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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 2:02 pm
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Originally Posted by cesco.g
AAs decision to abandon ZRH-JFK makes one wonder, if/why they could not attract critical premium cabin traffic on this popular business city pair?

I thought it was because AA eventually wants to shift most TATL routes that depend on connecting traffic over to the hub at PHL.

The clear exception, of course, is JFK-LHR which is an O/D route and is also the most profitable air route in the entire WORLD (for BA anyway, though AA and IAG have a JBA in place).
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 2:24 pm
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Originally Posted by ESpen36
I thought it was because AA eventually wants to shift most TATL routes that depend on connecting traffic over to the hub at PHL.

The clear exception, of course, is JFK-LHR which is an O/D route and is also the most profitable air route in the entire WORLD (for BA anyway, though AA and IAG have a JBA in place).
As I understand it AA is keeping those routes that have strong O&D demand and sending all the others to PHL. It would seem as though JFK/ZRH would have solid O&D but with the 763....?
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 2:28 pm
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Unless I'm mistaken, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but AA remains the only carrier to offer lie-flat, individual (nobody next to you) seats on the NYC-LAX route. I believe United offers lie-flat, but you still have someone next to you. Again, I may be mistaken, but I imagine that's a big seller for those who prefer privacy during flight.
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 2:46 pm
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Originally Posted by ZbadhabitZ
Unless I'm mistaken, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but AA remains the only carrier to offer lie-flat, individual (nobody next to you) seats on the NYC-LAX route. I believe United offers lie-flat, but you still have someone next to you. Again, I may be mistaken, but I imagine that's a big seller for those who prefer privacy during flight.
AA flys a 3 class plane (A321) dedicated to the route and JFK/SFO only. Other than occasional a/c utilization for routes like JFK/BOS and JFK/DCA. J is 2x2 while F is 1X1.
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 4:22 pm
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Originally Posted by ZbadhabitZ
Unless I'm mistaken, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but AA remains the only carrier to offer lie-flat, individual (nobody next to you) seats on the NYC-LAX route. I believe United offers lie-flat, but you still have someone next to you. Again, I may be mistaken, but I imagine that's a big seller for those who prefer privacy during flight.
DL is flying the DeltaOne product which offers a 1-2-1 configuration and international-level amenities and meals. A couple of flights a day are on a 752 with 2-2 configuration and lie-flat seats but most are on 763 and 764 aircraft with lie flat seats.
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 4:30 pm
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I flew the the UA flight last week, seats are 2-2 and decent, but the wine was worse than Trader Joe's quality. I was surprised, as I figured to compete with AA they'd have to step it up. It was worse than AA normal domestic.
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 5:07 pm
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Originally Posted by newyorkgeorge
Could it be premium paxs looked at the ratty old 763 (and possibly suffering from a maintenance delay) and wonder is this International J? Not to mention those in Y coughing up a few thousand for no IFE/AVOD.
The hard product in J was on par with what DL offered and not really different from LX (same seat design, wider cabin but they have 2-2-1 in some rows so not sure its really any better on balance). AAs flagship lounge is certainly better than what DL offers, dont know about LX (they have their own JFK lounge, they dont use LH, right?).

Certainly if the operational reliability was poor that would drive a lot of business travelers away, and perhaps more importantly, a large corporate contract or two.
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 5:10 pm
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Originally Posted by newyorkgeorge
AA flys a 3 class plane (A321) dedicated to the route and JFK/SFO only. Other than occasional a/c utilization for routes like JFK/BOS and JFK/DCA. J is 2x2 while F is 1X1.
AA definitely uses the A321T (3-class) on the JFK/LAX route, too. I fly it monthly. I had tried JetBlue Mint, which was great, but unless you are lucky enough to snag the "solo" lie-flat seat, you're in a 2-configuration per row. Which is not terrible, of course, but AA Flagship First, guarantees you a solo seat, which has spoiled me. I'll look into Delta to see the ease of grabbing said solo seat if they do offer a comparable configuration. Still, though, per the topic of this thread, I'd surprised if AA were to pull back the transcontinental route for the Hollywood type who enjoy that setup.
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 8:52 pm
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If JFK-ZRH was such a revenue-generator in the J cabin for AA, and the main detractor for consumers was the reliability of the 763, then they would have switched it out for a 772. And not transferred it to PHL.
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 10:43 pm
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Originally Posted by Fanjet
If JFK-ZRH was such a revenue-generator in the J cabin for AA, and the main detractor for consumers was the reliability of the 763, then they would have switched it out for a 772. And not transferred it to PHL.
The 772 configuration might have been too much capacity in Y for this route. There is talk UA will deploy their reconfigured J-heavy 763 (46J/22PE/99Y) on the ZRH/GVA route, given the benefits of high premium demand in that market.
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 10:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Fanjet
If JFK-ZRH was such a revenue-generator in the J cabin for AA, and the main detractor for consumers was the reliability of the 763, then they would have switched it out for a 772. And not transferred it to PHL.
I don't believe they gave it a chance to try and find out. There is no way I am getting on the 763 for a three hour domestic flight (due to op. issues) let alone a seven hour TATL hop (op issues and product). Even with no Star alliance status I'd fly LX on this route.

AA in NYC is becoming almost unusable. Lately, work has me traveling a lot between NYC and Seattle and AA is just a non-starter. Now they've even taken away the Sunday night red-eye from SEA to JFK.

Looks like I'll have to move most of my flying to DL. I would gladly move to JetBlue and that excellent (and well priced) Mint product, but the lack of a lounge with showers makes that option tough
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Old Oct 6, 2018 | 12:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Austin787
DL also flies JFK-SAT. And UA flies EWR-SAT.
UA flies EWR-TYS and DL flies LGA-TYS also.
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Old Oct 6, 2018 | 1:31 pm
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At some point if B6 wants to continue to expand Mint they are going to need lounges/showers in a few of their airports.
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Old Oct 6, 2018 | 4:49 pm
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Originally Posted by cesco.g
The 772 configuration might have been too much capacity in Y for this route. There is talk UA will deploy their reconfigured J-heavy 763 (46J/22PE/99Y) on the ZRH/GVA route, given the benefits of high premium demand in that market.
Doesn't UA get a lot of their revenue on those flights from the pharmaceutical industry?
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Old Oct 6, 2018 | 5:07 pm
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Originally Posted by newyorkgeorge
At some point if B6 wants to continue to expand Mint they are going to need lounges/showers in a few of their airports.
It hasnt stopped their success so far, why would that change?
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