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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
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http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
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http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
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http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
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http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
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http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
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http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
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https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
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https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

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https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
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https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
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https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
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E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
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https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
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https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
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http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
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You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
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https://www.finnair.com
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https://www.flysas.com
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https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
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https://www.lot.com
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https://www.lufthansa.com
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http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.

https://www.routehappy.com/
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https://www.swiss.com
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https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
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https://www.tripple.jp
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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

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http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
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http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
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The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

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http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
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http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
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http://www.myairlines.ru
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http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
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http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
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http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
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http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
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http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
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Jan 20, 2012 | 4:16 am

#4741

Cupart

Join Date: Feb 2009

Location: Switzerland

Programs: AY Plat (OWE), Bonvoy Gold, ALL Gold, IHG Gold, RH VIP

Posts: 3,066

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

Award Availability for many carriers is accessible via more than one Method in the KVS Tool.

SkyTeam Award Availability for AF KL DL SU KE MU can be checked via a combination of the the [WSpan: Awards/DL-SkyTeam], [Galileo: ETR] & [Sabre: GTC] Methods, all of which are available at the Platinum level.

For additional information, please select the [Detailed View] on the Membership Options page: http://Levels.KVSTool.com/

Thanks for the clarification ^

Think I'll give it a try

Jan 20, 2012 | 10:01 am

#4742

pauldepape

Join Date: Oct 2011

Programs: Skyteam: DL SM, One World, Star Alliance

Posts: 16

Awards not showing

I'm new to the Tool. Sometimes it does not show the awards. I'm looking at SEA to CDG on 12 Sep. There's lots of availability, but when I switch to Awards, I get "No Award Availability/Route too complex/Date-out-of-range"

There's probably some filter I need to turn off or on.

My goal is to find a Biz seat TATL, going on 12 Sep, returning on 22 Sep.
I'll being going on to Krakow, Poland (KRK) and returning from Prague, Czech. I may just purchase an EasyJet ticket from and too Paris, since there are very few match connecting flights with awards.
Paul

Jan 20, 2012 | 12:07 pm

#4743

broms

Join Date: Jan 2010

Location: Dallas TX (DFW/DAL)

Programs: American Gold, Hyatt Diamond, Starwood Gold

Posts: 312

No fare in system

I've searched through this thread and found various examples but no 'solution' to the problem. I've been searching through several West Coast ex-WAS/BWI fares today (-SEA, -LAX, -SFO, etc.), and for many flights I run into the 'NO FARE IN SYSTEM' when I try to find Routing Rules.

I've tried to move "up" in Fare Basis to see if a particular bucket is not updated, again to no avail. I had a friend login through his ExpertFlyer account and he is able to pull up routing rules, so I know that they exist somewhere - looking to see if I don't have something configured correctly or am not doing something right on my end to constantly receive this error message.

Thanks!

Jan 20, 2012 | 4:39 pm

#4744

Dan6681

Join Date: Mar 2003

Location: AVL

Programs: AA, AS, SQ, Hilton Diamond, PC Platinum, National Exec

Posts: 727

Just tried it, you are right it work fine.

Jan 20, 2012 | 7:27 pm

#4745

KVS

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FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by broms

There is currently an issue with the Routing Rules Engine for certain Fares. If there are any particular one(s) you are interested in, please feel free to PM their details (city pair/carrier/Fare Basis) and we will look them up for you.

Jan 20, 2012 | 7:43 pm

#4746

KVS

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Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauldepape

I'm new to the Tool.

Welcome to the KVS Tool!

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauldepape

Sometimes it does not show the awards. I'm looking at SEA to CDG on 12 Sep. There's lots of availability, but when I switch to Awards, I get "No Award Availability/Route too complex/Date-out-of-range"

There's probably some filter I need to turn off or on.

My goal is to find a Biz seat TATL, going on 12 Sep, returning on 22 Sep.
I'll being going on to Krakow, Poland (KRK) and returning from Prague, Czech. I may just purchase an EasyJet ticket from and too Paris, since there are very few match connecting flights with awards.

