an all-inclusive list, only the "good" offers, so feel free to add new offers
AMEX Platinum - $699/year, 60K MR (via referral) after $1000 spending in 3 months vs. 50K non-referral
AMEX Gold Rewards - $150/year, FYF, 25K MR after $500 spending + $50 cashback from GCR
AMEX Air Miles Platinum - $65/year, FYF, 2000 Air Miles after $500 spending + $30 GCR cashback
New as of 2014/10/09
AMEX Business Gold - $250/year, FYF, 30K MR after $5000 spending (or 40K via referral)
AMEX Business Platinum - $399/year, 40K MR after $5000 spending (or 50K via referral)
Referrals and self-referrals are an important part of churning Canadian-issued American Express cards. It is appropriate to discuss how the referral process works in this thread. However, please do not offer or request referrals here.
Use only this thread, and do read the Wikipost carefully before posting:
Referral Offers (post only in this thread, no referral links, read Wiki post first).
JerryHung: I figure I'll include all CURRENT AMEX Canada offers here (no referral links) for anyone curious about what the bonus and fees are
This is not an all-inclusive list, only the "good" offers, so feel free to add new offers
AMEX Platinum - $699/year, 60K MR (via referral) after $1000 spending in 3 months vs. 50K non-referral
AMEX Gold Rewards - $150/year, FYF, 25K MR after $500 spending + $50 cashback from GCR
AMEX Air Miles Platinum - $65/year, FYF, 2000 Air Miles after $500 spending + $30 GCR cashback
New as of 2014/10/09
AMEX Business Gold - $250/year, FYF, 30K MR after $5000 spending (or 40K via referral)
AMEX Business Platinum - $399/year, 40K MR after $5000 spending (or 50K via referral)
Churning Amex in Canada (2014)
#526
Suspended
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Programs: Hyatt Diamond, Fairmont Platinum, Aeroplan Diamond, HHonors Gold, SPG Gold
Posts: 18,686
Someone can walk me through how to get this card value down to $99?
The Aeroplan Gold version card gives you 1.25 points after 10K spend. The best immediate point value offered with a FYF card.
You could try and roll the dice and throw all the purchases onto the Gold MR version, and wait for a Avios transfer bonus. But its YMMV if Amex is introducing a Avios transfer bonus. Last years was March 1st to 31st IIRC. So the annual time as passed. The year previous were different months.
#527
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Canada
Programs: *void
Posts: 2,408
Easy to say when it's not you that's taking the risk of applying, and when you have no concrete or reliable sources. Anyone can print out a page but there's no date/timestamp on a regular printout, so what kind of validity is that?!? If anyone believes this will work, I have saved the 20K signup webpages as a PDF document. But, if this works, then why not go for the 21K promo via referral? I may have a PDF of this too.
I wouldn't suggest applying thru this 'hidden' page without discussing first with an Amex rep, and getting a verbal OK that you will get 20K vs current 10K welcome points. At least then you might have the recorded conversation to use as an argument for the higher signup points.
#528
Join Date: Jan 2013
Programs: Aeroplan Diamond, SPG Plat, Hilton Gold, Marriott
Posts: 1,839
If you ever tried to print the page, you would notice there is date at the bottom of the page.
#529
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Canada
Programs: *void
Posts: 2,408
That notwithstanding, anyone can take a PDF or image file, and 'manufacture' a date and dope up a reasonably valid-looking printout, even 2 or 6 months from now. Would that still be valid proof/grounds to get a promotion to stick? How would you convince Amex to believe it is credible, seeing as there is such ease in manufacturing documents to have such fictitious values?
Keep researching for ideas. Something will break through eventually.
#530
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Programs: Hyatt Diamond, Fairmont Platinum, Aeroplan Diamond, HHonors Gold, SPG Gold
Posts: 18,686
Ok.. Just print a copy and make sure a date is on it. If not, then save the application to pdf file which has a date stamp on the file name description. This is if you're willing to take the risk of applying through the hidden page, which is Amex generated.
#531
Join Date: Jan 2013
Programs: Aeroplan Diamond, SPG Plat, Hilton Gold, Marriott
Posts: 1,839
Not necessarily. Depends on your browser's settings/preferences. True, I can force it so that I get a date at the top of my Google Chrome printouts, but if I choose to use my IE browser, I won't get ANY relevant date/timestamps on the printout. Do you want proof? I can send you my PDF printout which has NO current date. Hence my wording of "regular" printout in my original post, I left it open-ended because I know that everyone's PC/browsers are configured differently, so you may or may not get a date as part of any browser printout...in other words, you'd have to ensure you set the correct page preferences to get any sort of date as part of the printout.
