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Old Aug 13, 17, 9:45 pm
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The A340 has started to leave AF fleet progressively since 2 years, so there is no plan to renovate the seats. Recently, in link with Joon launch, it's been announced that Joon will get some of those old A340 and will have new seats in Y and W but will keep the current J seat (although with new IFE).

So, A340 is indeed NEV4, which is a slightly angled seat. Never had any problem to sleep in. In this plane the config is 2-2-2.
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Old Aug 14, 17, 4:03 am
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Originally Posted by mlin32 View Post
Merci ! Good to know; wished AF moved faster but like you said.....those damn accountants....
It's not the accountant.
AF is extremely short ton cash and the debt level is worrisome and has to be reduced.

When the cash transaction with DL/VS/MU will close, AF will have cash available. Hopefuly that will relax the budget constraint. Whether they are ready to take two planes out of service simultaneously (like other airlines did) is another question.

AND MANY THANKS Goldorak.
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Old Aug 14, 17, 4:11 am
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"NEV4" seats are pretty much flat, just not completely horizontal, and I echo @Goldorak comment, never had any troubles sleeping in either NEV4 or even the older NEV3s
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Originally Posted by swiss_global View Post
Any information about AF 343 J seating today, i.e. in 2017? FYI, I'm quite slim but very tall (2m) ...
May I add that I'm also slim and almost 2m tall. Whilst NEV4 is indeed just not really flat, I sleep very well on it. In my experience they provide a more comfortable sleep for tall people than for example SQ,s fabled J seat. Having said that, they are underwhelming and outdated from a "lounging" point of view.
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Old Aug 14, 17, 5:56 am
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Is that really the proper place for the Nth discussion (N>50) of the benefits/disadvantages of NEV? Personally I dislike NEV4 with its 15+ degree angle, the restricted personal space, which should be a benefit of angled seats, the difficulty of climbing over neighbor when sitting in windows or middle seat.

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Thanks a lot, Goldorak, Ditto and zembla. That's the information I needed, much appreciated.
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Originally Posted by Goldorak View Post

Dear FTers

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I hope you will find those information useful.
The best news: this post. Thanks Goldorak!

The good news: the fact that most planes will have a J class better than NEV.

The bad news, but expected: it takes them ridiculously long to reconfigure their fleet. Is there any airline that has taken longer? It speaks volumes abou the real financial strength of AFKL, it's actually not great, they don't even have money to reconfigure their fleet.

The other bad news, also expected: there is no aircraft type in reconfiguration right now. Time wasted.

The bad news, which comes as a suprise: 2-2-2 on the A330?? Ouch! And I don't get that "economic viability of the routes where the A330 flies" argument. If a route cannot be operated profitably by AF mainline, why doesn't FMA France Millenials Airlines (aka JOON) pick it up? I thought that is why Air Sillyname was created?? In any case, if they pull the A330 from destinations like New York, Chicago and Rio de Janeiro and leave it to Africa (shorter flight times, less competition), then fair enough. Very selfish, I know

Originally Posted by swiss_global View Post
I'm not flying AF usually, so apologies if I'm asking what everybody knows ...

I struggle to find information about J class on the A340-300. This bird is not listed in this thread and the latest information I can find is about "NEV4" being installed ... Now, I don't know what NEV4 is, but it seems to be an old angled flat seat, right? If so, are there any plans for replacing them? I've not flown on an angled flat seat for certainly two or three years, but my memories are not really positive ...

Any information about AF 343 J seating today, i.e. in 2017? FYI, I'm quite slim but very tall (2m) ...
As far as I know all A340 have NEV4 seats.

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Originally Posted by brunos View Post
Is that really the proper place for the Nth discussion (N>50) of the benefits/disadvantages of NEV? Personally I dislike NEV4 with its 15+ degree angle, the restricted personal space, which should be a benefit of angled seats, the difficulty of climbing over neighbor when sitting in windows or middle seat.
Yes it is time to bump N once more. I always have to add that DeltaOne 767 seat > NEV4
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Old Aug 21, 17, 2:05 pm
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Looks like SFO is getting more BEST seats!

I have a CDG - SFO flight this Dec and was booked on the 777-300 with 2-3-2 NEV4 seating. For the past year, I've been tracking the deployment schedule of the new cabins. Ultimately, I decided the nonstop over-rode other considerations and booked it. Enough people here said the NEV4 was fine for lounging and this wasn't an overnight.

