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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
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http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:

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http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:

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http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
...
3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:

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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

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https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
...
9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:

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https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
...
Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
...
You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

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https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
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https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.

https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

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http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
...
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
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http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

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...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
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http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
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http://www.myairlines.ru
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http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
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http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
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http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
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http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
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http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
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Mar 5, 2012 | 12:03 pm

#4891

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sparkzone

KE Biz award (O) still not showing, only F (A). is this a bug or KE is not releasing it?

It appears that KE is currently providing O Award Availability for certain routes only (e.g. ICN-NRT) ...

Mar 5, 2012 | 12:03 pm

#4892

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Quote:

Originally Posted by luv2ctheworld

EDIT:
I think v.6.9.6 works only with CI as any routing other than CI's is not available.

What is the route/date in question?

Mar 5, 2012 | 2:08 pm

#4893

sparkzone

Join Date: Jan 2002

Location: ATL, GA, USA

Posts: 231

Thanks for response, any idea what route showing O so far?
ICN-NRT and what else? any flights from usa?

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Originally Posted by KVS

It appears that KE is currently providing O Award Availability for certain routes only (e.g. ICN-NRT) ...

Mar 5, 2012 | 3:16 pm

#4894

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sparkzone

Thanks for response, any idea what route showing O so far?
ICN-NRT and what else? any flights from usa?

At the moment, we are seeing that is accessible on routes between ICN/GMP and JP/TW.

Mar 5, 2012 | 3:36 pm

#4895

luv2ctheworld

Join Date: Apr 2005

Location: LAX

Programs: Free agent

Posts: 4,270

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

What is the route/date in question?

Just some samples I tried:
Using Amadeus: Awards/Skyteam w/ POS: US-AF or FR-AF -
ICN-LAX 22 Mar 2012 (and v.v.) - No Award Availability/Route too complex/Date out of Range; KE should have some kind of flight listed

LAX-PVG 22 Mar 2012 (and v.v.) - Only CI or AF routing to PVG available. No mention of China Eastern (MU) for their routing.

LAX-CAN 22 Mar 2012 (and v.v.) - No Award Availability/Route too complex/Date out of Range; CZ should have some kind of flight listed. No mention of China Southern (CZ) for their routing.

These are hub flights, so there shouldn't be any reason nothing is available. Other dates also yielded same results.

Last edited by luv2ctheworld; Mar 5, 2012 at 3:52 pm

Mar 5, 2012 | 3:53 pm

#4896

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Quote:

Originally Posted by luv2ctheworld

Just some samples I tried:
Using Amadeus: Awards/Skyteam w/ POS: US-AF or FR-AF -
ICN-LAX 22 Mar 2012 (and v.v.) - No Award Availability/Route too complex/Date out of Range; KE should have some kind of flight listed

LAX-PVG 22 Mar 2012 (and v.v.) - Only CI or AF routing to PVG available. No mention of China Eastern (MU) for their routing.

LAX-CAN 22 Mar 2012 (and v.v.) - No Award Availability/Route too complex/Date out of Range; KE should have some kind of flight listed. No mention of China Southern (CZ) for their routing.

These are hub flights, so there shouldn't be any reason nothing is available. Other dates also yielded same results.

KE & MU are not supported by the [Awards/SkyTeam] Engine. For MU, you need to use the [Sabre: FS] Method instead.

Please consult the table at http://Help.KVSTool.com/#AwardUpgradeClasses_SkyTeam for details.

As for LAX-CAN, it appears to be an Engine issue -- please use the [Sabre: FS] Method as an alternative:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.6/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]

Code:

LAX  Los Angeles Intl CA US [KLAX]
CAN  Guangzhou Baiyun CN [ZGGG]
THU  22 Mar 2012

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  --------------------------------------------------------------------
CZ         328     LAX   23:30     CAN   06:00     772      C9 D9 I0 J0 W9 Z9 Y9 T9 K9 H9 M9 G9 S9 L9 Q0 U0 E0 V0 B0 X0 N0 R0 O0

Mar 6, 2012 | 2:37 pm

#4897

GaryD

Join Date: May 2009

Location: LGA, JFK

Posts: 1,022

I'm considering renewing my KVS subscription, but I can't figure out if it has a benefit over what is available elsewhere.

Mrs. GaryD is JMB Diamond, so seems to be eligible for additional JL award seats. The BA and JL sites provide access to award seat inventory.

Is the BA site data, for using "Avios" on JL flights, the same as JL's data for using JMB miles? In other words, does JL hold back some seats for its own members?

The JL site explicitly says that for Diamond members, more inventory is available, for which a phone call is necessary. Can that inventory be accessed with KVS?

We are looking for an award NRT-JFK-NRT on JL F in June. Which level subscription would suffice for a complete search?

If inventory does open up, what mechanism is there for subscribers to learn of it, other than rechecking regularly?

Thanks.

Mar 6, 2012 | 3:12 pm

#4898

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryD

Is the BA site data, for using "Avios" on JL flights, the same as JL's data for using JMB miles? In other words, does JL hold back some seats for its own members?

OneWorld rules strongly discourage such practices. Most likely, JL can manually open-up additional award seats for its own Elite members (as you indicated below).

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryD

The JL site explicitly says that for Diamond members, more inventory is available, for which a phone call is necessary. Can that inventory be accessed with KVS?

If the special Award Inventory needs to be requested manually, then there is no way to avoid the phone call. While the KVS Tool can dial the JL number for you automatically via Skype (when using the main application) or via your Mobile device (when using the KVS Tool Mobile Companion), it is not currently capable of holding actual conversations with human Agents

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryD

We are looking for an award NRT-JFK-NRT on JL F in June. Which level subscription would suffice for a complete search?

For JL Award Availability, you would need the Diamond level -- please see http://Levels.KVSTool.com/ for details.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryD

If inventory does open up, what mechanism is there for subscribers to learn of it, other than rechecking regularly?

