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Old Mar 12, 2018, 1:46 pm
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This wikipost presents an updated summary of AF configurations and plans for deliveries and retrofitting the long-haul fleet with new J (and W) seats. For more details, please refer to the thread below

Last update on 15 JUL 2025

All the long-haul fleet is equipped with lie-flat seats in J. All the long-haul fleet is in 1-2-1 configuration in J with direct aisle access, with the exception of the A332 which are in 2-2-2 configuration.

B772
21 planes, all B772 with the BEST cabins (Zodiac Cirrus seat). A refit programme is nearing completion to standardise the 772 fleet with a 28J 32W 268M configuration, with the final frames in the hanger for refurbishment
- J seating is 1-2-1
- W seat is a hard-shell seat (the 1st generation of W seats installed by AF)
- Seating Config: C28W32Y268

B77W
4P Version with "Old" P (19 planes out of 43 77W : F-GSQA, F-GSQB, F-GSQC, F-GSQF, F-GSQG, F-GSQH, F-GSQI, F-GSQJ, F-GSQK, F-GSQL, F-GSQM, F-GSQU, F-GSQV, F-GSQY, F-GZNA, F-GZNB, F-GZNC, F-GZND, and F-GZNE)
- J seating is 1-2-1 (Zodiac Cirrus seat), aka BEST cabin, same as B772
- W seat is a hard-shell seat (the 1st generation of W seats installed by AF)
- Seating config: F4C58W28Y206

4P Version with "New" P (3 planes : F-GZNK, F-GZNP, F-GZNQ).
[F-GZND arrived @ ORY 08 APR for mods]
- New La Premier cabin with chaise lounge
- New J seat: Safran Cirrus 5C03 suites with a door in a 1-2-1 configuration
- W seat: Recaro PL3530 seats
- Seating config: F4C60W44Y204

COI version (14J) (12 planes out of 43 B77W : F-GSQO, F-GSQP, F-GSQT, F-GSQX, F-GZNG. F-GSQS, F-GZNF, F-GSQR, F-GSQN, F-GZNO, F-GZNL and F-GZNN).
- The J seat is Zodiac Optima (same as chosen for the initial batch of A350), similar to the UA Polaris seat, in a 1-2-1 configuration
- The W seat is the same as in the B789, i.e a hard-shell seat with a very slightly improved version compared to B772 and B77W (version with P).
- Seating config: C14W28Y430

Remaining 77W (9 planes out of 43 B77W : F-GZNS, F-GZNT, F-GZNI, F-GZNR, F-GZNU, F-GZNJ, F-GZNH, F-GSQD and F-GSQE)
- These planes were the former "NEV4" ones. Retrofits started in March 2022 and were completed in June 2024.
- New J seat: Safran Cirrus 5C03 suites with a door in a 1-2-1 configuration
- W seat: Recaro PL3530 seats
- Seating config: C48W48Y273

B789
- Ten planes have been delivered to AF (F-HRBA to F-HRBJ). No further deliveries are planned for AF (the initial order was for 15 frames, but the 5 remaining ones have been assigned to KL).
- J seat is BEST cabins (Zodiac Cirrus seat, slightly smaller than the 777 one, due to fuselage width limitation). The main difference with the B777 is the smaller tablet.
- J seating is 1-2-1
- The W seat is a hard-shell seat with a very slightly improved version compared to B772 and B77W (version with P).
- Seating config: C30W21Y228

A332
- As of 11/2025, only 7 planes remain in service (F-GZCA/F/G/K/M/N/O), but F & N are not flying at the moment, so only 5 are active. They are mostly flying to SXM, BLR, BEY, and some Africa routes (LAD, PNR, BZV, LFW).
- J seating is 2-2-2, with the Stelia Equinoxe seat (a similar seat can be seen in the UX B787).
- The W seat is the same as in the B789, i.e a hard-shell seat with a very slightly improved version compared to B772 and B77W (version with P).
- Seating config: C36W21Y167

A359
39 planes have been delivered as of 11/07/2025:

First batch (20): F-HTYA/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/N/O/P/Q/R/S/T
- J seat is Zodiac Optima, same as in B77W COI version)
- J seating is 1-2-1
- The W seat is a Recaro recliner seat.
- Seating config: C34W24Y266

Second batch (19/21): F-HUVA/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/N/O/P/Q/R/S/
- The new seat (Stelia Opera) is a slightly improved version of the BEST seat, with a door for privacy (similar to the one placed in the last batch of retrofitted B77W, with small differences).
- J seating is 1-2-1
- The W seat is a Recaro recliner seat.
- Seating config: C48W32Y212


RETIRED PLANE TYPES
A343
Last plane was withdrawn in 2021.
A388
Last plane was withdrawn in 2020.
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Old Apr 12, 2020 | 11:57 am
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Originally Posted by canadavid
I do not intend to have a flight in P but I wonder if only 19 aircraft with 4 P seats is enough to maintain it as a product in case A380 are retired sooner than expected?
How many seats are offered by the competition which offers P class ?
There has been an unconfirmed plan to retrofit some of the remaining B77W with NEV4 with 8 P seats to compensate with the loss of the A380. This has never been confirmed, and now with the Cover-19 crisis, the future is even more incertain.
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Were there any plans for A350s to fly intercontinental routes before the pandemic?