#532
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Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,377
I'm not sure why there's such a huge debate on printing PDF's with or without date stamps, but this summarize it nicely:
+1
That notwithstanding, anyone can take a PDF or image file, and 'manufacture' a date and dope up a reasonably valid-looking printout, even 2 or 6 months from now. Would that still be valid proof/grounds to get a promotion to stick? How would you convince Amex to believe it is credible, seeing as there is such ease in manufacturing documents to have such fictitious values?
#533
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Programs: Hyatt Diamond, Fairmont Platinum, Aeroplan Diamond, HHonors Gold, SPG Gold
Posts: 18,686
Would it constitute fraud to doctor a document and present as true? Especially with PDFs, everything is embedded. Documents are often used for legal transactions. I don't think it would be that easy to doctor a PDF.
#534
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: YHZ
Programs: AE*SE, *AGold, UA Silver, Marriott Bonvoy Titanium, Hilton Gold, Hertz PC
Posts: 61
SPG 20k attempt, and MRGold options?
This 'hidden' link was mentioned at the SPG thread.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/starw...l#post22630307
You can get to the page after you've logged onto Amex.ca.
Doesn't look like anyone's reported on trying to use it successfully yet.
I think you'd need to build up a case that you applied with the right offer codes...perhaps call in to Apply, and show the rep the same page you see, and then get the rep to ensure you get the 20K vs 10K welcome points.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/starw...l#post22630307
You can get to the page after you've logged onto Amex.ca.
Doesn't look like anyone's reported on trying to use it successfully yet.
I think you'd need to build up a case that you applied with the right offer codes...perhaps call in to Apply, and show the rep the same page you see, and then get the rep to ensure you get the 20K vs 10K welcome points.
On a somewhat unrelated note: I'm saving for a miniRTW late in 2015. Planning to get MRGold as part of the strategy to ensure I have enough points to book around end-2014.
Any suggestions on whether I should do the GCR rebate, or give a helpful FTer the referral?
(new to FT, but have read a fair bit and am hoping to be a good contributor on my journey to the miniRTW and beyond)
Christopher
#535
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: YVR
Posts: 1,465
60k welcome bonus on Plat did not post.
I traded referrals with a friend. I referred him to Amex Plat, got 15k. The friend got the card, spent $1,000+, referred me, got 15k. But did not get the 60k. Emailed Amex, got a response that he already got "15k out of 60k" and that the email was forwarded to a relevant department to reply within 3 days. Two business days so far, no miles, no reply.
I'll update here once Amex responds.
I traded referrals with a friend. I referred him to Amex Plat, got 15k. The friend got the card, spent $1,000+, referred me, got 15k. But did not get the 60k. Emailed Amex, got a response that he already got "15k out of 60k" and that the email was forwarded to a relevant department to reply within 3 days. Two business days so far, no miles, no reply.
I'll update here once Amex responds.
#536
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: YYZ (YUL/LHR)
Programs: AC - E50, CX - G, Accor Plat, SPG Gold
Posts: 903
I was in YYZ and noticed the homepage offers for AmEx sign ups were:
50k Plat MR
25k Aeroplat
15k Gold MR
I wondered whether that was a sign of things to come and in line with recent devaluations on other products (Gold Biz, SPG and SPG Biz) but so far no change.
50k Plat MR
25k Aeroplat
15k Gold MR
I wondered whether that was a sign of things to come and in line with recent devaluations on other products (Gold Biz, SPG and SPG Biz) but so far no change.
#537
Formerly known as newbie elite
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: YUL
Programs: IHG Diamond Ambassador, Accor Platinum, AC50K
Posts: 2,928
Spouse is still waiting on all 60K from a late february application. I usually send a message after the 10 week mark if they haven't posted (has only happened once on recent gold app) and they posted a few days after that.
#538
Join Date: Jan 2013
Programs: Aeroplan Diamond, SPG Plat, Hilton Gold, Marriott
Posts: 1,839
I just checked the link and the page is till there
#539
Join Date: Jan 2013
Programs: Aeroplan Diamond, SPG Plat, Hilton Gold, Marriott
Posts: 1,839
The referral bonus for SPG cards (both personal and business) is also reduced. It was 10k and now it is 5k for each referral.
#540
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: YYZ (YUL/LHR)
Programs: AC - E50, CX - G, Accor Plat, SPG Gold
Posts: 903