Mar 12, 18, 2:46 pm
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This wikipost presents an updated summary of AF plans for retrofitting the long-haul fleet with new J (and W) seats. For more details, please refer to the thread below
Last update on 9 NOV 2023
B772
21 planes. All B772 are already retrofitted with the BEST cabins (Zodiac Cirrus seat). A refit programme is underway to standardise the 772 fleet with a 28J 32W 268M configuration, with refits expected to be complete before summer 2024.
B77W
Version with P (19 planes out of 43 77W): 19/19 completed (F-GSQA, F-GSQB, F-GSQC, F-GSQF, F-GSQG, F-GSQH, F-GSQI, F-GSQJ, F-GSQK, F-GSQL, F-GSQM, F-GSQU, F-GSQV, F-GSQY, F-GZNA, F-GZNB, F-GZNC, F-GZND, F-GZNE)Last update on 9 NOV 2023
B772
21 planes. All B772 are already retrofitted with the BEST cabins (Zodiac Cirrus seat). A refit programme is underway to standardise the 772 fleet with a 28J 32W 268M configuration, with refits expected to be complete before summer 2024.
B77W
- They are already all retrofitted with the BEST cabins (Zodiac Cirrus seat).
- Seating config: F4C58W28Y206
COI version (14J) (12 planes out of 43 B77W): all retrofitted (F-GSQO, F-GSQP, F-GSQT, F-GSQX, F-GZNG. F-GSQS, F-GZNF, F-GSQR, F-GSQN, F-GZNO, F-GZNL and F-GZNN).
- The J seat is Zodiac Optima (same as chosen for the A350), similar to the UA Polaris seat. The config is 1-2-1 and total 14J.
- The W seat is the same as in the B789.
- Seating config: C14W32Y422
Remaining 77W (the 12 planes in NEV4 "loisirs" config (42J)): 10/12 completed
- The new seat will be a slightly improved version of the BEST seat, with a door for privacy.
- Retrofits started in March 2022 and are projected to finish by the end of 2023 per AF and other sources.
- Retrofit completed : F-GZNK, F-GZNP, F-GZNQ, F-GZNS, F-GZNT, F-GZNI, F-GZNR, F-GZNU, F-GZNJ, F-GZNH
- Aircraft in retrofit: none
- Aircraft yet to be converted: F-GSQD, F-GSQE
- Seating config: C48W48Y273
B789
- Direct deliveries with BEST cabins (Zodiac Cirrus seat, slightly smaller than the 777 one, due to fuselage width limitation).
- Ten planes have been delivered to AF (F-HRBA to F-HRBJ).
- AF initially ordered 15 B789, with the remaining to go to KL.
A332
- 15 planes. Retrofitted in 2-2-2 with the Stelia Equinoxe seat. A similar seat can be seen in the UX B787. Also, the W seats are the same as the B789.
A343
Remaining 77W (the 12 planes in NEV4 "loisirs" config (42J)): 10/12 completed
- The new seat will be a slightly improved version of the BEST seat, with a door for privacy.
- Retrofits started in March 2022 and are projected to finish by the end of 2023 per AF and other sources.
- Retrofit completed : F-GZNK, F-GZNP, F-GZNQ, F-GZNS, F-GZNT, F-GZNI, F-GZNR, F-GZNU, F-GZNJ, F-GZNH
- Aircraft in retrofit: none
- Aircraft yet to be converted: F-GSQD, F-GSQE
- Seating config: C48W48Y273
B789
- Direct deliveries with BEST cabins (Zodiac Cirrus seat, slightly smaller than the 777 one, due to fuselage width limitation).
- Ten planes have been delivered to AF (F-HRBA to F-HRBJ).
- AF initially ordered 15 B789, with the remaining to go to KL.
A332
- 15 planes. Retrofitted in 2-2-2 with the Stelia Equinoxe seat. A similar seat can be seen in the UX B787. Also, the W seats are the same as the B789.
- More info on A332 retrofit can be found in this thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-...-retrofit.html
- Since October 2020, all aircraft have the new cabin.All retired per ch-aviation.
A359
- Overall, AF will have 38 A359. 22 planes have been delivered as of 22/09/2023:
First batch (20): F-HTYA/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/N/O/P/Q/R/S/T
- Direct delivery with Zodiac Optima, similar to UA Polaris seat (see above B777 COI). Config 1-2-1.
- The W seat is a Recaro recliner seat.
- All the A359 ordered for both AF & KL are finally going to AF (while KL will receive all the B789 remaining to be delivered on the AF sub-order).
- As per an information post by frausflyer , the 20th A350 (likely F-HTYT) to be delivered to AF will have a P cabin. https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/33283076-post467.html. However, this eventually did not happen, and F-HTYT has the same cabin as the 19 aircraft that preceded it.
Second batch (5/18): F-HUVA/B/C/D/E
- The 21st A359 (F-HUVA) has the new 48J cabin with small differences compared to the B77W one. According to Aerolopa, it and 17 A350s to follow will not have P. The configuration will be C48W32Y212 (vs. C34W24Y266 for previously delivered A350s)
All A380 will leave the fleet by 2022 and so, will not be retrofitted with new seats. F-HPJB is the 1st to leave the fleet : it has been returned to the lessor in January 2020.
