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This wikipost presents an updated summary of AF plans for retrofitting the long-haul flet with new J (and W) seats. For more details, please refer to the thread below

Last update on March 12, 2018

B772
All B772 are already retrofitted with the BEST cabins (Zodiac Cirrus seat). 25 planes

B77W
- version with P : they are already all retrofitted with the BEST cabins (Zodiac Cirrus seat). 19 planes out of 43 77W.
- COI version (14J) : their retrofit was officially announced by AF during summer 2017. The seat will be a Zodiac Optima (same as chosen for the A350), similar to the UA Polaris seat. The config will be 1-2-1 and will remain at 14J. Planning : start around beginning 2019, end around end 2020. UPDATE: 09/2019 to end 2020. Other new information: the W seat will be changed and will be the same as in the B789.
- rest of the 77W : we are talking here about the 12 planes in NEV4 "loisirs" config (42J). They will be retrofitted but after all other planes. The study has just started and AF will not make the final choice of the seat before some years, depending on new seats models which will be available at the time of the choice. Planning : around 2022-2023. UPDATE : pre-choice studies still on-going. Choice will be made around June/July 2018.

B789
Direct deliveries with BEST cabins (Zodiac Cirrus seat, slightly smaller than the 777 one, due to fuselage width limitation). 5 planes.

A332
It was already announced that they will be retrofitted in 2-2-2 with the Stelia Equinoxe seat. A similar seat can be seen in the UX B787. AF said that the seat will be very nice with storage compartments and a proper removable divider to ensure privacy. Also, the W seats will be replaced by the same as in the B789. Planning : from beginning 2018 to 2019. UPDATE : delayed to dec 2018 - feb 2020. 15 planes

A343
These are old planes and AF still had 6 in operation by end-2017. They have NEV4. Some of these planes are transferred to JOON. It seems that they will keep the NEV4 in J with new Y and W seats. They should be replaced by A350 from 2019.

A350
Direct delivery with Zodiac Optima , similar to UA Polaris seat (see above B777 COI). Config 1-2-1.
Other new information: the W seat will be a Recaro recliner seat.

A388
The choice of the J seat is not made yet. UPDATE: Choice is scheduled for June 2018. 10 planes
The P cabin will finally remain on the lower deck.There will be 2 or 3 rows of P. The future P will be very similar as the B77W one (curtains, etc) but likely with some significant differences (options are currently studied. Choice will be done according to the feasibility / cost. It is too early to make any statement about the final configuration). Also there might be new seats available on the market at the time, so they will make the decision based on what will be available at the time of the choice, but they will keep all main aspects of the 77W P seat which has made its success.

Planning : start beginning 2020 until 2022. UPDATE : 10/2020 to 2022.

New W seat for A388 : choice not made yet.

JOON
The A340 going to JOON will keep the NEV4 seats for J, but will have new W and Y seats. The IFE will be brand new, including in J NEV4. Joon is starting long-haul ops end of March, so the 1st retrofitted A340 will be in service soon
The A350 for JOON will have new J seats (of course), and will be different from the AF mainline ones.
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Old Aug 25, 17, 3:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Goldorak View Post
Slightly OT, but QF has announced today a retrofit plan for their 12 A388. It seems complicated too as they will start only Q2-2019, but it will be finished end 2020.
https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/me...or-a380-fleet/
Come on.

On their A380 , AF has an art gallery.

This beats any seat refurbishment.
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Old Aug 25, 17, 9:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Goldorak View Post
Slightly OT, but QF has announced today a retrofit plan for their 12 A388. It seems complicated too as they will start only Q2-2019, but it will be finished end 2020.
https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/me...or-a380-fleet/
So AF is contemplating replacing angles seats by flat beds, while QF already has flat skybeds and contemplating a second generation?

