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Old Mar 12, 2018, 1:46 pm
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This wikipost presents an updated summary of AF configurations and plans for deliveries and retrofitting the long-haul fleet with new J (and W) seats. For more details, please refer to the thread below

Last update on 15 JUL 2025

All the long-haul fleet is equipped with lie-flat seats in J. All the long-haul fleet is in 1-2-1 configuration in J with direct aisle access, with the exception of the A332 which are in 2-2-2 configuration.

B772
21 planes, all B772 with the BEST cabins (Zodiac Cirrus seat). A refit programme is nearing completion to standardise the 772 fleet with a 28J 32W 268M configuration, with the final frames in the hanger for refurbishment
- J seating is 1-2-1
- W seat is a hard-shell seat (the 1st generation of W seats installed by AF)
- Seating Config: C28W32Y268

B77W
4P Version with "Old" P (19 planes out of 43 77W : F-GSQA, F-GSQB, F-GSQC, F-GSQF, F-GSQG, F-GSQH, F-GSQI, F-GSQJ, F-GSQK, F-GSQL, F-GSQM, F-GSQU, F-GSQV, F-GSQY, F-GZNA, F-GZNB, F-GZNC, F-GZND, and F-GZNE)
- J seating is 1-2-1 (Zodiac Cirrus seat), aka BEST cabin, same as B772
- W seat is a hard-shell seat (the 1st generation of W seats installed by AF)
- Seating config: F4C58W28Y206

4P Version with "New" P (3 planes : F-GZNK, F-GZNP, F-GZNQ).
[F-GZND arrived @ ORY 08 APR for mods]
- New La Premier cabin with chaise lounge
- New J seat: Safran Cirrus 5C03 suites with a door in a 1-2-1 configuration
- W seat: Recaro PL3530 seats
- Seating config: F4C60W44Y204

COI version (14J) (12 planes out of 43 B77W : F-GSQO, F-GSQP, F-GSQT, F-GSQX, F-GZNG. F-GSQS, F-GZNF, F-GSQR, F-GSQN, F-GZNO, F-GZNL and F-GZNN).
- The J seat is Zodiac Optima (same as chosen for the initial batch of A350), similar to the UA Polaris seat, in a 1-2-1 configuration
- The W seat is the same as in the B789, i.e a hard-shell seat with a very slightly improved version compared to B772 and B77W (version with P).
- Seating config: C14W28Y430

Remaining 77W (9 planes out of 43 B77W : F-GZNS, F-GZNT, F-GZNI, F-GZNR, F-GZNU, F-GZNJ, F-GZNH, F-GSQD and F-GSQE)
- These planes were the former "NEV4" ones. Retrofits started in March 2022 and were completed in June 2024.
- New J seat: Safran Cirrus 5C03 suites with a door in a 1-2-1 configuration
- W seat: Recaro PL3530 seats
- Seating config: C48W48Y273

B789
- Ten planes have been delivered to AF (F-HRBA to F-HRBJ). No further deliveries are planned for AF (the initial order was for 15 frames, but the 5 remaining ones have been assigned to KL).
- J seat is BEST cabins (Zodiac Cirrus seat, slightly smaller than the 777 one, due to fuselage width limitation). The main difference with the B777 is the smaller tablet.
- J seating is 1-2-1
- The W seat is a hard-shell seat with a very slightly improved version compared to B772 and B77W (version with P).
- Seating config: C30W21Y228

A332
- As of 11/2025, only 7 planes remain in service (F-GZCA/F/G/K/M/N/O), but F & N are not flying at the moment, so only 5 are active. They are mostly flying to SXM, BLR, BEY, and some Africa routes (LAD, PNR, BZV, LFW).
- J seating is 2-2-2, with the Stelia Equinoxe seat (a similar seat can be seen in the UX B787).
- The W seat is the same as in the B789, i.e a hard-shell seat with a very slightly improved version compared to B772 and B77W (version with P).
- Seating config: C36W21Y167

A359
39 planes have been delivered as of 11/07/2025:

First batch (20): F-HTYA/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/N/O/P/Q/R/S/T
- J seat is Zodiac Optima, same as in B77W COI version)
- J seating is 1-2-1
- The W seat is a Recaro recliner seat.
- Seating config: C34W24Y266