The [Awards/SkyTeam] Method will only show flight combinations that actually have Award Availability, so you need to split your search into segments.

As can be seen from the data below, there are award seats on the Trans-Atlantic hub-to-hub portion, but intra-US Standard ("Low") Award Availability on DL is non-existent:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.2/Diamond - WSpan: Awards/DL-SkyTeam]

Code:

SEA  Seattle Metro / Seattle/Tacoma Intl WA US = SEA BFI [KSEA]
LAX  Los Angeles Intl CA US [KLAX]
WED  12 Sep 2012 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
DL         2150    SEA   18:00     SLC   20:56     738  0   FM+  YM+
 -> DL     2041    SLC   21:45     LAX   22:38     757  0   FM+  YM+
DL         1634    SEA   06:00     SLC   09:05     757  0   FM+  YM+
 -> DL/OO  4701    SLC   09:45     LAX   10:40     CR9  0   FM+  YM+
DL         2050    SEA   07:06     SLC   10:00     320  0   FM+  YM+
 -> DL     1299    SLC   11:30     LAX   12:30     757  0   FM+  YM+
DL         1457    SEA   15:40     SLC   18:34     738  0   FM+  YM+
 -> DL     1211    SLC   20:10     LAX   21:12     757  0   FM+  YM+
DL         1857    SEA   10:10     SLC   13:09     320  0   FM+  YM+
 -> DL     2241    SLC   15:05     LAX   16:00     738  0   FM+  YM+
DL         1634    SEA   06:00     SLC   09:05     757  0   FM+  YM+
 -> DL     1299    SLC   11:30     LAX   12:30     757  0   FM+  YM+
DL         1457    SEA   15:40     SLC   18:34     738  0   FM+  YM+
 -> DL     2041    SLC   21:45     LAX   22:38     757  0   FM+  YM+
DL         2157    SEA   13:15     SLC   16:15     757  0   FM+  YM+
 -> DL     1211    SLC   20:10     LAX   21:12     757  0   FM+  YM+
DL         2157    SEA   13:15     SLC   16:15     757  0   FA+  YA+
 -> DL/OO  4703    SLC   17:00     LAX   17:53     CR9  0   FA+  YA+
DL         1857    SEA   10:10     SLC   13:09     320  0   FA+  YA+
 -> DL/OO  4703    SLC   17:00     LAX   17:53     CR9  0   FA+  YA+

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.2/Diamond - Amadeus: Awards/SkyTeam/US-AF]

Code:

LAX  Los Angeles Intl CA US [KLAX]
PAR  Paris Metro FR = CDG ORY BVA XPG XJY
WED  12 Sep 2012 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive         St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
AF         65      LAX   15:55     CDG   11:30 +1           CX-  WS+  YX-
AF         69      LAX   18:45     CDG   14:15 +1           CX-  WS+  YX-
AF         77      LAX   21:35     CDG   17:00 +1           CX-  WS+  YX-
AZ         621     LAX   15:25     FCO   12:15 +1           CS+  WX/  YS+
 -> AZ     324     FCO   14:30 +1  CDG   16:40 +1
AZ         621     LAX   15:25     FCO   12:15 +1           CS+  WX/  YS+
 -> AZ     330     FCO   15:35 +1  CDG   17:45 +1
AZ         621     LAX   15:25     FCO   12:15 +1           CS+  WX/  YS+
 -> AZ     326     FCO   17:05 +1  CDG   19:15 +1

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.2/Diamond - Amadeus: Awards/SkyTeam/UK-AF]

Code:

PAR  Paris Metro FR = CDG ORY BVA XPG XJY
KRK  Krakow J Paul II Intl PL [EPKK]
THU  13 Sep 2012 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive         St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
AF         1382    CDG   07:15     PRG   08:50              CS+
 -> OK     772     PRG   12:10     KRK   13:30
OK         759     CDG   09:50     PRG   11:35              CS+
 -> OK     772     PRG   12:10     KRK   13:30
AF         1386    CDG   09:50     PRG   11:35              CS+
 -> OK     772     PRG   12:10     KRK   13:30

