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I thought I understood the Awards/Upgrades display correctly. If the Availability shows a + in the class of service I want, then there is availability for at least the number of seats I selected.

That is correct.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Illini_Fan (Post 16460880)

I called AA today and they were not seeing the same. The agent said she saw the first class, but did not see business class availability.

I was hoping to paste the screen shot, but seem to be having issue with that.

The specifics are:
DFW-GVA on March 16, 2012
Airline is prefilled to *O Oneworld
Seats = 2

First flight pair:
BA 192 DFW 17:50 LHR 07:30+1 744 FS+ CS+ YS+
-> BA 726 LHR 09:40 +1 GVA 12:20 + 1 319

Why couldn't the AA agent see the business availability?

As mentioned in the KVS Tool User Guide (http://Help.KVSTool.com/), the [Awards/OneWorld] Method shows Availability per trip and may include mixed-cabin itineraries.

Therefore, for premium cabins, you either need to check each segment separately or use the new [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Method, which shows Award Availability per flight:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.1.6/Diamond - Amadeus: Awards/BA-OneWorld]

Code:

DFW  Dallas Metro / Dallas/Fort Worth TX US = DFW DAL [KDFW]

GVA  Geneva Geneve-Cointrin CH [LSGG]

FRI  16 Mar 2012 | 1 Seat



Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive         St  Availability

---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------

BA         192     DFW   17:50     LHR   07:30 +1           FS+  YS+

 -> BA     726     LHR   08:30 +1  GVA   11:10 +1           CS4  YS+

BA         192     DFW   17:50     LHR   07:30 +1           FS+  YS+

 -> BA     740     LHR   09:40 +1  GVA   12:20 +1           CS+  YS+

BA         192     DFW   17:50     LHR   07:30 +1           FS+  YS+

 -> BA     2744    LGW   10:35 +1  GVA   13:10 +1           CS+  YS+

BA         192     DFW   17:50     LHR   07:30 +1           FS+  YS+

 -> BA     728     LHR   10:50 +1  GVA   13:30 +1           CS+  YS+

BA         192     DFW   17:50     LHR   07:30 +1           FS+  YS+

 -> BA     730     LHR   11:45 +1  GVA   14:30 +1           CS8  YS+

BA         192     DFW   17:50     LHR   07:30 +1           FS+  YS+

 -> BA     732     LHR   13:20 +1  GVA   16:00 +1           CS+  YS+

BA         192     DFW   17:50     LHR   07:30 +1           FS+  YS+

 -> BA     2740    LGW   14:55 +1  GVA   17:25 +1           CS+  YS+

BA         192     DFW   17:50     LHR   07:30 +1           FS+  YS+

 -> BA     734     LHR   15:05 +1  GVA   17:45 +1           CS+  YS+

Quote:

Originally Posted by Illini_Fan (Post 16460880)

Also, why doesn't the tool return the MAD routing? Every record that was returned was via LHR. Even though there wasn't availability on the DFW-MAD leg, I would have expected to see that set of flights.

The automatic flight construction for the the [Awards/OneWorld] Method is limited to 1 connection/2 flight segments.

Illini_Fan

May 27, 2011 1:08 pm

OK - thanks

I would need to upgrade to Diamond. The website says "You can upgrade to a higher level (e.g. Diamond) at any time. Simply proceed using one of the contribution options, corresponding to the new level (e.g. Diamond). Your remaining time at the current level (e.g. Platinum) will then be converted and added toward your new membership at the higher tier."

Does that mean, I'm charged just $10 (the difference between Diamond and Platinum) and my expiration date is the same or will I get $45 charge and my expiration gets extended for another six months?

KVS	May 27, 2011 2:08 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Illini_Fan (Post 16461090)

Your expiration date will get extended when you upgrade.

DownUnderFlyer

May 28, 2011 4:25 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 16460839)

CAI-KRT shows availability on some dates; the error message will be adjusted:

The issue is that the ANA tool shows availability on more dates than AC. Not sure why this is.

KVS	May 28, 2011 11:51 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by DownUnderFlyer (Post 16463858)

The issue is that the ANA tool shows availability on more dates than AC. Not sure why this is.

