Feb 21, 2017, 2:36 pm
Last edit by: cesco.g
Current 77W Routes:
SFO/HKG (UA 862/869) Started 25MAR17
EWR/TLV (UA 90/91) Started 5MAY17
SFO/NRT (UA 837/838) Started 14JUN17
SFO/TPE (UA 871/872) Started 1AUG17
SFO/FRA (UA 58/59) Started 5OCT17
EWR/NRT (UA 79/78) Started 28OCT17
SFO/AKL (UA 916/917) Resumes seasonal service 27OCT18 - 29MAR19 (non-seasonal 3x weekly service operated by 772)
SFO/LHR (UA 901/949) Started 23APR18, ends 26OCT18, resumes 30MAR19
SFO/TLV (UA 954/955) Started 23MAY18
EWR/BOM (UA 48/49) Started 27OCT18
EWR/HKG (UA 179/180) Started 30MAR19
Current Non-77W routes
772 Retrofit:
EWR/BRU (UA 999/998) Started 30MAR19
EWR/CDG (UA 57/56) Started 30MAR19
IAD/BRU (UA 950/951) Started 30MAR19
IAD/CDG (UA 915/914) Starts 29APR19
IAD/TLV (UA 72/73) Starts 22MAY19, 3x weekly
SFO/PEK (UA 888/889) Started 30MAR19
SFO/FRA (UA 926/927) Started 30MAR19
SFO/CDG (UA 990/984) Starts 29APR19
SFO/ICN (UA 805/806) Started 1APR19, 4x weekly
SFO/AKL (UA 916/917) Started off-season service 30MAR19, 3x weekly
Past routes:
EWR/FRA (UA 960/961) 24MAR18 - 31JUL18 (now operated by 78J)
SFO/EWR (various), currently operated by 752, 78J, 77G
SFO/HKG (UA 862/869) Started 25MAR17
EWR/TLV (UA 90/91) Started 5MAY17
SFO/NRT (UA 837/838) Started 14JUN17
SFO/TPE (UA 871/872) Started 1AUG17
SFO/FRA (UA 58/59) Started 5OCT17
EWR/NRT (UA 79/78) Started 28OCT17
SFO/AKL (UA 916/917) Resumes seasonal service 27OCT18 - 29MAR19 (non-seasonal 3x weekly service operated by 772)
SFO/LHR (UA 901/949) Started 23APR18, ends 26OCT18, resumes 30MAR19
SFO/TLV (UA 954/955) Started 23MAY18
EWR/BOM (UA 48/49) Started 27OCT18
EWR/HKG (UA 179/180) Started 30MAR19
Current Non-77W routes
772 Retrofit:
EWR/BRU (UA 999/998) Started 30MAR19
EWR/CDG (UA 57/56) Started 30MAR19
IAD/BRU (UA 950/951) Started 30MAR19
IAD/CDG (UA 915/914) Starts 29APR19
IAD/TLV (UA 72/73) Starts 22MAY19, 3x weekly
SFO/PEK (UA 888/889) Started 30MAR19
SFO/FRA (UA 926/927) Started 30MAR19
SFO/CDG (UA 990/984) Starts 29APR19
SFO/ICN (UA 805/806) Started 1APR19, 4x weekly
SFO/AKL (UA 916/917) Started off-season service 30MAR19, 3x weekly
Past routes:
EWR/FRA (UA 960/961) 24MAR18 - 31JUL18 (now operated by 78J)
SFO/EWR (various), currently operated by 752, 78J, 77G
United 77x Future/Changed Routes w/ Polaris Seats
Apr 4, 2017, 12:32 pm
#331
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Cathay has done the math and is going 10 across on its 777 fleet
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/cathay-pacific-to-raise-777-economy-seating-capacity-435746/
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/cathay-pacific-to-raise-777-economy-seating-capacity-435746/
Apr 4, 2017, 12:51 pm
#332
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Perhaps I am in he minority here, I hope none of the exiting 747 routes will be replaced by 77W until the absolutely retirement date comes. The current batch of 77W should replace the PMUA 772s operates routes, so that these 772s can jumpstart the refitting work. Hypothetically, by the time 744s are fully retire from the scheduled flights, UA at least will already have a small fleet of 772s fitt d with Polaris cabin/.