Jan 21, 2012 | 12:18 pm

#4747

jasonvr

Join Date: Feb 2005

Location: So Cal

Programs: UA 1K/0.828MM, WN ALP, Hyatt Diamond, MR Gold, Hertz PC, National Exec, Avis PC,AA Gold

Posts: 5,666

Amadeus Seat Maps don't seem to be working. No matter which flight I choose I get a popup that says "Error accessing the Seat Map engine." Amadeus - Enhanced seat maps seem to be working fine though

Jan 21, 2012 | 12:19 pm

#4748

World_Traveler

Join Date: Apr 2001

Location: DEN, MCO

Programs: UA 1K/MM | DL Gold | AA Gold | Marriott Platinum | Hilton Gold

Posts: 248

Same problem here - since yesterday.

Jan 22, 2012 | 10:44 am

#4749

KVS

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Join Date: Jan 2004

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Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonvr

Amadeus Seat Maps don't seem to be working. No matter which flight I choose I get a popup that says "Error accessing the Seat Map engine." Amadeus - Enhanced seat maps seem to be working fine though

Quote:

Originally Posted by World_Traveler

Same problem here - since yesterday.

Please download KVS Tool V6.9.2, which will restore access to the [Amadeus-Text] Seat Map option.

Jan 22, 2012 | 3:07 pm

#4750

jarusoba

Join Date: May 2007

Location: YYZ, but my heart is in Asia

Programs: AC-SE, CX-DM, DL-G, Hyatt-DM, Hilton-DM, Fairmont-Plt, Marriott-S, Accor-Plt, SPG-G, IHG-Plt

Posts: 4,396

Amadeus Seat Map from Ver 6.9.2

I have been getting something like this for AC flights in Business class:
[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.2/Diamond - Amadeus Seat Map: 26 Jan 2012/AC 1/YYZ-NRT/77W/C-Business]

Code:

     A    |   D   G    |   K    
 1   -        +   P        -    
 2   -        +   P        -    
 3   -        +   P        -    
 4   -        +   -        -    
 5   -        +   -        -    
 6   -        -   -        -    
 7            +   P             
 8   -        +   P        -    
 9   -        +   P        -    
10   -        +   P        -    
11   -        +   P        -    

[+] Available     [W] Wing       [L] Lavatory  
[-] Unavailable   [E] Exit Row   [U] Upper Deck
[P] Preferred

P means preferred seats and those seats indicated are definitely not. I guess they mean the seats are still available but should have been indicated by + instead of P.

Jan 22, 2012 | 6:05 pm

#4751

KVS

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Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarusoba

I have been getting something like this for AC flights in Business class:

P means preferred seats and those seats indicated are definitely not.

The [P] Seat Attribute is coming from AC and they have multiple types/levels of Preferred Seats.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarusoba

I guess they mean the seats are still available but should have been indicated by + instead of P.

Indeed, all [P] Seats are, in fact, available, so [P] can be treated the same as [+], when the Premium designation is not relevant for your purposes.

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.2/Diamond - Amadeus Seat Map: 01 Oct 2012/AC 1/YYZ-NRT/77W/Y-Economy]

Code:

     A   B   C    |   D   E   G    |   H   J   K    
18   -   -            -   -   -            -   -    [W]
19   P   P   -        P   P   P        -   P   P    [W]
20   P   P   P        P   P   P        P   P   P    [W]
21   P   P   P        P   P   P        P   P   P    [W]
22   P   P   P        P   P   P        P   P   P    [W]
23   P   P   P        P   P   P        P   P   P    [W]
24   P   P   P        P   P   P        P   P   P    [W]
25   P   P            P   P   P            P   P    [W]
30                    -   -   -                     [W]
31   -   -   -        +   +   P        -   -   -    [W] [E]
32   +   +   -        +   +   P        +   +   +    [W]
33   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    [W]
34   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    [W]
35   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    [W]
36   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    [W]
37   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    [W]
38   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    [W]
39   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    [W]
40   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    
41   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    
42   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    
43   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    
50   -   -   -                         -   -   -    [E]
51   +   +   +        -   -   -        +   +   +    
52   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    
53   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    
54   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    
55   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    
56   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    
57   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    
58   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    
59   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    
60   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    
61   +   +   +        +   +   P        +   +   +    
62   -   -            -   -   -            -   -    
63   -   -            -   -   -            -   -    

