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Old Feb 4, 2019 | 10:29 am
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Originally Posted by Cledaybuck
Except that is across two different airports. Not exactly a seemless (or advisable) connecting experience.
I'm not here to get into a debate about how an airline identifies its operation. I'll note that MISWESTERNFLYER referred to the "NYC operation". NYC obviously encompasses LGA and JFK and could arguably include EWR. AA similarly refers its market in its hub/airport fact sheets as the "New York City Airports." Call them hubs, call them focus cities, call them nests, call them temples. IDGAF. I'll leave it to the marketers at AA to decide what they want to call it..

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Old Feb 4, 2019 | 10:43 am
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Originally Posted by AANYC1981
I'm flying LGA-ORD right now on a Monday morning and there are ZERO people on the UPG list and I cleared at T-100.
I have 4,300 EQM with American YTD and 10,344 MQM with Delta... Looks like I will try to go for Gold with Delta and Gold with AA. AA should be pretty easy with a couple of transcons, and Delta should be pretty easy with the Amex MQM boost...
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Old Feb 4, 2019 | 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by Cledaybuck
Except that is across two different airports. Not exactly a seemless (or advisable) connecting experience.
Both AA and Delta do a decent amount of connecting traffic either at LGA or JFK, especially when you consider connections to international partners at JFK. AA also built a flagship lounge at JFK, so they must think the market is important. I would call it a hub. I guess my question is does their current strategy of not serving some key markets while maintaining a "hub" presence make a lot of sense.
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Old Feb 4, 2019 | 11:29 am
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Originally Posted by IADCAflyer
I'm not here to get into a debate about how an airline identifies its operation. I'll note that MISWESTERNFLYER referred to the "NYC operation". NYC obviously encompasses LGA and JFK and could arguably include EWR. AA similarly refers its market in its hub/airport fact sheets as the "New York City Airports." Call them hubs, call them focus cities, call them nests, call them temples. IDGAF. I'll leave it to the marketers at AA to decide what they want to call it..
You're right that what you call it is somewhat arbitrary (try figuring out what WN's "hubs" are sometime). I'm just saying that a place like PHX and NYC operate in a totally different way. Other than some flights to feed the international operation at JFK, I don't think AA is trying to connect much in New York.
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Old Feb 4, 2019 | 11:40 am
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Originally Posted by Cledaybuck
I'm just saying that a place like PHX and NYC operate in a totally different way.
No one denies that, and no one has argued otherwise.
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Old Feb 4, 2019 | 11:43 am
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Does anyone think it's likely that at some point the Port Authority will try to build another runway or two at JFK (I'm not sure there's space to do that at LGA) to add capacity at JFK. I'm sure United (and to a lesser extent, American) would jump at the opportunity to get more slots there.

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Old Feb 4, 2019 | 11:52 am
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Originally Posted by donotblink
Does anyone think it's likely that at some point the Port Authority will try to build another runway or two at JFK (I'm not sure there's space to do that at LGA) to add capacity at JFK. I'm sure United (and to a lesser extent, American) would jump at the opportunity to get more slots there.
I foresee (and would prefer for a host of reasons, including environmental) capacity growth in the form of larger aircraft long before the airport is expanded/runways added.
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Old Feb 4, 2019 | 12:50 pm
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Originally Posted by ComplexAnalysis
It looks like it's a summer seasonal service, departing on Saturdays starting from June 8.
Until then, B6 Mint for vacations rather than thru MIA.
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Old Feb 4, 2019 | 1:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Cledaybuck
Other than some flights to feed the international operation at JFK, I don't think AA is trying to connect much in New York.
Clearly not, they'd rather connect people via PHL. They want to save the prime seats out of New York for what in theory is higher-yielding origin/destination nonstop travel.

Originally Posted by AANYC1981
I'm flying LGA-ORD right now on a Monday morning and there are ZERO people on the UPG list and I cleared at T-100.
Oh, come on, 11am is not "Monday morning" in consultant travel-speak!
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Old Feb 4, 2019 | 2:36 pm
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Originally Posted by donotblink
Does anyone think it's likely that at some point the Port Authority will try to build another runway or two at JFK (I'm not sure there's space to do that at LGA) to add capacity at JFK. I'm sure United (and to a lesser extent, American) would jump at the opportunity to get more slots there.
The problem doesn't seem to be runways but congested airspace, in part as the equipment ATC uses is decades old.
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Old Feb 4, 2019 | 6:09 pm
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Originally Posted by newyorkgeorge
The problem doesn't seem to be runways but congested airspace, in part as the equipment ATC uses is decades old.
The NYC airspace is congested because of the limited runways. This is one reason for slot restrictions. The FAA is modernizing, albeit at a usual government slow pace.

it's physically impossible to build any more runway capacity at JFK without some major landfilling of Jamaica Bay adjacent to 13R-31L. Good luck with the environmentalists on that one.
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Old Feb 4, 2019 | 6:14 pm
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Originally Posted by ijgordon
Clearly not, they'd rather connect people via PHL. They want to save the prime seats out of New York for what in theory is higher-yielding origin/destination nonstop travel.


Oh, come on, 11am is not "Monday morning" in consultant travel-speak!
Delta's flight at the same time had an UPG list of 20+ people.......just saying (and not complaining).
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Old Feb 4, 2019 | 11:45 pm
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Originally Posted by AANYC1981
Delta's flight at the same time had an UPG list of 20+ people.......just saying (and not complaining).
Part of that is that all elites (and some partner/hotel elites) and companions are eligible for complimentary upgrades on DL. Not so on AA. Now, I certainly buy a claim that a higher fraction of NYC-based flyers (ie people leaving NYC on Monday) on a DL flight on that route are elite than on AA. But the length of the upgrade list is not an apples to apples indicator.
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Old Feb 6, 2019 | 4:47 pm
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https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30747505-post59.html

How does the move of BA into Terminal 8, with a greater allocation to international aircraft, impact this? Do you agree with the linked post that this means a greater decline of domestic AA service out of JFK>
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Old Feb 10, 2019 | 1:37 pm
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JFK-MCO gone after June.

JFK-CLE/ORF/SAT getting trimmed in May. No confirmation whether this trimming is permanent or just for the month of May.
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