You would need to re-check periodically, but, once you save your query under [My Trips], it will only take a simple mouse-click.

Mar 6, 2012 | 5:55 pm

#4899

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII

I want to go from YOW to Perth Australia for a vacation in Dec.

1. Using the KVS tool, I can not get fare routing rules on Air New Zealand - I could not get the routing rules for any departure point in Canada to any destination in New Zealand or Australia.

The Routing Rules for NZ Fares on the YOW-PER are shown below:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.6/Diamond - Routing Rules: YOW-PER/NZ/Z3CA/14873 USD]

Code:

YOWPER-NZ 01APR12      *RULE DISPLAY*     TARIFF 0003 RULE 4011 
* ADD APPLICABLE TAX * FED INSP FEES *                          
   -FARE BASIS         CAD       NUC                PTC  FT  GI 
Z3CA            R  14668.00  14454.64               ADT  EX  PA 
Z3CACH          R  14668.00  14454.64               CNN  EX  PA 
Z3CAINF         R   1467.00   1445.66               INF  EX  PA 
Z3CA            R  14668.00  14454.64               INS  EX  PA 
Z3CA            R  14668.00  14454.64               UNN  EX  PA 
BOOKING CODES        Z                                          
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE - BX - BUSINESS CLASS EXCURSION              
MPM - PA 13899 VIA PACIFIC
---------------------------------------------------------------

CONSTRUCTED ROUTING - SPECIFIED 229              DEST ADD 15    
             FROM-TO  YOW-AA-CHI-AA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL         
                      -AKL-PER*                                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AA-CHI-AA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL         
                      -AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC      
                      -DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YMQ-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA-LAX         
                      -NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL-PER*                     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YMQ-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA-LAX         
                      -NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG      
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YMQ-NZ/AC/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/      
                      UA-SFO/HNL-AKL-PER*                       
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YMQ-NZ/AC/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/      
                      UA-SFO/HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG        
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AA-BOS/STL-AA-LAX-NZ/UA/       
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                        
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AA-BOS/STL-AA-LAX-NZ/UA/       
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG         
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AA-CHI-AA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA      
                      -HNL-AKL-PER*                             
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AA-CHI-AA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA      
                      -HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN      
                      -CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*             
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AC-YYC-NZ/AC-SFO/LAX-NZ/       
                      UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AC-YYC-NZ/AC-SFO/LAX-NZ/       
                      UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG      
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AC-YYC-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA      
                      -LAX-NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL-PER*                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AC-YYC-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA      
                      -LAX-NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL      
                      -WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL      
                      -PER*                                     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AC-YYC-NZ/AC/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/     
                      UA/AC/UA-SFO/HNL-AKL-PER*                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AC-YYC-NZ/AC/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/     
                      UA/AC/UA-SFO/HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL      
                      -WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL      
                      -PER*                                     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-CO-CLE/HOU-CO-SFO/LAX-NZ/      
                      UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-CO-CLE/HOU-CO-SFO/LAX-NZ/      
                      UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG      
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL      
                      -AKL-PER*                                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL      
                      -AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC      
                      -DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*                 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII

2. I may want to go on a Star Alliance RTW or Circle Pacific ticket between YOW and Perth Australia. How do I find out the fares, and fare rules and routing rules for both types of tickets?

For RTW and other special Circle Fares, please use the [Sabre: DotRes] Method:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.6/Diamond - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/US]

Code:

YOW  Ottawa Intl ON CA [CYOW]
RTW  01 Jun 2012 | 15 Jun 2012 | Economy

Carrier    From    To    Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis/TD
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
AC         YOW     YOW      4289   USD                      YRWSPCL
AC         YOW     YOW      6231   USD                      YRWSTAR1
AC         YOW     YOW      7256   USD                      YRWSTAR2
AC         YOW     YOW      8374   USD                      YRWSTAR3

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.6/Diamond - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/US]

Code:

YOW  Ottawa Intl ON CA [CYOW]
RTW  01 Jun 2012 | 15 Jun 2012 | Economy

Carrier    From    To    Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis/TD
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
BA         YOW     YOW      3504   USD                      LCIRAT17
BA         YOW     YOW      3703   USD                      LONE3
BA         YOW     YOW      3803   USD                      LGLOB26
BA         YOW     YOW      3804   USD                      LCIR22
BA         YOW     YOW      4004   USD                      LCIRAT21
BA         YOW     YOW      4505   USD                      LCIR26
BA         YOW     YOW      4605   USD                      LCIRAT25
BA         YOW     YOW      5006   USD                      LCIR29SA
BA         YOW     YOW      5305   USD                      LONE4
BA         YOW     YOW      5405   USD                      LGLOB29
BA         YOW     YOW      6106   USD                      LONE5
BA         YOW     YOW      6206   USD                      LGLOB34
BA         YOW     YOW      7107   USD                      LONE6
BA         YOW     YOW      7207   USD                      LGLOB39

Mar 6, 2012 | 6:31 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII

PS-Is there any way that the KVS tool can be used to look specifically for codeshared fligths - let us say UA on AC - anywhere in the world?

Current Engines can only exclude Codeshare flights -- there is no way to specifically force them.