Could be a StarNet datalink issue between AC & MS ...

KVS	May 28, 2011 12:46 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyc6035 (Post 16458781)

KVS,

Thanks VERY much for taking this on and adding this valid add to the tool.

This is great work. Thanks for all your efforts!^^

Glad you're finding this latest addition useful!

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyc6035 (Post 16458781)

Lastly - when there is no availability - it would be a huge help if the tool could capture the alternative dates in the displayed aeroplan calender and make them a right click option in the KVS tool so those available dates could be viewed.

The Award Availability option has now been added.

Please download an updated Beta (V6.2.9921.B2) and give it a try:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.2.9921.B2/Diamond - ITA: Awards/AC-StarAlliance]

Code:

LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]

SAN  San Diego Metro / Lindbergh Fld Intl CA US = SAN CLD [KSAN]

FRI  01 Jul 2011 | 2 Seats



Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability

---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------------------------

                                                            Awards Available:

                                                            CS: 28 Jun/29 Jun/06 Jul/24 Jun

                                                            YS: 24 Jun

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyc6035 (Post 16458781)

Second -the message Route too complex - perhaps should capture the lack of availability and say something else like "No Availability."

That message has been changed, as per the earlier post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyc6035 (Post 16458781)

-It would be a tremendous value add if users could use psuedo city codes like NYC and enable the tool to poll the potential combinations back to aeroplan (i.e. JFK, LGA, EWR) -(so the user wouldn't need to run multiple queries) and have the kvs tool concatenate the results.

Unfortunately, this would not be feasible, due to an equally tremendous increase in the number of queries and the amount of time those queries would take.

For example, NYC (JFK/LGA/EWR) to LON (LHR/LGW/STN/LTN/LCY/QQS/QQW/ZLS/ZEP) would require 27 (3*9) separate queries.

nyc6035

May 28, 2011 1:32 pm

KVS,

Thanks for continued efforts. Thanks for the alternative dates option!

It appears the beta I downloaded is not throwing ANY messages now when there is no availability.

Search the following as an example:

LGA-XMN Jun 29 or July 2 one way all classes 1 pax

Regards

KVS	May 28, 2011 3:35 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyc6035 (Post 16465645)

Thanks for continued efforts. Thanks for the alternative dates option!

It appears the beta I downloaded is not throwing ANY messages now when there is no availability.

Search the following as an example:

LGA-XMN Jun 29 or July 2 one way all classes 1 pax

Thanks for the bug report -- please download the updated Beta:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.2.9921.B3/Diamond - ITA: Awards/AC-StarAlliance]

Code:

LGA  New York La Guardia NY US [KLGA]

XMN  Xiamen CN [ZSAM]

WED  29 Jun 2011 | 1 Seat



Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability

---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                                                            Awards Available:

                                                            CS: 22 Jun/23 Jun/24 Jun/25 Jun/26 Jun/27 Jun/28 Jun/30 Jun/01 Jul/03 Jul/05 Jul/06 Jul/04 Jul

                                                            YS: 22 Jun/23 Jun/03 Jul/05 Jul/06 Jul

vrichard

May 29, 2011 1:54 pm

Cabin Option = no effect

Select Bus/First for cabin, but it still shows all the flights with only Y cabin available:

Code:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.2.9921.B3/Diamond - ITA: Awards/AC-StarAlliance]



ICN  Seoul Incheon Intl KR [RKSI]

SIN  Singapore Changi SG [WSSS]

