Jumper Jack

And AC has no problem to charge insane price of pe on tpac that is at 2X, some times even 3x of tango. Generally no way for people like me to pay for the old 777 experience at a reasonable price on TPAC, Trans atlantic is another story however.

This race to the bottom makes me feel like casualty of friendily fire as someone who is okay to pay 10-15% more just for a humane experience- the old 777 long haul experience before it went to complete trash

eigenvector

You can still buy a exit row/bulkhead preferred seat for the "old 777 experience" (actually much better than the old 777). It's usually $120 for YVR-HKG.

winnipegrev

Tango isn't sustainable per unit of space or weight. Do you honestly think AC can make money filling a 777 entirely with $0.07/mile Tango fares? No, when you book that you are subsidized by the flex, latitude, PY flex and business passengers surrounding you. The Tango fares are filler.

Just because PY only uses 1.5x the space of Y doesn't mean they should only charge 1.5x the price of the cheapest Y ticket. J uses 3 times the space of Y and similarly I don't expect to buy J for 3x Tango price.

For those very few like you who actually want to pay 10-15% more for a bit of extra space, there's 20-30 Y+ seats for sale as an add-on to even Tango fares. Yet they are consistently available - what does that tell you about the paying public.

Jumper Jack

Well, I did try it, and still thinks that its worse than old 777 in every way and honestly, barely a marginal improvement over non p seat.
If AC really want to charge 150-200 more, they need to make it 3 3 3 like how AA does.(which to me is the best solution)

canadiancow

Why would PY not be "significantly" more than Tango?

Shouldn't it be more than Flex for N/E and more than full Y Latitude for O?

Jumper Jack

Well to be fair, thats what I would expect.
If you look at routes like YYZ-PVG, thats exactly how much more AC charges (3X), which I think is long overdue in biz.
That Y+ seating in HD is not worth the extra 15% to me unless its 3-3-3 seating arrangement.

Wpgjetse

If you think tango fares on TPAC flights are profitable for AC, you are leading the charge to the bottom and you are not a casualty of friendly fire.

Jumper Jack

Uhm... No?
A fair comparison would be to PE Flex compare to latitude?
I am talking about PE Lowest

Jumper Jack

I think that at 15-25% more than current price at 3-3-3 would not be any more unprofitable than 3-4-3 at current price

canadiancow

A fair comparison for PY lowest (N and E fares) is to Flex, not Tango.

And by "fair comparison", I mean it should cost a fair bit more.

winnipegrev

LOL they can't sell 3-3-3 for a 15-25% premium over 3-4-3! How exactly do BA, CX, CZ prices compare on routes they try to compete directly against AC's 17-17.3" wide 777/787? People chose the 777HD instead of 763 last summer YUL-CDG for literally identical fare bucket pricing, just choosing on departure times differing 2 hours. NO ONE (really, very few to be accurate) cares about 10-abreast 777s.

If they could fill 9-abreast just as profitably as 10-abreast AC wouldn't be spending 10s of millions of dollars retrofitting to 10-abreast. There was still a ton of life left in those old seats. And the AVOD units in particular are a fortune.

Wpgjetse

Get use to 10 across seating on the 777. Boeing now markets the aircraft with 10 across seating. With the current model of 777's, most are delivered with 10 across. Airlines that have the current most of 777's with 9 across seating, the majority are thinking about adding a row. The only US airline I know with the current of 777 is UA(on order) and they will be delivered with 10 across seating.

Jumper Jack

You mean they could not fit 3 rows of 9 abreast on 777 at 15-25% more?

Diabeetus

The trouble is that this 15-25% discount in fares had made it "affordable" for more lower income or frugal/cheap people to travel. These people would otherwise not fly YVR-HKG if it weren't often $800-1000 RT (and sometimes even less)

A partially filled 3-3-3 Y at a 15-25% higher fare will make less money than a full 3-4-3 Y at a lower fare.

Jumper Jack

I understand that. What I am troubled by is why not enough airlines follow the AA model of having 2 to 3 rows at 3-3-3 for people who are willing to pay the old price before 15-25% mark down we see today.