All retired June 26 2020 due to COVID-19.
updated information about new J seats deployments and other information
Nov 3, 17, 3:29 pm
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For the 77Q, the seat map on SeatGuru shows an old business class configuration compared to the other 777-300s. Has the 77Q (booked on CDG-ATL) been updated recently, or is it a worn out product?
Nov 3, 17, 9:23 pm
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I don’t know what a 77Q is, but yes, there are a significant number of 77W who don’t have the BEST J seat and still have the NEV4. Read this thread, everything is in.
Nov 5, 17, 9:52 am
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Does anyone have more information on Joon? I'm apparently flying them SEZ - CDG in July 2017 (though I booked on AF!) in an A340. Any chance they'll have the A350 by then?
Nov 5, 17, 5:00 pm
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The last version of the presentation has been released by AF (in French).
In 2018, they will start revamping A332s with the new 2-2-2 cabin with full flat seats.
In 2019, they will revamp the 14J COI 77s, but all the 42J Leasure 777s will be kept as-is (what a joke!).
No news for the A380, which is really bad news...
In 2018, they will start revamping A332s with the new 2-2-2 cabin with full flat seats.
In 2019, they will revamp the 14J COI 77s, but all the 42J Leasure 777s will be kept as-is (what a joke!).
No news for the A380, which is really bad news...
Jan 4, 18, 2:12 pm
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The last version of the presentation has been released by AF (in French).
In 2018, they will start revamping A332s with the new 2-2-2 cabin with full flat seats.
In 2019, they will revamp the 14J COI 77s, but all the 42J Leasure 777s will be kept as-is (what a joke!).
No news for the A380, which is really bad news...
In 2018, they will start revamping A332s with the new 2-2-2 cabin with full flat seats.
In 2019, they will revamp the 14J COI 77s, but all the 42J Leasure 777s will be kept as-is (what a joke!).
No news for the A380, which is really bad news...
Jan 4, 18, 8:30 pm
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The last version of the presentation has been released by AF (in French).
In 2018, they will start revamping A332s with the new 2-2-2 cabin with full flat seats.
In 2019, they will revamp the 14J COI 77s, but all the 42J Leasure 777s will be kept as-is (what a joke!).
No news for the A380, which is really bad news...
In 2018, they will start revamping A332s with the new 2-2-2 cabin with full flat seats.
In 2019, they will revamp the 14J COI 77s, but all the 42J Leasure 777s will be kept as-is (what a joke!).
No news for the A380, which is really bad news...
Jan 4, 18, 9:33 pm
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The last version of the presentation has been released by AF (in French).
In 2018, they will start revamping A332s with the new 2-2-2 cabin with full flat seats.
In 2019, they will revamp the 14J COI 77s, but all the 42J Leasure 777s will be kept as-is (what a joke!).
No news for the A380, which is really bad news...
In 2018, they will start revamping A332s with the new 2-2-2 cabin with full flat seats.
In 2019, they will revamp the 14J COI 77s, but all the 42J Leasure 777s will be kept as-is (what a joke!).
No news for the A380, which is really bad news...
Do they just mention a starting year or be more precise (like mid-year)?
It is hard to believe that they have no plans to retrofit the 42J 77W; they are used on a lot of international destinations and sometimes sub for the few 77W with BEST or the 772.
Sad to hear about A380. So the majority of AF F seats will remain outdated.
They have been many gossips and rumors on the A380. One that probably many heard is that AF plans to remove F and that they have been waiting to see the reaction to their new F pricing policy.
Jan 5, 18, 4:28 am
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In 2017 they started to offer discounted F fares from many of their outstations, especially those using A380.
They had some infrequent ones from the USA, but it has become much more systematic.
They had some infrequent ones from the USA, but it has become much more systematic.
Mar 12, 18, 2:52 pm
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I have obtained a planning update from AF (thank you 
). I have created a wiki in order to handle in an easier way the updated information about planning. Unfortunately, you will see in the wiki that most of the actions are delayed.
). I have created a wiki in order to handle in an easier way the updated information about planning. Unfortunately, you will see in the wiki that most of the actions are delayed.
Mar 13, 18, 8:55 am
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. And delays suck but at this point... what's a few more months extra 
! The one I'm really looking forward to the most is the A380 since they have so many of them going to NYC... and I really can't wait to see that they will come up with, especially with P and especially if they keep it downstairs, there's so much space available.
Mar 19, 18, 1:40 am
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I took the liberty to add the number of planes.
Everything seems delayed by almost a year. As long as the seat choice has not been made and ordered, nothing is certain. Even then (A332), the delay is worrying.
AFIK A340s are still flying under AF metal, right? AT least some of them?
Everything seems delayed by almost a year. As long as the seat choice has not been made and ordered, nothing is certain. Even then (A332), the delay is worrying.
AFIK A340s are still flying under AF metal, right? AT least some of them?
