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Old Mar 12, 2018, 1:46 pm
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This wikipost presents an updated summary of AF configurations and plans for deliveries and retrofitting the long-haul fleet with new J (and W) seats. For more details, please refer to the thread below

Last update on 15 JUL 2025

All the long-haul fleet is equipped with lie-flat seats in J. All the long-haul fleet is in 1-2-1 configuration in J with direct aisle access, with the exception of the A332 which are in 2-2-2 configuration.

B772
21 planes, all B772 with the BEST cabins (Zodiac Cirrus seat). A refit programme is nearing completion to standardise the 772 fleet with a 28J 32W 268M configuration, with the final frames in the hanger for refurbishment
- J seating is 1-2-1
- W seat is a hard-shell seat (the 1st generation of W seats installed by AF)
- Seating Config: C28W32Y268

B77W
4P Version with "Old" P (19 planes out of 43 77W : F-GSQA, F-GSQB, F-GSQC, F-GSQF, F-GSQG, F-GSQH, F-GSQI, F-GSQJ, F-GSQK, F-GSQL, F-GSQM, F-GSQU, F-GSQV, F-GSQY, F-GZNA, F-GZNB, F-GZNC, F-GZND, and F-GZNE)
- J seating is 1-2-1 (Zodiac Cirrus seat), aka BEST cabin, same as B772
- W seat is a hard-shell seat (the 1st generation of W seats installed by AF)
- Seating config: F4C58W28Y206

4P Version with "New" P (3 planes : F-GZNK, F-GZNP, F-GZNQ).
[F-GZND arrived @ ORY 08 APR for mods]
- New La Premier cabin with chaise lounge
- New J seat: Safran Cirrus 5C03 suites with a door in a 1-2-1 configuration
- W seat: Recaro PL3530 seats
- Seating config: F4C60W44Y204

COI version (14J) (12 planes out of 43 B77W : F-GSQO, F-GSQP, F-GSQT, F-GSQX, F-GZNG. F-GSQS, F-GZNF, F-GSQR, F-GSQN, F-GZNO, F-GZNL and F-GZNN).
- The J seat is Zodiac Optima (same as chosen for the initial batch of A350), similar to the UA Polaris seat, in a 1-2-1 configuration
- The W seat is the same as in the B789, i.e a hard-shell seat with a very slightly improved version compared to B772 and B77W (version with P).
- Seating config: C14W28Y430

Remaining 77W (9 planes out of 43 B77W : F-GZNS, F-GZNT, F-GZNI, F-GZNR, F-GZNU, F-GZNJ, F-GZNH, F-GSQD and F-GSQE)
- These planes were the former "NEV4" ones. Retrofits started in March 2022 and were completed in June 2024.
- New J seat: Safran Cirrus 5C03 suites with a door in a 1-2-1 configuration
- W seat: Recaro PL3530 seats
- Seating config: C48W48Y273

B789
- Ten planes have been delivered to AF (F-HRBA to F-HRBJ). No further deliveries are planned for AF (the initial order was for 15 frames, but the 5 remaining ones have been assigned to KL).
- J seat is BEST cabins (Zodiac Cirrus seat, slightly smaller than the 777 one, due to fuselage width limitation). The main difference with the B777 is the smaller tablet.
- J seating is 1-2-1
- The W seat is a hard-shell seat with a very slightly improved version compared to B772 and B77W (version with P).
- Seating config: C30W21Y228

A332
- As of 11/2025, only 7 planes remain in service (F-GZCA/F/G/K/M/N/O), but F & N are not flying at the moment, so only 5 are active. They are mostly flying to SXM, BLR, BEY, and some Africa routes (LAD, PNR, BZV, LFW).
- J seating is 2-2-2, with the Stelia Equinoxe seat (a similar seat can be seen in the UX B787).
- The W seat is the same as in the B789, i.e a hard-shell seat with a very slightly improved version compared to B772 and B77W (version with P).
- Seating config: C36W21Y167

A359
39 planes have been delivered as of 11/07/2025:

First batch (20): F-HTYA/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/N/O/P/Q/R/S/T
- J seat is Zodiac Optima, same as in B77W COI version)
- J seating is 1-2-1
- The W seat is a Recaro recliner seat.
- Seating config: C34W24Y266

Second batch (19/21): F-HUVA/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/N/O/P/Q/R/S/
- The new seat (Stelia Opera) is a slightly improved version of the BEST seat, with a door for privacy (similar to the one placed in the last batch of retrofitted B77W, with small differences).
- J seating is 1-2-1
- The W seat is a Recaro recliner seat.
- Seating config: C48W32Y212


RETIRED PLANE TYPES
A343
Last plane was withdrawn in 2021.
A388
Last plane was withdrawn in 2020.
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Old Nov 3, 2017 | 2:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Goldorak
the retrofit of the 777 (BEST) included all seats (not only the J ones), but for the W it was just a slightly better cushioning. No difference in the “recline” vs the previous one.