The YYZ-YOW UA/AC Codeshare currently has a schedule exception for Mon 30 Apr:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.6/Diamond - Amadeus: Timetable/NL-BCDF]

Code:

PHX  Phoenix Sky Harbor Intl AZ US [KPHX]
YOW  Ottawa Intl ON CA [CYOW]
MON  30 Apr 2012 - 07 May 2012

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect | Ending | Exceptions
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ----------------------------------------------------------------
UA/AC      8474    PHX   10:40     YYZ   17:42     321  0   12345-7     08:30       4       1   01 May   31 May   Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA/AC  8290    YYZ   21:10     YOW   22:10     E90  0                           1       -

UA         682     PHX   07:00     ORD   12:12     752  0   1------     06:13       2       1   30 Apr   30 Apr   Mon 07 May
 -> UA/##  5829    ORD   13:22     YOW   16:13     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA/US      2885    PHX   12:20     ORD   17:38     320  0   ------7     06:20       4       2   06 May   20 May
 -> UA/##  6040    ORD   18:48     YOW   21:40     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA/US      2885    PHX   12:20     ORD   17:38     320  0   12345--     06:25       4       2   01 May   18 May   Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA/##  6040    ORD   18:53     YOW   21:45     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA         656     PHX   06:39     ORD   12:00     319  0   12345--     06:30       2       1   01 May   16 May   Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA/##  6041    ORD   13:19     YOW   16:09     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA/US      2885    PHX   12:20     ORD   17:38     320  0   1------     06:31       4       2   30 Apr   30 Apr   Mon 07 May
 -> UA/##  5824    ORD   18:59     YOW   21:51     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA         656     PHX   06:30     ORD   11:56     320  0   ------7     06:41       2       1   06 May   13 May
 -> UA/##  6041    ORD   13:21     YOW   16:11     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA         656     PHX   06:35     ORD   11:55     319  0   -----6-     06:45       2       1   05 May   12 May
 -> UA/##  6041    ORD   13:30     YOW   16:20     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA         398     PHX   12:00     ORD   17:12     752  0   12345--     06:45       2       1   01 May   07 May   Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA/##  6040    ORD   18:53     YOW   21:45     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA         624     PHX   11:51     ORD   17:11     320  0   ------7     06:49       2       1   06 May   20 May
 -> UA/##  6040    ORD   18:48     YOW   21:40     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA         468     PHX   09:00     IAD   16:10     320  0   1------     06:53       2       -   30 Apr   30 Apr   Mon 07 May
 -> UA/##  6040    IAD   17:20     YOW   18:53     ERJ  0                           -       -
UA         403     PHX   11:57     ORD   17:12     752  0   1------     06:54       2       1   30 Apr   30 Apr   Mon 07 May
 -> UA/##  5824    ORD   18:59     YOW   21:51     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA         124     PHX   09:00     IAD   16:11     738  0   ------7     06:57       2       -   06 May   20 May
 -> UA/##  6119    IAD   17:24     YOW   18:57     ERJ  0                           -       -
UA         124     PHX   08:59     IAD   16:10     738  0   12345--     06:58       2       -   01 May   25 May   Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA/##  6119    IAD   17:24     YOW   18:57     ERJ  0                           -       -
UA         124     PHX   08:55     IAD   16:06     738  0   -----6-     07:06       2       -   05 May   26 May
 -> UA/##  6119    IAD   17:28     YOW   19:01     ERJ  0                           -       -
UA/US      2621    PHX   08:55     ORD   14:21     321  0   -----6-     07:16       4       2   05 May   19 May
 -> UA/##  6040    ORD   16:23     YOW   19:11     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA/US      2621    PHX   09:10     ORD   14:36     321  0   1------     07:54       4       2   30 Apr   30 Apr   Mon 07 May
 -> UA/##  5826    ORD   17:15     YOW   20:04     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA         1635    PHX   23:21     EWR   06:50 +1  739  0   12345-7     08:00       2       C   01 May   25 May   Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA/##  4516    EWR   08:50 +1  YOW   10:21 +1  ERJ  0                           A       -
UA         1237    PHX   05:00     IAH   09:34     738  0   1--45--     08:09       2       C   03 May   14 May   Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA     1646    IAH   10:04     ORD   12:39     738  0                           C       1
 -> UA/##  6041    ORD   13:19     YOW   16:09     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA         1491    PHX   05:00     IAH   09:34     738  0   -23----     08:09       2       C   01 May   16 May
 -> UA     1646    IAH   10:04     ORD   12:39     738  0                           C       1
 -> UA/##  6041    ORD   13:19     YOW   16:09     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA/US      2621    PHX   09:10     ORD   14:36     321  0   -23----     08:09       4       2   01 May   02 May
 -> UA/##  5970    ORD   17:27     YOW   20:19     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA         495     PHX   05:00     IAH   09:33     320  0   ------7     08:11       2       C   06 May   13 May
 -> UA     1646    IAH   10:03     ORD   12:38     738  0                           C       1
 -> UA/##  6041    ORD   13:21     YOW   16:11     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA         1062    PHX   07:44     DEN   10:26     738  0   -23----     08:13       2       -   01 May   16 May
 -> UA     936     DEN   11:15     IAD   16:38     752  0                           -       -
 -> UA/##  6119    IAD   17:24     YOW   18:57     ERJ  0                           -       -
UA         1062    PHX   07:43     DEN   10:25     738  0   1--45--     08:14       2       -   03 May   18 May   Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA     936     DEN   11:15     IAD   16:38     752  0                           -       -
 -> UA/##  6119    IAD   17:24     YOW   18:57     ERJ  0                           -       -
UA/US      3054    PHX   08:45     DEN   11:31     320  0   1------     08:19       4       -   30 Apr   30 Apr   Mon 07 May
 -> UA     908     DEN   12:40     ORD   16:00     752  0                           -       1
 -> UA/##  5826    ORD   17:15     YOW   20:04     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA/US      3085    PHX   08:45     MSP   13:46     320  0   1------     08:19       4       1   30 Apr   30 Apr   Mon 07 May
 -> UA     622     MSP   14:40     ORD   16:04     320  0                           1       1
 -> UA/##  5826    ORD   17:15     YOW   20:04     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA         1237    PHX   05:00     IAH   09:34     738  0   -----6-     08:20       2       C   05 May   12 May
 -> UA     1646    IAH   10:09     ORD   12:44     738  0                           C       1
 -> UA/##  6041    ORD   13:30     YOW   16:20     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA         1078    PHX   23:01     EWR   06:30 +1  73G  0   1------     08:20       2       C   30 Apr   30 Apr   Mon 07 May
 -> UA/##  4516    EWR   08:50 +1  YOW   10:21 +1  ERJ  0                           A       -
UA/US      2621    PHX   08:55     ORD   14:21     321  0   1--45-7     08:24       4       2   03 May   21 May   Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA/##  5970    ORD   17:27     YOW   20:19     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA/US      3088    PHX   07:45     ORD   13:03     320  0   -----6-     08:26       4       2   05 May   19 May
 -> UA/##  6040    ORD   16:23     YOW   19:11     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA/US      3085    PHX   08:45     MSP   13:46     320  0   ---4---     08:34       4       1   03 May   03 May
 -> UA     622     MSP   14:46     ORD   16:10     320  0                           1       1
 -> UA/##  5970    ORD   17:27     YOW   20:19     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA/US      3085    PHX   08:45     MSP   13:46     320  0   1---5--     08:34       4       1   04 May   11 May   Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA     375     MSP   14:46     ORD   16:10     320  0                           1       1
 -> UA/##  5970    ORD   17:27     YOW   20:19     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA/US      3085    PHX   08:45     MSP   13:46     320  0   ------7     08:34       4       1   06 May   06 May
 -> UA     622     MSP   14:47     ORD   16:10     319  0                           1       1
 -> UA/##  5970    ORD   17:27     YOW   20:19     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA/US      3120    PHX   08:45     STL   13:38     319  0   1--45--     08:34       4       1   03 May   21 May   Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA/##  5956    STL   14:18     ORD   15:29     ERJ  0                           1       2
 -> UA/##  5970    ORD   17:27     YOW   20:19     ERJ  0                           2       -
UA/US      3054    PHX   08:45     DEN   11:31     320  0   12345--     08:34       4       -   01 May   07 May   Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA     908     DEN   12:36     ORD   15:56     752  0                           -       1
 -> UA/##  5970    ORD   17:27     YOW   20:19     ERJ  0                           2       -