[+] Available     [W] Wing       [L] Lavatory  
[-] Unavailable   [E] Exit Row   [U] Upper Deck
[P] Preferred

Jan 22, 2012 | 8:19 pm

#4752

jarusoba

Join Date: May 2007

Location: YYZ, but my heart is in Asia

Programs: AC-SE, CX-DM, DL-G, Hyatt-DM, Hilton-DM, Fairmont-Plt, Marriott-S, Accor-Plt, SPG-G, IHG-Plt

Posts: 4,396

A slight anomaly

I did a check for the AC2 on Jan 30. It returned 0 across the board.
[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.2/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]

Code:

NRT  Tokyo Narita JP [RJAA]
YYZ  Toronto Pearson Intl ON CA [CYYZ]
MON  30 Jan 2012

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------------
AC         2       NRT   17:00     YYZ   15:00     77W      R0 Y0 B0 M0 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 N0 G0 P0 E0 J0 C0 D0 Z0
AC/##      6264    NRT   09:50     HKG   14:00     763      Y7 B7 M7 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 J0 C0 D0 Z0
 -> AC     16      HKG   16:20     YYZ   18:00     77L      R0 Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 N7 W7 G7 S7 P7 T7 E7 L7 K7 J7 C7 D7 Z7
AC/##      6264    NRT   09:50     HKG   14:00     763      Y7 B7 M7 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 J0 C0 D0 Z0
 -> AC     8       HKG   19:10     YYZ   23:50     77W      R7 Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 N7 W7 G0 S7 P7 T7 E7 L7 A0 K7 J7 C7 D7 Z7
AC/NH      6232    NRT   17:05     LAX   09:45     77W      Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 W7 S7 T7 L7 K7 J7 C7 D7 Z7
 -> AC     792     LAX   11:55     YYZ   19:25     763      R7 Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 N7 W7 G7 S7 P0 T0 E0 L0 A0 K0 J7 C7 D7 Z7
AC/NH      6232    NRT   17:05     LAX   09:45     77W      Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 W7 S7 T7 L7 K7 J7 C7 D7 Z7
 -> AC     796     LAX   15:15     YYZ   22:48     319      R7 Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 N7 W7 G7 S0 P0 T0 E0 L0 A0 K0 J7 C7 D7 Z7
AC/NH      6232    NRT   17:05     LAX   09:45     77W      Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 W7 S7 T7 L7 K7 J7 C7 D7 Z7
 -> AC     788     LAX   21:50     YYZ   05:27     320      R7 Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 N7 W7 G7 S7 P0 T0 E0 L0 A0 K0 J7 C7 D7 Z7
AC         4       NRT   19:10     YVR   11:05     763      R3 Y8 B8 M5 U5 H5 Q5 V4 W2 S0 T0 L0 K0 N4 G0 P0 E0 J9 C9 D7 Z3
 -> AC     64      YVR   13:00     YYZ   20:29     763      R0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L0 K0 N9 G9 P9 E9 A0 J9 C9 D6 Z5
AC         4       NRT   19:10     YVR   11:05     763      R3 Y8 B8 M5 U5 H5 Q5 V4 W2 S0 T0 L0 K0 N4 G0 P0 E0 J9 C9 D7 Z3
 -> AC     148     YVR   14:00     YYZ   21:25     320      R0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L0 K0 N9 G9 P9 E9 A0 J9 C9 D2 Z1
AC         4       NRT   19:10     YVR   11:05     763      R3 Y8 B8 M5 U5 H5 Q5 V4 W2 S0 T0 L0 K0 N4 G0 P0 E0 J9 C9 D7 Z3
 -> AC     100     YVR   15:00     YYZ   22:25     320      R1 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L0 K0 N9 G9 P9 E9 A0 J9 C9 D2 Z1
AC         4       NRT   19:10     YVR   11:05     763      R7 Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 N7 W7 G0 S0 P0 T0 E0 L0 K0 J7 C7 D7 Z7
 -> AC     8       YVR   16:30     YYZ   23:50     77W      R9 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K9 N9 G9 P9 E9 A9 J9 C9 D9 Z9