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For the 77Q, the seat map on SeatGuru shows an old business class configuration compared to the other 777-300s. Has the 77Q (booked on CDG-ATL) been updated recently, or is it a worn out product?
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Originally Posted by scalar
For the 77Q, the seat map on SeatGuru shows an old business class configuration compared to the other 777-300s. Has the 77Q (booked on CDG-ATL) been updated recently, or is it a worn out product?
I don’t know what a 77Q is, but yes, there are a significant number of 77W who don’t have the BEST J seat and still have the NEV4. Read this thread, everything is in.
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Does anyone have more information on Joon? I'm apparently flying them SEZ - CDG in July 2017 (though I booked on AF!) in an A340. Any chance they'll have the A350 by then?
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Does anyone have more information on Joon? I'm apparently flying them SEZ - CDG in July 2017 (though I booked on AF!) in an A340. Any chance they'll have the A350 by then?
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Originally Posted by SFCav
Does anyone have more information on Joon? I'm apparently flying them SEZ - CDG in July 2017 (though I booked on AF!) in an A340. Any chance they'll have the A350 by then?
Chance in July 2017 is -100% and in July 2018 is 0%.
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Air France is expected to get A350 only in 2019.
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The last version of the presentation has been released by AF (in French).
In 2018, they will start revamping A332s with the new 2-2-2 cabin with full flat seats.
In 2019, they will revamp the 14J COI 77s, but all the 42J Leasure 777s will be kept as-is (what a joke!).
No news for the A380, which is really bad news...
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Originally Posted by olivedel
The last version of the presentation has been released by AF (in French).
In 2018, they will start revamping A332s with the new 2-2-2 cabin with full flat seats.
In 2019, they will revamp the 14J COI 77s, but all the 42J Leasure 777s will be kept as-is (what a joke!).
No news for the A380, which is really bad news...
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Originally Posted by olivedel
The last version of the presentation has been released by AF (in French).
In 2018, they will start revamping A332s with the new 2-2-2 cabin with full flat seats.
In 2019, they will revamp the 14J COI 77s, but all the 42J Leasure 777s will be kept as-is (what a joke!).
No news for the A380, which is really bad news...
I have a feeling that AF wants to get rid of the A380.
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Originally Posted by olivedel
The last version of the presentation has been released by AF (in French).
In 2018, they will start revamping A332s with the new 2-2-2 cabin with full flat seats.
In 2019, they will revamp the 14J COI 77s, but all the 42J Leasure 777s will be kept as-is (what a joke!).
No news for the A380, which is really bad news...
Most of us cannot see the link as you need a IATA number to register.
Do they just mention a starting year or be more precise (like mid-year)?

It is hard to believe that they have no plans to retrofit the 42J 77W; they are used on a lot of international destinations and sometimes sub for the few 77W with BEST or the 772.
Sad to hear about A380. So the majority of AF F seats will remain outdated.
They have been many gossips and rumors on the A380. One that probably many heard is that AF plans to remove F and that they have been waiting to see the reaction to their new F pricing policy.
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Originally Posted by brunos
they have been waiting to see the reaction to their new F pricing policy.
Did I miss something here?
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In 2017 they started to offer discounted F fares from many of their outstations, especially those using A380.
They had some infrequent ones from the USA, but it has become much more systematic.
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I have obtained a planning update from AF (thank you ). I have created a wiki in order to handle in an easier way the updated information about planning. Unfortunately, you will see in the wiki that most of the actions are delayed.
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Originally Posted by Goldorak
I have obtained a planning update from AF (thank you ). I have created a wiki in order to handle in an easier way the updated information about planning. Unfortunately, you will see in the wiki that most of the actions are delayed.
Thank you for keeping us posted Goldorak . And delays suck but at this point... what's a few more months extra ! The one I'm really looking forward to the most is the A380 since they have so many of them going to NYC... and I really can't wait to see that they will come up with, especially with P and especially if they keep it downstairs, there's so much space available.
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Old Mar 19, 2018 | 12:40 am
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I took the liberty to add the number of planes.

Everything seems delayed by almost a year. As long as the seat choice has not been made and ordered, nothing is certain. Even then (A332), the delay is worrying.

AFIK A340s are still flying under AF metal, right? AT least some of them?
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