Based on all the updates here about the 777-300 fleet retro-fit being done and the NEV4 configuration being assigned to SFO, my only chance to experience the new seats would be equipment substitution. Which didn't look like it happened often.

Yesterday, I went to check flights for next summer and noticed the additional summer flight was showing 777-200 with Best. Primary flight was the A380. But that's different than this past summer where they've used an A380 and a 777-300 with NEV4. I then checked my Dec flight and sure enough, our seat maps had been changed to 1-2-1 on a retro-fitted 777-300 with La Premiere.

I checked the 3 days before and after and they're all showing BEST. When I went back to check next summer, it showed 6 days a week in July with BEST config and just one day a week with NEV4.

I only had time to check the one week in Dec and the one week in July next year but certainly looks like they've deployed new config to SFO. At least for that time period.
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Old Aug 22, 17, 4:13 pm
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Originally Posted by th14 View Post
Looks like SFO is getting more BEST seats!

I have a CDG - SFO flight this Dec and was booked on the 777-300 with 2-3-2 NEV4 seating. For the past year, I've been tracking the deployment schedule of the new cabins. Ultimately, I decided the nonstop over-rode other considerations and booked it. Enough people here said the NEV4 was fine for lounging and this wasn't an overnight.

Based on all the updates here about the 777-300 fleet retro-fit being done and the NEV4 configuration being assigned to SFO, my only chance to experience the new seats would be equipment substitution. Which didn't look like it happened often.

Yesterday, I went to check flights for next summer and noticed the additional summer flight was showing 777-200 with Best. Primary flight was the A380. But that's different than this past summer where they've used an A380 and a 777-300 with NEV4. I then checked my Dec flight and sure enough, our seat maps had been changed to 1-2-1 on a retro-fitted 777-300 with La Premiere.

I checked the 3 days before and after and they're all showing BEST. When I went back to check next summer, it showed 6 days a week in July with BEST config and just one day a week with NEV4.

I only had time to check the one week in Dec and the one week in July next year but certainly looks like they've deployed new config to SFO. At least for that time period.
I went ahead and checked the winter schedule and indeed BEST is also scheduled 6 days a week with NEV on a rolling basis (one week Thursday, week after Friday, etc etc). P is also bookable on days BEST is operating during winter schedule.
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Old Aug 22, 17, 4:58 pm
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Quick question about the 77Ws "loisir" remaining in NEV 4: Have these been all retrofitted in Y?

I have a few flights across the pond in Y to ATL / MIA and I would choose the AF flights (currently NEV4 configuration in J) if I know they have the new seats in Y.
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Am I the only one who thinks the J seat for the A350 is worse than the Zodiac Cirrus?

I am suprised by how they are going for a lower footprint/more cramped seat for the A350, while keeping the 777 and 789 fleet with the better product.


Any idea if the A350 shall be deployed to less premium markets?
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Old Aug 23, 17, 3:51 am
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Originally Posted by SDQBound View Post
Quick question about the 77Ws "loisir" remaining in NEV 4: Have these been all retrofitted in Y?

I have a few flights across the pond in Y to ATL / MIA and I would choose the AF flights (currently NEV4 configuration in J) if I know they have the new seats in Y.
At least, half of those 12 planes have the BEST Y seat. Those are the 77W recently delivered to AF since 2015 (F-GZNP/Q/R/S/T/U). For the 6 others, I think no.

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Am I the only one who thinks the J seat for the A350 is worse than the Zodiac Cirrus?
I am suprised by how they are going for a lower footprint/more cramped seat for the A350, while keeping the 777 and 789 fleet with the better product.
Any idea if the A350 shall be deployed to less premium markets?
At that stage, without having seen the product, it's hard to make any comment. And as to guess where they will fly in some years from now, it's absolutely impossible to predict.

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Old Aug 23, 17, 7:54 am
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Originally Posted by GRUflyer View Post
Am I the only one who thinks the J seat for the A350 is worse than the Zodiac Cirrus?

I am suprised by how they are going for a lower footprint/more cramped seat for the A350, while keeping the 777 and 789 fleet with the better product.


Any idea if the A350 shall be deployed to less premium markets?
or to JOON
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Old Aug 25, 17, 2:18 pm
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Slightly OT, but QF has announced today a retrofit plan for their 12 A388. It seems complicated too as they will start only Q2-2019, but it will be finished end 2020.
https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/me...or-a380-fleet/
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