To replace the A380s?
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Originally Posted by wco81
Were there any plans for A350s to fly intercontinental routes before the pandemic?
Not sure I understand your question. The A350 is flying with AF since september 2019.

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To replace the A380s?
it's always hard to say that one plane type is to replace another one. Planes being withdrawn form AF fleet were/are A340, A380 and in less than 5 years from now the oldest B772 (all B772 are 17 y.o. and older and 11 of them are > 20 y.o.) and the oldest A332 (the youngest is 15 y.o. and the 5 oldest are 18 y.o.). B787 and A350 were ordered for this.
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OK, was just curious. AF flies additional flights in the summer between SFO and CDG. I think it's been A380s replacing the 747s they used to fly.

Wondering what they will do if traffic volume eventually returns.
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Originally Posted by wco81
OK, was just curious. AF flies additional flights in the summer between SFO and CDG. I think it's been A380s replacing the 747s they used to fly.

Wondering what they will do if traffic volume eventually returns.
B777 and A350 for sure.
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So Delta announced they are retiring their 777 fleet (which they very recently retrofitted with D1 suites). Hope that when AF retires aircraft then they’ll least pick the ones with NEV4 seats.
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Originally Posted by Sjondorn
So Delta announced they are retiring their 777 fleet (which they very recently retrofitted with D1 suites).
how old are they in average ?
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Originally Posted by Goldorak
how old are they in average ?
Based on this list, the average age is approaching 13 years.

7 of the 18 entered the fleet in 1999, 1 entered in 2001, and the remaining 10 joined on various dates in 2008-2010
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Originally Posted by Sjondorn
So Delta announced they are retiring their 777 fleet (which they very recently retrofitted with D1 suites). Hope that when AF retires aircraft then theyll least pick the ones with NEV4 seats.
Ah! If only AF made practical fleet decisions...
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Ah! If only AF made practical fleet decisions...
If by "practical" you mean "only considering what is most comfortable for our passengers" then you may very well be disappointed. If by practical you mean what makes sense for them from a financial and operational point of view, one might argue that they do. A bit too much maybe.
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Originally Posted by San Gottardo
If by "practical" you mean "only considering what is most comfortable for our passengers" then you may very well be disappointed. If by practical you mean what makes sense for them from a financial and operational point of view, one might argue that they do. A bit too much maybe.
you may be right but Im not even sure about that. Joon ( and the a340/a350s), the latest 77W received a few years ago with the NEV product, the all a380 saga... Many ill advised decisions even from a financial point of view but I may be wrong.

a bit off topic, but I miss De Juniac management. At the time he found a good balance between costumer centric decisions and purely financially rational choices. Too bad he quitted quickly
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With the retreat of AF A380, I am wondering if AF will decide to retrofit some 77W to implement a 4 or 8 P cabin notably to serve strong demand on some destinations like LAX
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Originally Posted by Bullspread
With the retreat of AF A380, I am wondering if AF will decide to retrofit some 77W to implement a 4 or 8 P cabin notably to serve strong demand on some destinations like LAX
This was discussed extensively during the last months in this thread or another one. This decision was rumored but has never been confirmed officially AFAIK. With Covid, who know what will happen now, but I believe this would be the best to do.
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I should fly to SXM in Sept and according to Expertflyer and AF site, SXM is still operated in A343 in September.
Does any one know if these birds enjoyed a retrofit recently . I am a bit lost between Joon delivery and plain AF machines.
can anyone help ?
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Originally Posted by Bullspread
I should fly to SXM in Sept and according to Expertflyer and AF site, SXM is still operated in A343 in September.
Does any one know if these birds enjoyed a retrofit recently . I am a bit lost between Joon delivery and plain AF machines.
can anyone help ?
At the end of 2019, the last A340 under AF livery was retired, leaving only 4 A340 under Joon livery and interiors. But I believe they are now all retired (F-GZLO and P are now stored in LDE and OSR, respectively, since end april/early may and it seems that F-GZLK and N have now been definitely withdrawn since 7 May - to be confirmed).
The inventories have not been updated yet (see the discussion in another thread about A380 withdrawal). You may expect an A332 to SXM instead.
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