I didn't believe that. So I did another search for YYZ-LGA and it turns out the flight is far from being full:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.2/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]

Code:

NRT  Tokyo Narita JP [RJAA]
LGA  New York La Guardia NY US [KLGA]
MON  30 Jan 2012

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  --------------------------------------------------------------
AC         2       NRT   17:00     YYZ   15:00     77W      R9 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K9 N9 G9 P9 E9 J9 C9 D9 Z9
 -> AC     720     YYZ   17:15     LGA   18:47     E90      R8 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K9 N9 G9 A9 J9 C9 D8 Z8
AC         2       NRT   17:00     YYZ   15:00     77W      R9 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K9 N9 G9 P9 E9 J9 C9 D9 Z9
 -> AC     722     YYZ   18:15     LGA   19:49     E75      R3 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K9 N9 G9 A9 J6 C6 D3 Z3
AC         2       NRT   17:00     YYZ   15:00     77W      R9 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K9 N9 G9 P9 E9 J9 C9 D9 Z9
 -> AC     724     YYZ   19:15     LGA   20:46     E90      R3 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K9 N9 G9 A9 J7 C7 D4 Z4
AC         2       NRT   17:00     YYZ   15:00     77W      R9 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K9 N9 G9 P9 E9 J9 C9 D9 Z9
 -> AC     726     YYZ   20:30     LGA   21:57     E90      R7 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K9 N9 G9 A9 J9 C9 D7 Z7

Is there a reason for this?

It can't be married segments. I did another search with the Galileo method for R space and it came out R9

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.2/Diamond - Galileo: Availability/ETR/JP]

Code:

NRT  Tokyo Narita JP [RJAA]
YYZ  Toronto Pearson Intl ON CA [CYYZ]
MON  30 Jan 2012

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
AC         2       NRT   17:00     YYZ   15:00     77W  0   R9
AC         4       NRT   19:10     YVR   11:05     763  0   R3
 -> AC     100     YVR   15:00     YYZ   22:25     320  0   R1
AC         4       NRT   19:10     YVR   11:05     763  0   R3
 -> AC     8       YVR   16:30     YYZ   23:50     77W  0   R9
AC         4       NRT   19:10     YVR   11:05     763  0   R3
 -> WS     626     YVR   16:30     YYZ   23:55     73W  0   R7
AC         4       NRT   19:10     YVR   11:05     763  0   R3
 -> WS     470     YVR   14:00     YHM   23:59     73W  2   R7

Jan 22, 2012 | 8:29 pm

#4753

jasonvr

Join Date: Feb 2005

Location: So Cal

Programs: UA 1K/0.828MM, WN ALP, Hyatt Diamond, MR Gold, Hertz PC, National Exec, Avis PC,AA Gold

Posts: 5,666

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarusoba

I did a check for the AC2 on Jan 30. It returned 0 across the board.

Transient?