Under the current plan, none of the 772s will be fitted with Polaris cabins when the 744s are retired.
Under the current plan, none of the 772s will be fitted with Polaris cabins when the 744s are retired.
FWIW, Air India is reporting a material increase in bookings and average fares on its US-bound flights due to the infamous electronics ban, so maybe UA might reconsider backing off its initial (rumored) plans to put the 77W on EWR-India flights.
Apr 4, 2017, 3:54 pm
#333
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Zodiac is having enough trouble delivering seats for new 77Ws , and I am certain all manufacturing efforts are directed at getting interiors for these birds first before retrofits begin. At the same time, swapping a sUA 772 with a 77W is a huge capacity jump, so replacing 747 with 77W probably makes more sense in most cases. Exceptions might be former 747 routes like ORD-NRT/HKG that are 777s now, or SFO-SYD. Still, the 77Ws should be pretty well occupied by replacing most of the current slate of 744 flying.
FWIW, Air India is reporting a material increase in bookings and average fares on its US-bound flights due to the infamous electronics ban, so maybe UA might reconsider backing off its initial (rumored) plans to put the 77W on EWR-India flights.
FWIW, Air India is reporting a material increase in bookings and average fares on its US-bound flights due to the infamous electronics ban, so maybe UA might reconsider backing off its initial (rumored) plans to put the 77W on EWR-India flights.
Apr 4, 2017, 3:58 pm
#334
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US-Australia is a big $$$ seat.. but UA does not have huge issues filling the 787-9s.. most times I have flow they clear ~3-6 upgrades and rarely non-revs (non-revs must hate the 787s as no front cabin to clear into).
Its funny with all the argy-bargy over the electronics ban, for me Polaris would seem ideal for US-Middle east in order to compete with Emirates et al..
Apr 4, 2017, 4:03 pm
#335
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As I understand it, if UA were to fly to any of the listed airports in the Middle East (which currently no US airline does), then the electronics ban would equally apply to UA on those flights.
Apr 4, 2017, 7:09 pm
#336
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Correct. The ban does not impact any US airlines because the ban is against airports that no US carriers fly to, not because they are US airlines.
Apr 6, 2017, 12:30 am
#337
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Just made reservations between NRT and SFO for July 2017 and the a/c is still showing 744.
Apr 6, 2017, 9:46 am
#338
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Apr 6, 2017, 9:56 am
#339
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The US3 are clearly getting what they want out of the new administration, and it's interesting to watch. We'll see what happens, we'll see.
Apr 6, 2017, 1:20 pm
#340
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Regardless, the question remains -whatever the reason UA couldn't be financially successful with its DXB route, what about Polaris changes that? Polaris certainly won't make it more likely to win back the government contract.
Apr 9, 2017, 8:12 pm
#341
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Today is schedule change day! Let's see if the 77W gets loaded in for NRT........
Apr 10, 2017, 4:58 am
#342
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3 UA 77W's now put into short term storage... obviously because of the seat issues. Looks like 5 is all they are getting until this is sorted!
Apr 10, 2017, 5:23 am
#343
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Wow, this is not a good sign so early on into the Polaris program. Who wants to start a pool on if/how soon UA will have to pull an AA and switch to a seat that can deliver?
Apr 14, 2017, 9:01 pm
#344
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as jose had previously posted, 77W to begin SFO-NRT 14 JUN.
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...rom-june-2017/
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...rom-june-2017/
UA837 SFO1145 – 1435+1NRT 77W D
UA838 NRT1710 – 1055SFO 77W D
UA838 NRT1710 – 1055SFO 77W D
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Apr 14, 2017 at 10:52 pm Reason: Discuss the issues, not the poster(s)
Apr 15, 2017, 1:01 am
#345
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as jose had previously posted, 77W to begin SFO-NRT 14 JUN.
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...rom-june-2017/
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...rom-june-2017/
So looks like I'll still have the 744 on June 7.