Mar 6, 2012 | 8:03 pm

#4901

GaryD

Join Date: May 2009

Location: LGA, JFK

Posts: 1,022

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

OneWorld rules strongly discourage such practices. Most likely, JL can manually open-up additional award seats for its own Elite members (as you indicated below).

...

If the special Award Inventory needs to be requested manually, then there is no way to avoid the phone call. While the KVS Tool can dial the JL number for you automatically via Skype (when using the main application) or via your Mobile device (when using the KVS Tool Mobile Companion), it is not currently capable of holding actual conversations with human Agents

...

On conferring with the Diamond member, I gather the message on the JL web site was referring to the Diamond benefit, of the option of using 2x the miles when ordinary seats are not available. Not, explicitly, a reference to additional award seats, at the regular redemption level.

If they do that (or just upgrade without deducting points or miles), apparently they don't admit it publicly.

Sorry for the confusion, thanks for the quick and detailed response.

Mar 8, 2012 | 8:40 pm

#4902

FlyerGoldII

Join Date: Sep 2000

Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Programs: Aeroplan SE AND 1MM, HHonors Gold, Marriott Bonvoy Platinum , L'Accor Platinum

Posts: 9,782

Q/B UP fares - and Aeroplan COS Bonus?

Thanks, for the above response.

As per my thread, the question is whether these ...UP fares will give the 50% COS bonus with Aeroplan.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...ue-ticket.html

Do the fares rules (in the KVS tool) state anywhere that the fares will book into an "A" booking class, thereby eligible for 50% COS bonus?

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.4/Diamond - Sabre: YOW-HNL/UA/QHT50UPN/3062 CAD]

Code:

[Rule Application & Other Conditions]
NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT
VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
NORMAL FARES
 CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
  THE NUMBER OF SEATS WHICH CARRIER SHALL MAKE
   AVAILABLE AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE ON
   ANY GIVEN FLIGHT WILL BE DETERMINED BY CARRIERS
   BEST JUDGEMENT AS TO THE ANTICIPATED TOTAL
   PASSENGER LOAD FACTOR ON EACH FLIGHT AND FARES
   WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE MADE AVAILABLE ON ALL
   FLIGHTS.
 RULES NOT APPLICABLE
  6030/ 6040 - TOUR CONDUCTORS
   6055/ 6065/ 6070 - PASSENGER SALES AGENTS.

[Day/Time]
PERMITTED FRI/SAT/SUN.

[Seasonality]
TO HAWAII -
  PERMITTED 26OCT11 THROUGH 09DEC11 OR 02JAN12 THROUGH
  10FEB12 OR 19MAR12 THROUGH 04APR12 OR 10APR12
  THROUGH 22JUN12 OR 09JUL12 THROUGH 12DEC12 FOR EACH
  TRIP. SEASON IS BASED ON TRIP DATE.
FROM HAWAII -
  PERMITTED 26OCT11 THROUGH 27DEC11 OR 16JAN12 THROUGH
  17FEB12 OR 26MAR12 THROUGH 05APR12 OR 10APR12
  THROUGH 29JUN12 OR 16JUL12 THROUGH 27DEC12 FOR EACH
  TRIP. SEASON IS BASED ON TRIP DATE.