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.2/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]

Code:

NRT  Tokyo Narita JP [RJAA]
YYZ  Toronto Pearson Intl ON CA [CYYZ]
MON  30 Jan 2012

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------------
AC         2       NRT   17:00     YYZ   15:00     77W      R9 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K9 N9 G9 P9 E9 J9 C9 D9 Z9
AC/##      6264    NRT   09:50     HKG   14:00     763      Y7 B7 M7 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 J0 C0 D0 Z0
 -> AC     16      HKG   16:20     YYZ   18:00     77L      R0 Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 N7 W7 G7 S7 P7 T7 E7 L7 K7 J7 C7 D7 Z7
AC/##      6264    NRT   09:50     HKG   14:00     763      Y7 B7 M7 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 J0 C0 D0 Z0
 -> AC     8       HKG   19:10     YYZ   23:50     77W      R7 Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 N7 W7 G0 S7 P7 T7 E7 L7 A0 K7 J7 C7 D7 Z7
AC/NH      6232    NRT   17:05     LAX   09:45     77W      Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 W7 S7 T7 L7 K7 J7 C7 D7 Z7
 -> AC     792     LAX   11:55     YYZ   19:25     763      R7 Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 N7 W7 G7 S7 P0 T0 E0 L0 A0 K0 J7 C7 D7 Z7
AC/NH      6232    NRT   17:05     LAX   09:45     77W      Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 W7 S7 T7 L7 K7 J7 C7 D7 Z7
 -> AC     796     LAX   15:15     YYZ   22:48     319      R7 Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 N7 W7 G7 S0 P0 T0 E0 L0 A0 K0 J7 C7 D7 Z7
AC/NH      6232    NRT   17:05     LAX   09:45     77W      Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 W7 S7 T7 L7 K7 J7 C7 D7 Z7
 -> AC     788     LAX   21:50     YYZ   05:27     320      R7 Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 N7 W7 G7 S7 P0 T0 E0 L0 A0 K0 J7 C7 D7 Z7
AC         4       NRT   19:10     YVR   11:05     763      R3 Y8 B8 M5 U5 H5 Q5 V4 W2 S0 T0 L0 K0 N4 G0 P0 E0 J9 C9 D7 Z3
 -> AC     64      YVR   13:00     YYZ   20:29     763      R0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L0 K0 N9 G9 P9 E9 A0 J9 C9 D6 Z5
AC         4       NRT   19:10     YVR   11:05     763      R3 Y8 B8 M5 U5 H5 Q5 V4 W2 S0 T0 L0 K0 N4 G0 P0 E0 J9 C9 D7 Z3
 -> AC     148     YVR   14:00     YYZ   21:25     320      R0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L0 K0 N9 G9 P9 E9 A0 J9 C9 D2 Z1
AC         4       NRT   19:10     YVR   11:05     763      R3 Y8 B8 M5 U5 H5 Q5 V4 W2 S0 T0 L0 K0 N4 G0 P0 E0 J9 C9 D7 Z3
 -> AC     100     YVR   15:00     YYZ   22:25     320      R1 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L0 K0 N9 G9 P9 E9 A0 J9 C9 D2 Z1
AC         4       NRT   19:10     YVR   11:05     763      R7 Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 N7 W7 G0 S0 P0 T0 E0 L0 K0 J7 C7 D7 Z7
 -> AC     8       YVR   16:30     YYZ   23:50     77W      R9 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K9 N9 G9 P9 E9 A9 J9 C9 D9 Z9

Jan 22, 2012 | 8:31 pm

#4754

jarusoba

Join Date: May 2007

Location: YYZ, but my heart is in Asia

Programs: AC-SE, CX-DM, DL-G, Hyatt-DM, Hilton-DM, Fairmont-Plt, Marriott-S, Accor-Plt, SPG-G, IHG-Plt

Posts: 4,396

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonvr

Transient?

Indeed. Everything is back to normal now. This has been going on for at least an hour!

Jan 24, 2012 | 9:36 am

#4755

former230

Join Date: Sep 2005

Location: MCI

Programs: AA EXP, Hyatt Globalist

Posts: 166

Just wanted to say that this tool has been very helpful so far. I am looking for a U class reward on CX next november and the same on a KA flight. I signed up as a diamond member and this tool has been a lot of fun and helpful. Still waiting for CX to release the inventory though!

Thanks for making this tool available!