Second batch (19/21): F-HUVA/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/N/O/P/Q/R/S/
- The new seat (Stelia Opera) is a slightly improved version of the BEST seat, with a door for privacy (similar to the one placed in the last batch of retrofitted B77W, with small differences).
- J seating is 1-2-1
- The W seat is a Recaro recliner seat.
- Seating config: C48W32Y212


RETIRED PLANE TYPES
A343
Last plane was withdrawn in 2021.
A388
Last plane was withdrawn in 2020.
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Old Nov 30, 2019 | 12:31 pm
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Originally Posted by Mister P.
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Anyone knows if AF operates a BEST cabin aircraft to Mauritius? (MRU - AF470). Operating aircraft for this route is a 77W. I have checked the wiki and I am guessing this would be part of the 77W COI version (14J) reconfiguration (Zodiac Optima) but I don't know if AF has even begun to reconfigure these aircraft. Thanks
No it still the horrible 77W with almost 500PAX inside.
I do the max to avoid these birds at all costs : try to opt for MK operated planes as they fly A359 with full flat seats.
Retrofit of first AF COI has started with the F-GSQT
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Retrofit of first AF COI has started with the F-GSQT
Good to know ^
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Hmm, that Wiki update today is interesting.

This thread is over 2 years old now.

Seems like they're not in a hurry to retrofit older planes. How do they compete for J fares on routes without BEST?
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Originally Posted by San Gottardo
What are the plans for the Non-COI 777-300ERs that are still flying with NEV4 seats? The ones that fly to MIA, GIG, ATL, ... Will they be upgraded at the same time as the COI birds?
They put one to replace the A380 next summer to PVG, when I first saw they retired the A380 from the route I thought to myself that I'll finally be able to fly AF again on their night flight to PVG, and no...
We will have to wait a few more years to have a good product from AF on the route it seems!
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Originally Posted by wco81
Hmm, that Wiki update today is interesting.

This thread is over 2 years old now.

Seems like they're not in a hurry to retrofit older planes. How do they compete for J fares on routes without BEST?
AF has always been super slow to retrofit planes and this time is no exception, even worse.
Fares are not lower with the old cabins vs new. But there is confounding factor : some planes with old cabins have more J seats, so you have a larger inventory in the lower fare buckets. So, on a route like JFK will all plane types and all seat types, it is not uncommon to have lower J fares on the A380 because of the higher number of seats and because many J pax avoid it and book the B777 with BEST seats.
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Originally Posted by pvgman
They put one to replace the A380 next summer to PVG, when I first saw they retired the A380 from the route I thought to myself that I'll finally be able to fly AF again on their night flight to PVG, and no...
We will have to wait a few more years to have a good product from AF on the route it seems!
The PVG A380 replacement should be on a BEST B77W.
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And DXB is losing the A380 for the next summer season .
Destination will be served with 772, so BEST in J but no P anymore to/from DXB with AF

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Originally Posted by Bullspread
And DXB is losing the A380 for the next summer season .
Destination will be served with 772, so BEST in J but no P anymore to/from DXB with AF
A380 is back for the winter season 2020/2021 . If not changed until there
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Not sure if it has been posted but the new seatmap for the reconfigured COI 77W is up (note: seat count went from 468 to 472):


The old one for comparison:
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I am cramped just looking at it
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F-GSQT will be deployed sporadically on PTP and FDF routes from 11th Jan onwards.
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Old Dec 23, 2019 | 12:19 am
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Originally Posted by bodory
F-GSQT will be deployed sporadically on PTP and FDF routes from 11th Jan onwards.
F-GSQT is grounded since Oct 13th.
Lets hope this first aircraft to be retrofitted is experiencing as well other major checks and not only a pure change of seats.
If each single change takes so much time, the entire retrofit will take years ....

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But what’s that new COI J seat? Looks like some kind of zigzag herringbone?
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Originally Posted by Zembla
But whats that new COI J seat? Looks like some kind of zigzag herringbone?
Looks like they're using the same seat as the A350.
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Originally Posted by Klems
Looks like they're using the same seat as the A350.
No complaints! Wish they had installed them on the A330....
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