[Flight Application]
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
    ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
        UA FLIGHT 205
        UA FLIGHT 208
        UA FLIGHT 211
        UA FLIGHT 226
        UA FLIGHT 228
        UA FLIGHT 233
        UA FLIGHT 239
        UA FLIGHT 249
        UA FLIGHT 255
        UA FLIGHT 257
        UA FLIGHT 262
        UA FLIGHT 285
        UA FLIGHT 286
        UA FLIGHTS 302 THROUGH 304
        UA FLIGHT 314
        UA FLIGHTS 320 THROUGH 322
        UA FLIGHT 326
        UA FLIGHT 334
        UA FLIGHTS 337 THROUGH 338
        UA FLIGHT 353
        UA FLIGHT 362
        UA FLIGHT 364
        UA FLIGHTS 367 THROUGH 368
        UA FLIGHT 371
        UA FLIGHT 379
        UA FLIGHTS 388 THROUGH 389
        UA FLIGHTS 397 THROUGH 398
        UA FLIGHTS 416 THROUGH 417
        UA FLIGHT 436
        UA FLIGHT 443
        UA FLIGHTS 448 THROUGH 450
        UA FLIGHT 456
        UA FLIGHT 460
        UA FLIGHTS 465 THROUGH 466
        UA FLIGHT 469
        UA FLIGHT 472
        UA FLIGHT 482
        UA FLIGHT 485
        UA FLIGHT 522
        UA FLIGHT 531.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
    ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
        UA FLIGHTS 534 THROUGH 535
        UA FLIGHT 557
        UA FLIGHT 559
        UA FLIGHT 578
        UA FLIGHTS 590 THROUGH 592
        UA FLIGHT 595
        UA FLIGHTS 597 THROUGH 598
        UA FLIGHT 602
        UA FLIGHT 619
        UA FLIGHT 621
        UA FLIGHT 642
        UA FLIGHT 669
        UA FLIGHT 670
        UA FLIGHT 674
        UA FLIGHT 679
        UA FLIGHTS 701 THROUGH 703
        UA FLIGHT 722
        UA FLIGHT 725
        UA FLIGHT 728
        UA FLIGHT 731
        UA FLIGHT 739
        UA FLIGHTS 747 THROUGH 748
        UA FLIGHT 754
        UA FLIGHT 757
        UA FLIGHT 758
        UA FLIGHT 760
        UA FLIGHT 763.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
    ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
        UA FLIGHTS 771 THROUGH 772
        UA FLIGHT 778
        UA FLIGHT 794
        UA FLIGHT 797
        UA FLIGHT 808
        UA FLIGHT 815
        UA FLIGHT 824
        UA FLIGHT 841
        UA FLIGHT 863
        UA FLIGHT 867
        UA FLIGHT 870
        UA FLIGHTS 890 THROUGH 891
        UA FLIGHTS 905 THROUGH 906
        UA FLIGHT 907
        UA FLIGHT 910
        UA FLIGHT 912
        UA FLIGHT 920
        UA FLIGHT 927
        UA FLIGHT 949.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
    ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
        UA FLIGHT 950
        UA FLIGHTS 964 THROUGH 965
        UA FLIGHT 967
        UA FLIGHT 972
        UA FLIGHT 994
        UA FLIGHT 996.

[Advance Reservations/Ticketing]
CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED AT
LEAST 50 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE.
TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 1 DAY AFTER
RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 50 DAYS BEFORE
DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
       THE TKTG AFTER RES REQ WILL NOT APPL WHEN FARES
       ARE COMB W/OTHER FARES TO CONST THRU INTL TRANS
       T/F PTS OUTSIDE THE US/CA/MX/BM/BS/WEST INDIES
       PROVIDED AT LEAST ONE INTERNATIONAL SEGMENT
       OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA IS VIA UA.
       THE FLIGHT NUMBER AND DATE MUST BE INDICATED ON
       THE TICKET.

[Stopovers]
2 STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT - 1 IN EACH
DIRECTION AT USD 55.81 EACH IN CHI/DEN/LAX/SFO/HOU/EWR/
CLE
PER PASSENGER. INFANT IS FREE.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
       STOPOVER POINT/S/ MUST BE ON THE PERMITTED
       ROUTING.
AND - 2 STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT - 1 IN
      EACH DIRECTION AT USD 74.42 EACH IN HNL/OGG/KOA/
      LIH/ITO
      PER PASSENGER. INFANT IS FREE.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
       STOPOVER POINT/S/ MUST BE ON THE PERMITTED
       ROUTING.

[Transfers]
4 TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED
SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
       FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS ARE NOT PERMITTED.

[Surcharges]
RULE DATA INCOMPLETE

[Travel Restrictions]
VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON EACH TRIP ON/AFTER
24OCT11.

[Sales Restrictions]
TICKETS MAY BE ISSUED BY MAIL/PTA. TICKETS MAY NOT BE
ISSUED BY SELF TICKETS/WRITE-YOUR-OWN TICKETS. PTA
CONSTITUTES TICKETING.

