Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
May 19, 2020, 8:26 pm
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How about Tower Air?
They flew predominantly to TLV, used only B747's and even had a dedicated terminal building at JFK (I think the building still exists and is used for cargo purposes).
The only thing that does not match are occasional domestic flights to LAX and MIA they operated.
How about Tower Air?
They flew predominantly to TLV, used only B747's and even had a dedicated terminal building at JFK (I think the building still exists and is used for cargo purposes).
The only thing that does not match are occasional domestic flights to LAX and MIA they operated.
May 19, 2020, 11:33 pm
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Sorry 'bout that - force of habit!
And as I haven't said so yet, THANKS for this excellent set of questions. You keep coming with them so regularly that it would be oh so easy for some to perhaps to take your efforts for granted, but as one who appreciates firsthand the time and effort that go into researching, formulating and addressing responses to these questions, you are indeed the Quizmeister. Thanks again!
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And so if it was a Transaero DC-10, the other Russian carrier who had them at the time possibly was Kras Air, who likewise got a couple from KLM and had an unsuccessful shot at USA flights, this could have been one of them. They also went over to the US shortly afterwards, into the Continental fleet. Here : https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/68577
Kras Air was one of the typical liberated "Old Aeroflot" trying-hard regional offshoots, this being the onetime Krasnoyarsk division (it's a big city in Siberia). Several of them carried on with their regional-based flights, and also opened up a Moscow base as well - the trunk route from their original base to Moscow generally being their No 1 route. There were lots of comings and goings as airlines there settled down.
Now knowledgeable JL may not have heard of Kras Air, but if you flick back through some very old FT posts of mine, say here : April High Life - First Class on VC10 you see I refer to them, because the very first aircraft I saw when landing on first-trip arrival in Russia, in St Petersburg, was a Kras Air IL-62, no less, departing. It was a great introduction to the country - though as some may know my attention was soon diverted elsewhere
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Sorry 'bout that - force of habit!
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I’m still scratching my head about another candidate for Question 2 (AUA-XXX-IDL DC6/DC8 in 1963); that said, however, I will toss a couple more questions into play
3- to paraphrase the esteemed Seat 2A, “1967, when I see YYZ and RDU on the same itinerary, I think of Eastern” ... I’ll speculate that this was an Electra, operating via Buffalo (BUF), Pittsburgh (PIT), and Greensboro/High Point/Winston-Salem (GSO)
11- even though a standard DC-8 might be a sufficiently interesting aircraft, United‘s obligatory routing via ORD/DEN and SEA is far too obvious; Western hadn’t yet expanded to JFK, so I think we need to look north of the border again ... we’ll depart JFK on an Air Canada DC-9-30, and make stops at Toronto/YYZ and Winnipeg/YWG
1967...
3. Now you are in Toronto. You've been requested to attend a meeting in Raleigh, NC and are surprised to learn there is a direct, no change of plane flight from Toronto to Raleigh/Durham which makes three stops en route and first class is available. Identify the airline, all three stops in order and the equipment.
3. Now you are in Toronto. You've been requested to attend a meeting in Raleigh, NC and are surprised to learn there is a direct, no change of plane flight from Toronto to Raleigh/Durham which makes three stops en route and first class is available. Identify the airline, all three stops in order and the equipment.
11. It's 1975 and you are in New York City. You've been requested to attend a meeting in Vancouver and have found a daily direct flight to YVR which will make two stops en route. Identify the airline, the airport you will depart from in the NYC area, both stops and the aircraft.
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Well, if it wasn't a 767 from Transaero, the other aircraft they had at the time capable of doing this was the DC-10-30. They leased several from American in the late 1990s when the latter were done with them, they only lasted a couple of years before returning home and joining the Hawaiian fleet. Here's one obviously showing it's AA background https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F..._AN0387108.jpg
And so if it was a Transaero DC-10, the other Russian carrier who had them at the time possibly was Kras Air, who likewise got a couple from KLM and had an unsuccessful shot at USA flights, this could have been one of them. They also went over to the US shortly afterwards, into the Continental fleet. Here : https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/68577
Kras Air was one of the typical liberated "Old Aeroflot" trying-hard regional offshoots, this being the onetime Krasnoyarsk division (it's a big city in Siberia). Several of them carried on with their regional-based flights, and also opened up a Moscow base as well - the trunk route from their original base to Moscow generally being their No 1 route. There were lots of comings and goings as airlines there settled down.