What QF did for skybed is use traditional seats but adding some 50cm spacing between seats. Hence the current skybed seats are fully flat without having the feet going under the seat in front as with the "new" solo designs. Also means a lot of personal space, especially at the legs/feet compared to the new solo beds, but these "old" seats are very space-greedy and totally inefficient from the airline viewpoint. QF will get many more business seats with the new generation
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https://www.challenges.fr/entreprise...-autres_501979

JMJ has announced that the refurbishment of the a380 will be done by 2020 and that "they don't want to delay it anymore".
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I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the reasons why currently there are no BEST refurbishments going on (777 all done, A330 and A380 not yet started) is that they use the capacities to refurbish some planes with JOON cabins.
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https://www.challenges.fr/entreprise...-autres_501979

JMJ has announced that the refurbishment of the a380 will be done by 2020 and that "they don't want to delay it anymore".
the article don’t say that it will be done by 2020. It says “c’est inscrit à l’horizon 2020” which rather means to me it will start in 2020. And that would be consistent with the information I got from AF and that I posted in the post#1.
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Originally Posted by San Gottardo View Post
I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the reasons why currently there are no BEST refurbishments going on (777 all done, A330 and A380 not yet started) is that they use the capacities to refurbish some planes with JOON cabins.
You mean that they are refurbishing the A340? But is it worth it as Joon longhaul should only start in March 2018 and be quickly replaced by A350.
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Originally Posted by brunos View Post
You mean that they are refurbishing the A340? But is it worth it as Joon longhaul should only start in March 2018 and be quickly replaced by A350.
Maybe you're right. I was just being nice and trying to find an excuse why they can't refurbish any of the AF mainline widebodies. They are done with the B777s, they have not started the A330s and A380s. So what are they doing? Or is the delivery or seats or other elements of the new cabin the bottleneck? Or have they badly planned and they cannot kickoff the refurbishment program yet because some details still need to be decided? So I was thinking that maybe it's the JOON planes, the A320s and/or A340s
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In the recently delivered 77W in loisir configuration, some planes like F-GZNK are still using the old IFE in W and old Y (basically the same than the A380).
I hope those will get a refresh at some point.
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Originally Posted by San Gottardo View Post
Maybe you're right. I was just being nice and trying to find an excuse why they can't refurbish any of the AF mainline widebodies. They are done with the B777s, they have not started the A330s and A380s. So what are they doing? Or is the delivery or seats or other elements of the new cabin the bottleneck? Or have they badly planned and they cannot kickoff the refurbishment program yet because some details still need to be decided? So I was thinking that maybe it's the JOON planes, the A320s and/or A340s
What I heard, is that they did not have the cash needed until the recent deal.
Now that they will have it, it takes time to order the seats and there is a waiting queue at all seat manufacturers.
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Originally Posted by brunos View Post
You mean that they are refurbishing the A340?
Yes they do, in the context of transfer to Joon. See my 1st post in this thread.
Y and W are changed. J-NEV4 is kept. IFE is changed in all classes.
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NEV4 is indeed a old seat now. Recently I even found a NEV3 in a A380 from JFK. I feel like 10 years ago. Thanks AF to make me back in time...bad experience however as those seat are really not flat at all.

Honestly now I specifically track the 777 with BEST or I'am looking for KL or DL flights.
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So do the 777 and 787 fleets have the same W seat?
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So do the 777 and 787 fleets have the same W seat?
No. Read before Joon in post #1 .
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Yes I saw that but it's ambiguous. The post also indicates that some 777 have already been refit, so I want to know if those aircraft have the same W seat as the 787.

My takeaway from this though is that only the 787 has the new W seat. Is that correct?
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Yes I saw that but it's ambiguous. The post also indicates that some 777 have already been refit, so I want to know if those aircraft have the same W seat as the 787.
the retrofit of the 777 (BEST) included all seats (not only the J ones), but for the W it was just a slightly better cushioning. No difference in the “recline” vs the previous one.

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My takeaway from this though is that only the 787 has the new W seat. Is that correct?
Correct
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