[Penalties]
CANCELLATIONS

  TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
       ---
       A.  UA CUSTOMER COMMITMENT -
       CUSTOMERS WHO PURCHASE A TICKET FOR TRAVEL ON
       UNITED VIA UA CHANNELS MAY CANCEL THEIR
       RESERVATION/REFUND TICKET WITHOUT PENALTY
       WITHIN 24HRS OF PURCHASE.
       ---
       B.  WHOLLY UNUSED TICKET -
       A WHOLLY UNUSED TICKET MAY BE APPLIED TOWARD THE
       PURCHASE OF A DOMESTIC OR INTERNATIONAL FARE/
       TICKET PRICED AT -CURRENT- FARE LEVELS FOLLOWING
       ALL FARE RULE PROVISIONS.
       --
       ORIGINAL RESERVATIONS OF WHOLLY UNUSED TICKET MUST
       BE CANCELLED PRIOR TO ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FLIGHT
       OR TICKET HAS NO VALUE.
       --
       WHOLLY UNUSED TICKET MUST EXCHANGED NO LATER THAN
       ONE YEAR /365 DAYS/ OF THE ORIGINAL TICKET ISSUE
       DATE OR TICKET HAS NO VALUE.
       --
       THE NON REFUNDABLE VALUE OF THE UNUSED TICKET
       MUST BE CARRIED FORWARD IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX OF
       THE NEW TICKET AND DESIGNATED AS NON REFUNDABLE.
       --
       A USD 150.00 / CAD 150.00   SERVICE FEE WILL
       BE ASSESSED FOR TRANSACTION.  ANY RESIDUAL VALUE
       WILL BE RETURNED IN THE FORM OF A UA NON
       REFUNDABLE VOUCHER / TRAVEL AGENCY MAY ISSUE A
       NON REFUNDABLE MCO VALID ON UA.
       --
       PASSENGERS TRAVELING ON COMPANION FARES MUST
       PRESENT ALL TICKETS AT THE SAME TIME.
       ---
       C.  WHEN A LOWER FARE IS INTRODUCED OR AVAILABLE
           IN THE MARKET -
       WHEN A LOWER FARE IS INTRODUCED INTO THE MARKET OR
       A CURRENT FARE IS REDUCED OR BECOMES AVAILABLE /
       THE TICKETED PASSENGER MAY QUALIFY FOR THE ABOVE.
       ALL PROVISIONS OF THE LOWER FARE MUST BE MET
       BEFORE DEPARTURE.
       NO CHANGE TO ORIGIN/DESTINATION/DATES/FLIGHTS.
       ONLY BOOKING CODE CHANGE IS PERMITTED.
       --
       A SERVICE FEE EQUAL TO THE CHANGE FEE WILL
       BE ASSESSED.  RESIDUAL VALUE /IF ANY/ WILL BE
       RETURNED IN THE FORM OF A NON REFUNDABLE VOUCHER
       VALID ON UNITED AIRLINES.  AGENCY MAY ISSUE NON
       REFUNDABLE MCO VALID ON UA.
       ---
       D.  EMERGENCY PROVISION -
       TICKET MAY BE USED TOWARD THE PURCHASE OF ANOTHER
       TICKET IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY OF PASSENGER/
       IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER OR TRAVELING COMPANION.
       DOCUMENTATION REQUIRED CHECK WITH CARRIER.
       ---
       E.  TICKET VALIDITY AND CANCELLATION -
       TICKET EXPIRES 366 DAYS FROM TICKET ISSUANCE
       DATE.  AN EXPIRED TICKET HAS NO VALUE AND MAY NOT
       BE USED OR EXCHANGED.
       THE NON REFUNDABLE CANCELLATION PENALTY IS EQUAL
       TO 100 PCT FARE/TAXES/FEES.
       ---


      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
       ---
       A. IF MULTIPLE CHANGES ARE MADE AT THE SAME TIME
          ONLY ONE SERVICE CHARGE WILL APPLY PER TICKET.
          IF FARES WITH DIFFERENT SERVICE CHARGES ARE
          COMBINED ON THE SAME TICKET THE HIGHEST FEE
          OF ALL THE CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS WILL
          APPLY TO THE JOURNEY.
          IF CHANGED FARE COMPONENT HAS NO SERVICE
          CHARGE AND THAT IS THE ONLY FARE COMPONENT
          CHANGED THERE WOULD BE NO SERVICE CHARGE.
       ---
       B. FARES COMBINED END-ON-END ON THE SAME TICKET
          // FARES THAT COULD STAND ALONE IF ISSUED ON
          A SEPARATE TICKET//  MAY BE CHANGED SEPARATELY
          ACCORDING TO ASSOCIATED FARE RULE.
          IF CHANGED FARE COMPONENT HAS NO SERVICE
          CHARGE AND THAT IS THE ONLY FARE COMPONENT
          CHANGED THERE WOULD BE NO SERVICE CHARGE.
       ---

CHANGES

  BEFORE DEPARTURE
    CHARGE USD 150.00/CAD 150.00 FOR REISSUE/UNTICKTED
PTA.
    WAIVED FOR SCHEDULE CHANGE.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
       --
       BEFORE DEPARTURE CHANGE OPTIONS -
       --
       BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET
         VALIDITY CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVOSIONS
         MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF UA INTERNATIONAL
         FARES.  CHARGE USD 150.00/CAD 150.00 OR HIGHEST
         FEE OF ANY CHANGED FARE COMPONENT WITHIN JOURNEY
         .
       --
       TAG 7 - LOWER AIR FARE-WHOLLY UNUSED TICKET
       --
           WHEN A LOWER FARE IS INTRODUCED INTO THE
           MARKET / OR TICKETED FARE IS REDUCED
           REPRICE USING --CURRENT FARES--
           ONLY BOOKING CODE CHANGES PERMITTED.
       --
         PROVIDED ALL THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND
         FARE RULES ARE MET.
       1.  NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAK POINTS
       2.  CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
       3.  SAME TRAVEL DATES / FLIGHTS
       4.  UA FARES ARE USED
       5.  VALIDATE ADVANCE RESERVATIONS REQUIREMENTS
       6.  ADVANCE RESERVATION IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE
           DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
       --
         WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE --REFUND-
         RESIDUAL THEN ADD COLLECT -
         REFUND VIA VOUCHER.
       ENDORSEMENT BOX - NEW ENDORSEMENTS
       --
       TAG 5 - QUALIFYING CURRENT DAY FARE
                  WHOLLY UNUSED TICKET
       --
         REPRICE USING --CURRENT FARES-- IN EFFECT TODAY
       --
         PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET
       --
         1.  UA / CO FARES ARE USED
         2.  FARE BREAK POINT CHANGES ARE PERMITTED
         3.  VALIDATE ADVANCE RESERVATION REQUIREMENTS
         4.  ADVANCE RESERVATION/TKG IS MEASURED FROM
             REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT.
       --
         WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE -REFUND-
         RESIDUAL THEN ADD-COLLECT
         REFUND VIA VOUCHER.
       ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND
       NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
       --
       TAG 1 - DOWNLINE DATE / FLIGHT CHANGE
                 SAME BOOKING CODE /  KEEP THE FARE
       --
         REPRICE USING CURRENTLY TICKETED/HISTORICAL FARE
       --
       PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET -
       --
         1.  NO CHANGE TO STOPOVERS/1ST FLIGHT COUPON /
             FARE BREAKS
         2.  ALL TRAVEL REMAINS DOMESTIC
         3.  SAME UA / CO FARE USED
         4.  ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
         5.  VALIDATE ADVANCE RES/TICKETING FROM ORIGINAL
             TICKET DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
       --WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE IGNORE
       RESIDUAL THEN ADD-COLLECT
       ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND
       NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
       --
       TAG 2 - DOWNLINE CHANGES WHEN ORIGINAL
         BOOKING CODE NOT AVAILABLE
       --
         REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TICKET
         WAS ORIGINALY ISSUED
       PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET -
         1.  NO CHANGE TO STOPOVERS/1ST FLIGHT COUPON /
             FARE BREAKS
         2.  SAME FARE ON 1ST FARE COMPONENT IS USED
         3.  ALL TRAVEL REMAINS DOMESTIC
         4.  UA/CO FARES GOVERNED BY SAME RULE ARE USED
         5.  NEW FARE IS EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS
             FARE
         6.  ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
         7.  VALIDATE ADVANCE RES/TICKETING FROM ORIGINAL
             TICKET DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
       --
       OR -
       --
         REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TICKET WAS
         ORIGINALLY ISSUED
       PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET -
         1.  NO CHANGE TO STOPOVERS/1ST FLIGHT COUPON /
             FARE BREAKS
         2.  ALL TRAVEL REMAINS DOMESTIC
         3.  UA / CO  FARES ARE USED
         4.  NEW TICKET HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN
             PREVIOUS TICKET
         5.  ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
         6.  VALIDATE ADVANCE RES/TICKET DATE TO
             DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
       --WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE IGNORE
       RESIDUAL THEN ADD-COLLECT
       ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND
       NEW ENDORSEMENTS
       --
       TAG 10 - FARE BREAKS PERMITTED
       --
         A.  CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS USE FARE IN
             EFFECT TODAY - CURRENT-DAY TARIFF
         B.  ALL OTHER FARE COMPONENTS USE TICKETED
             FARE.
       PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET
       --
         1.  ALL TRAVEL REMAINS DOMESTIC
         2.  UA / CO FARES ARE USED
         3.  ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
         4.  ADVANCE RESERVATION/TICKETING IS MEASURED
             FROM NEW TICKET ISSUE DATE FOR CURRENT-DAY
             TARIFF
         5.  FOR TICKETED FARE ORIGINAL TICKET ISSUE
             DATE APPLIES
       --
         WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE --REFUND--
         RESIDUAL THEN ADD-COLLECT
         REFUND VIA VOUCHER.
       ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND
       NEW ENDORSEMENTS

