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Speculation: Will AA continue to pull back in NYC?

Speculation: Will AA continue to pull back in NYC?

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Old Aug 22, 18, 1:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Adelphos View Post
- Need to keep JFK slots active with some kind of flights
- Flagship lounge as a selling point for JFK to DFW to international passengers
To me the whole point of FL is to Transcon J and F now. What a waste...

And agree with the above I never heard anyone taking a TATL via DFW just because AA has better lounges.
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Old Aug 22, 18, 1:46 pm
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Delta is successful in NYC because they have invested in their planes and make them enjoyable to fly on.....AA for years has delayed or not fully invested in those 763s/75Ls and they lost corporate contracts to ZRH because of it.

AA needs to stop being so cheap and invest in the product people spend 7 hours on.
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Old Aug 22, 18, 4:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Austin787 View Post
Delta makes its Germany routes work.
I don't see AA reducing service to Germany. PHL-MUC is being moved to CLT. The seasonal PHL-FRA is going away. But they are starting a seasonal PHL-TXL route, in addition to a seasonal DFW-MUC one.
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Old Aug 22, 18, 5:59 pm
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Why is AA seemingly dismantling its JFK hub?

Service to DUB, PAP and EDI is coming to an end. We lost PLS, MAN, BHX and SJU in recent years as well.

Seems like they aren't even trying to keep up with DL or B6. Is it just because of the addition of PHL? Seems like a total waste of the (relatively) new and large Terminal 8.
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Old Aug 22, 18, 6:15 pm
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Originally Posted by andersonCooper View Post
I am guessing they re-focus their targets on proven leisure destinations (CDG, MXP for instance) instead of business travelers, but ignore the fact that business travelers travel for leisure as well...
All that leisure travel in Milan...
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Old Aug 22, 18, 6:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Stone_In_Focus View Post
Service to DUB, PAP and EDI is coming to an end. We lost PLS, MAN, BHX and SJU in recent years as well.

Seems like they aren't even trying to keep up with DL or B6.
No, they aren't - and haven't been for years. PANYNJ data show AA carried about half the JFK passenger count of B6, and less than that compared to Delta, for the 12 months ended June '18.

http://www.panynj.gov/airports/pdf-t..._JUNE_2018.pdf

American Airlines - proudly #4 in NYC.

http://www.panynj.gov/airports/pdf-t..._JUNE_2018.pdf
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Old Aug 23, 18, 6:32 am
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At some point one wonders when they start offloading more of the NYC-LON to BA. There's got to be some limits in the JV but still, they might do better focusing on their fortress hubs to London instead.
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Old Sep 30, 18, 8:26 pm
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Why doesn't AA fly JFK-SLC? DL has 5x daily flights on the same route! B6 and UA make a single daily flight work.
Also, aside from JFK-SFO/LAX, AA has no domestic flat-bed routes. B6 and DL seem to have 5-10 such additional routes with Mint/DeltaOne. What is the timeline for AA to increase these from JFK?
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Old Sep 30, 18, 11:19 pm
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Jfk to slc is a hub to hub route for DL so they fly it a lot. UA flies it once a day from EWR. B6 was founded by Utahans and has their back office operations there.

AA from JFK doesnt have those same reasons.
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Old Oct 1, 18, 6:58 am
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it's hard for AA to compete to a DL fortress hub out of JFK. I wouldn't expect AA to ever add this route.
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Old Oct 1, 18, 7:17 am
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Originally Posted by lewis_saint View Post
Also, aside from JFK-SFO/LAX, AA has no domestic flat-bed routes. B6 and DL seem to have 5-10 such additional routes with Mint/DeltaOne. What is the timeline for AA to increase these from JFK?
I don't think they have any other dedicated routes, but there are at least 1x daily flights on PHL-LAX, PHL-SFO, PHL-MIA, JFK-MIA, MIA-LAX, etc. with lie flat seats.
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Old Oct 1, 18, 11:09 am
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Originally Posted by lowfareair View Post
I don't think they have any other dedicated routes, but there are at least 1x daily flights on PHL-LAX, PHL-SFO, PHL-MIA, JFK-MIA, MIA-LAX, etc. with lie flat seats.
As soon as AA figures out where the aircraft can generate more revenue these routes will be scaled back to standard domestic F.
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Old Oct 1, 18, 11:52 am
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Originally Posted by lowfareair View Post
I don't think they have any other dedicated routes, but there are at least 1x daily flights on PHL-LAX, PHL-SFO, PHL-MIA, JFK-MIA, MIA-LAX, etc. with lie flat seats.
That's precisely the problem IMO. JetBlue is able to advertise "this is a Mint route" and people will pay extra because they know that's the product they are getting. AA can't or won't do that. Most people would not pay a premium to fly PHL-SFO on the 330 knowing a schedule change could swap it for a 321.
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Old Oct 1, 18, 2:57 pm
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Originally Posted by wetrat0 View Post
That's precisely the problem IMO. JetBlue is able to advertise "this is a Mint route" and people will pay extra because they know that's the product they are getting. AA can't or won't do that. Most people would not pay a premium to fly PHL-SFO on the 330 knowing a schedule change could swap it for a 321.
It's only been swapped for a non-lie flat aircraft 3 times in the past 41 days.
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Old Oct 2, 18, 6:40 am
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Originally Posted by nova08 View Post
It's only been swapped for a non-lie flat aircraft 3 times in the past 41 days.
That's IrrOps (and a 7.3% IrrOps rate is nothing to be proud of). If you pay for one of these flights more than a few months out, there's nothing to stop AA from permanently changing the route to a different type of aircraft and then telling you to pound sand when you tell them you're not getting the product you paid for. When you pay for Mint, on the other hand, you know you're getting a flat bed.
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