Now knowledgeable JL may not have heard of Kras Air, but if you flick back through some very old FT posts of mine, say here : April High Life - First Class on VC10 you see I refer to them, because the very first aircraft I saw when landing on first-trip arrival in Russia, in St Petersburg, was a Kras Air IL-62, no less, departing. It was a great introduction to the country - though as some may know my attention was soon diverted elsewhere
And so if it was a Transaero DC-10, the other Russian carrier who had them at the time possibly was Kras Air, who likewise got a couple from KLM and had an unsuccessful shot at USA flights, this could have been one of them. They also went over to the US shortly afterwards, into the Continental fleet. Here : https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/68577
Kras Air was one of the typical liberated "Old Aeroflot" trying-hard regional offshoots, this being the onetime Krasnoyarsk division (it's a big city in Siberia). Several of them carried on with their regional-based flights, and also opened up a Moscow base as well - the trunk route from their original base to Moscow generally being their No 1 route. There were lots of comings and goings as airlines there settled down.
Now knowledgeable JL may not have heard of Kras Air, but if you flick back through some very old FT posts of mine, say here : April High Life - First Class on VC10 you see I refer to them, because the very first aircraft I saw when landing on first-trip arrival in Russia, in St Petersburg, was a Kras Air IL-62, no less, departing. It was a great introduction to the country - though as some may know my attention was soon diverted elsewhere
And although I had vaguely heard of Kras Air, I was not familiar with the full name of this air carrier as it appears in the airline codes reference section of the OAG I used to formulate this quiz item: Krasnoyarsk Airlines.
Here are the roundtrip scheds for both airlines between LAX and Moscow Sheremetyevo.....
UN 321: Moscow (SVO) 14:30 - 16:10 Los Angeles (LAX)
Freq: Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays only
Service classes: C/Y
Equip: DC-10-30
7B 331: Moscow (SVO) 16:30 - 18:40 Los Angeles (LAX)
Freq: Tuesdays only
Service classes: C/Y
Equip: DC-10-30
UN 322: Los Angeles (LAX) 18:10 - 16:40+1 Moscow (SVO)
Freq: Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays only
Service classes: C/Y
Equip: DC-10-30
7B 332: Los Angeles (LAX) 21:40 - 21:20+1 Moscow (SVO)
Freq: Tuesdays only
Service classes: C/Y
Equip: DC-10-30
And this engenders a bonus quiz item.....
31. At this same time in 1996, one airline was operating nonstop service from Seattle to just one destination in the Russian Federation. The flight was operated twice a week. Identify this air carrier, the destination and the equipment. ANSWERED - Aeroflot operating an Ilyushin Il-96 nonstop to Moscow (SVO)
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May 20, 2020, 10:16 am
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16. Correct! And this Vickers VC-10 (OAG aircraft code VCX) service originated in Accra, of course. Here's the sched.....
GH 702 (on Mondays) / GH 706 (on Thursdays): Accra (ACC) 10:05p - 4:30a+1 (est.) Rome (FCO) 5:30a - 6:40a London Heathrow (LHR)
Freq: Mondays and Thursdays only
Service classes: F/Y
Equip: VCX
GH 702 (on Mondays) / GH 706 (on Thursdays): Accra (ACC) 10:05p - 4:30a+1 (est.) Rome (FCO) 5:30a - 6:40a London Heathrow (LHR)
Freq: Mondays and Thursdays only
Service classes: F/Y
Equip: VCX
May 20, 2020, 10:32 am
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3- to paraphrase the esteemed Seat 2A, “1967, when I see YYZ and RDU on the same itinerary, I think of Eastern” ... I’ll speculate that this was an Electra, operating via Buffalo (BUF), Pittsburgh (PIT), and Greensboro/High Point/Winston-Salem (GSO)
11- even though a standard DC-8 might be a sufficiently interesting aircraft, United‘s obligatory routing via ORD/DEN and SEA is far too obvious; Western hadn’t yet expanded to JFK, so I think we need to look north of the border again ... we’ll depart JFK on an Air Canada DC-9-30, and make stops at Toronto/YYZ and Winnipeg/YWG
3. Yep, it was Eastern operating an Electra and the first stop was Buffalo. However, this flight did not stop at PIT or GSO.
11. Yep, it was Air Canada operating a DC9-30 departing from New York Kennedy and one of the stops was Winnipeg. However, this flight did not stop at YYZ.
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Alaska to Vladivostok using a MD80?
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DFW was the favored hub from YVR and if it wasn't DFW, one of 3 other hubs. I dont know if AA ever operated YVR-JFK or MIA so the connection was at ORD?