AFTER DEPARTURE
    CHARGE USD 150.00/CAD 150.00 FOR REISSUE.
    WAIVED FOR SCHEDULE CHANGE.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
       --
         AFTER DEPARTURE CHANGE OPTIONS -
       --
         AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET
         VALIDITY CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS
         MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF UA INTERNATIONAL
         FARES.  CHARGE USD 150.00/CAD 150.00 OR HIGHEST
         FEE OF ANY CHANGED FARE COMPONENT WITHIN JOURNEY
       REPRICE USING CURRENLTY TICKETED / HISTORICAL
         FARES.
       --
       PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET
       --
       -TAG 1 - DOWNLINE DATE / FLIGHT CHANGE
                  SAME BOOKING CODE / KEEP THE FARE
       --
         1.  NO CHANGE TO STOPOVERS/1ST FLIGHT COUPON /
             FARE BREAKS
         2.  ALL TRAVEL REMAINS DOMESTIC
         3.  SAME UA / CO FARES ARE USED
         4.  ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE
             MET EXCEPT ADVANCE RESERVATION/TICKETING
       --WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE IGNORE
       RESIDUAL THEN ADD COLLECT.
       ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND
       NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
       -TAG 2 - DOWNLINE CHANGES WHEN ORIGINAL
                  BOOKING CODE IS NOT AVAILABLE
       --
         REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TICKET
         WAS ORIGINALLY ISSUED.
       --
       PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET
       --
         1.  NO CHANGE TO STOPOVERS / 1ST FLIGHT COUPON /
             FARE BREAKS
         2.  SAME FARE ON 1ST FARE COMPONENT IS USED
         3.  ALL TRAVEL REMAINS DOMESTIC
         4.  UA / CO FARES GOVERNED BY SAME RULE ARE USED
         5.  NEW FARE IS EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS
             FARE
         6.  ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
         7.  ADVANCE RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TICKET
             DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
       --
       OR -
       --
         REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TICKET
         WAS ORIGINALLY ISSUED.
       --
       PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET
       --
         1.  NO CHANGE TO STOPOVERS / 1ST FLIGHT COUPON /
             FARE BREAKS
         2.  ALL TRAVEL REMAINS DOMESTIC
         3.  UA / CO FARES ARE USED
         4.  NEW TICKET HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE
             THAN PREVIOUS TICKET
         5.  ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
         6.  ADVANCE RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TICKET
             DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
       --WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE IGNORE
       RESIDUAL THEN ADD-COLLECT
       ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND
       NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
       -TAG 9/10 -WHEN FARE BREAK POINTS CHANGE
       --
         REPRICE AS FOLLOWS -
       --
         A.  FULLY FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS USE FARES IN
             EFFECT WHEN TICKET WAS ISSUED
         B.  CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS USE CURRENT
             FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
         C.  UNCHANGED FARE COMPONENTS USE CURRENTLY
             TICKETED FARES
       --
         1.  ALL TRAVEL REMAINS DOMESTIC
         2.  UA / CO FARES ARE USED
         3.  ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
         4.  ADVANCE RESERVATIONS IS MEASURED FROM NEW
             TICKET ISSUE DATE IF CURRENT FARES
         5.  FROM PREVIOUS TICKET ISSUE DATE IF
             HISTORICAL FARES TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING
             UNIT
       --
         WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE - REFUND -
         RESIDUAL THEN ADD-COLLECT /
         REFUND VIA VOUCHER.
       ENDORSEMENT BOX - NEW HIGHER NON-REF AMT
       AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS

[Combinations]
 
 END-ON-END PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS.
 SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. TRAVEL
 MUST BE VIA POINT OF COMBINATION.
OPEN JAWS/2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS/MULTI-COMPONENT
CIRCLE TRIPS
  FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
  WITH ANY FARE FOR ANY CARRIER IN ANY RULE AND
  TARIFF.
  -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/2-COMPONENT
   CIRCLE TRIPS/MULTI-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS.
  OPEN JAWS/2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS/MULTI-COMPONENT
  CIRCLE TRIPS NOTE -
    WHEN COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS WITH
    A ROUND TRIP FARE TO FORM ROUND/CIRCLE/OPEN
    JAW TRIPS--THE MOST RESTRICTIVE PROVISIONS
    APPLY. THESE INCLUDE MIN/MAX STAY-
    RESERVATIONS/TICKET REQUIREMENTS -STOPOVER
    PROVISIONS-CANCEL/CHANGE PENALTIES/SERVICE
    CHARGES OR COMBINATION PROVISIONS.
NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME
       POINT -
       BUR-LAX  BUR-ONT  BUR-SNA  BWI-WAS  EWR-HPN
       EWR-HVN  EWR-ISP  EWR-NYC  FLL-MIA  FLL-PBI
       HVN-HPN  HVN-ISP  HVN-NYC  ISP-HPN  ISP-NYC
       LAX-ONT  LAX-SNA  MIA-PBI  NYC-HPN  OAK-SFO
       OAK-SJC  ONT-SNA  SFO-SJC

[Ticket Endorsement]
THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED
- NONREF/0VALUAFTDPT/CHGFEE - IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.

[Children Discounts]
CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT
  OF THE FARE.
  MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
    COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
OR - 1ST INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - NO
       CHARGE.
       MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
         COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER.
OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 100
       PERCENT OF THE FARE.
       MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
         COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER.
OR - JNN/CONTRACT BULK CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 100
       PERCENT OF THE FARE.
       MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
         COMPARTMENT BY CONTRACT BULK ADULT PSGR 12 OR
         OLDER.
OR - 1ST JNF/CONTRACT BULK INFANT PSGR UNDER 2 - NO
       CHARGE.
       MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
         COMPARTMENT BY CONTRACT BULK ADULT PSGR 18 OR
         OLDER.
OR - JNS/CONTRACT BULK INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2
       - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
       MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
         COMPARTMENT BY CONTRACT BULK ADULT PSGR 18 OR
         OLDER.

[Voluntary Refunds]
CHECK CATEGORY 16 OR CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.

[Eligibility]
NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

[Minimum Stay]
NO MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

[Maximum Stay]
NO MAXIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

[Blackout Dates]
NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.

[Accompanied Travel]
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.

[HIP/Mileage Exceptions]
NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY.

[Tour Conductor Discounts]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR TOUR CONDUCTORS.

[Agent Discounts]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR SALE AGENTS.

[All Other Discounts]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS.

[Miscellaneous Provisions]
NO PROVISIONS APPLY.

[Fare By Rule]
NOT APPLICABLE.

[Groups]
NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.

[Tours]
NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.

[Visit Another Country]
NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.

[Deposits]
NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.

[Voluntary Changes]
ENTER RD*31 OR RDï¿½LINE NUMï¿½*31 FOR VOLUNTARY CHGS.

[Negotiated Fares]
NOT APPLICABLE.

[International Construction]
NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE

Mar 9, 2012 | 9:46 am

#4903

KVS

Original Poster

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII

Yes, they will -- this can be verified by retrieving the Routing Rules for that Fare:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.6/Diamond - Routing Rules: YOW-HNL/UA/QHT50UPN/3054 USD]

Code:

YOWHNL-UA 01APR12      *RULE DISPLAY*     TARIFF 0013 RULE 2015 
   -FARE BASIS         CAD       TAX       TOTAL    PTC  FT     
QHT50UPN            1514.00      0.00     1514.00   ADT  EX     
QHT50UPN            1514.00      0.00     1514.00   CNN  EX     
QHT50UPN               0.00      0.00        0.00   INF  EX     
QHT50UPN            1514.00      0.00     1514.00   INS  EX     
QHT50UPN            1514.00      0.00     1514.00   JNN  EX     
QHT50UPN               0.00      0.00        0.00   JNF  EX     
QHT50UPN            1514.00      0.00     1514.00   JNS  EX     

BOOKING CODES        A                                          

PFCS MAY VARY BY RTG                                            
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE - SIP - INSTANT PURCHASE
---------------------------------------------------------------

ROUTING  308 FROM-TO  YOW-DEN/YTO/EWR/WAS/CLE/CHI-LAX/SFO       
                      -HNL*

Mar 9, 2012 | 11:33 am

#4904

GJS - yow

Join Date: May 2004

Location: Ottawa

Programs: AC SE*MM/S100K; HHonors Diamond; a bunch of others at various levels!

Posts: 1,595

Update reminder not working

Since the UA/CO merger, the ITA: Upgrades-Awards/UA method was not working. When used with the old 11 digit MileagePlus Number, the error message indicates "the Method/Function is currently unavailable or may require a newer version of the KVS Tool."

However, UA has issued new MileagePlus Numbers, which are 8 characters long. When the new number is entered, the error message indicates an 11 digit number should be entered.

Either way, this method was not working.

OK, so I checked the KVS site and found there is an update to V6.9.6.R1 which resolves the problem above. However, I was not alerted that an update was available. This is the first time that has ever happened.

Mar 9, 2012 | 12:48 pm

#4905

KVS

Original Poster

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Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by GJS - yow

We have not activated the global update alert (until today) as we wanted to make sure that the UA Engine is fully stable, following the migration.

However, as the "Method/Function is currently unavailable or may require a newer version of the KVS Tool" error message indicates, visiting the KVSTool.com Homepage will provide additional information about the Method's status, or the existence of an updated version (as was the case here).