SUN  17 Jul 2011 | 2 Seats



Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability

---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------

SQ         603     ICN   09:00     SIN   14:15     333  0   YS+

SQ         609     ICN   16:40     SIN   21:55     333  0   YS+

OZ         331     ICN   08:40     PEK   09:40     321  0   CS+

 -> CA     969     PEK   15:35     SIN   21:25     777  0   FS+

OZ         735     ICN   08:40     SGN   11:55     333  0   CS+

 -> SQ     173     SGN   13:10     SIN   16:05     772  0   CS+

OZ         369     ICN   08:50     CAN   11:20     333  0   YS+

 -> SQ     851     CAN   13:25     SIN   17:25     333  0   YS+

OZ         361     ICN   09:30     PVG   10:30     747  0   YS+

 -> SQ     831     PVG   14:30     SIN   19:50     772  0   YS+

OZ         361     ICN   09:30     PVG   10:30     747  0   YS+

 -> SQ     833     PVG   16:35     SIN   21:55     773  0   YS+

TG         659     ICN   09:35     BKK   13:25     772  0   CS+  YS+

 -> TG     401     BKK   19:40     SIN   22:55     772  0   CS+  YS+

TG         659     ICN   09:35     BKK   13:25     772  0   YS+

 -> TG     409     BKK   16:25     SIN   19:40     773  0   YS+

TG         629     ICN   10:20     HKG   12:55     772  0   YS+

 -> SQ     861     HKG   15:30     SIN   19:15     388  0   YS+

OZ         363     ICN   10:50     PVG   11:50     777  0   YS+

 -> SQ     831     PVG   14:30     SIN   19:50     772  0   YS+

OZ         363     ICN   10:50     PVG   11:50     777  0   YS+

 -> SQ     833     PVG   16:35     SIN   21:55     773  0   YS+

OZ         363     ICN   10:50     PVG   11:50     777  0   YS+

 -> SQ     835     PVG   19:10     SIN   00:30 +1  772  0   YS+

OZ         711     ICN   11:00     TPE   12:30     767  0   CS+  YS+

 -> SQ     879     TPE   18:10     SIN   22:35     333  0   CS+  YS+

OZ         711     ICN   11:00     TPE   12:30     767  0   YS+

 -> SQ     877     TPE   14:05     SIN   18:30     333  0   YS+

CA         124     ICN   13:05     PEK   14:10     330  0   CS+  YS+

 -> CA     969     PEK   15:35     SIN   21:25     777  0   FS+  CS+  YS+

CA         124     ICN   13:05     PEK   14:10     330  0   CS+

 -> CA     975     PEK   23:30     SIN   05:45 +1  763  0   FS+

CA         124     ICN   13:05     PEK   14:10     330  0   YS+

 -> SQ     805     PEK   16:00     SIN   22:20     77W  0   YS+

OZ         365     ICN   14:00     PVG   15:00     767  0   CS+  YS+

 -> SQ     835     PVG   19:10     SIN   00:30 +1  772  0   CS+  YS+

CA         126     ICN   17:50     PEK   19:00     738  0   YS+

 -> CA     975     PEK   23:30     SIN   05:45 +1  763  0   YS+

OZ         367     ICN   20:00     PVG   20:55     321  0   CS+

 -> SQ     825     PVG   00:10 +1  SIN   05:30 +1  772  0   CS+

KVS	May 29, 2011 4:58 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by vrichard (Post 16469835)

Select Bus/First for cabin, but it still shows all the flights with only Y cabin available:

That's the way the [Awards/AC-StarAlliance] engine works, but you can use the [Filter] to only show flights that have FS/CS Availability:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.2.9921.B3/Diamond - ITA: Awards/AC-StarAlliance]

Code:

ICN  Seoul Incheon Intl KR [RKSI]

SIN  Singapore Changi SG [WSSS]

SUN  17 Jul 2011 | 2 Seats



Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability

---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------

OZ         701     ICN   08:25     MNL   11:15     333  0   CS+

 -> SQ     917     MNL   14:10     SIN   17:40     772  0   CS+

OZ         735     ICN   08:40     SGN   11:55     333  0   CS+

 -> SQ     173     SGN   13:10     SIN   16:05     772  0   CS+

OZ         711     ICN   11:00     TPE   12:30     767  0   CS+

 -> SQ     879     TPE   18:10     SIN   22:35     333  0   CS+

CA         124     ICN   13:05     PEK   14:10     330  0   CS+  YS+

 -> CA     969     PEK   15:35     SIN   21:25     777  0   FS+  CS+  YS+

CA         124     ICN   13:05     PEK   14:10     330  0   CS+

 -> CA     975     PEK   23:30     SIN   05:45 +1  763  0   FS+

OZ         335     ICN   13:20     PEK   14:30     777  0   CS+  YS+

 -> CA     969     PEK   15:35     SIN   21:25     777  0   FS+  CS+  YS+

OZ         365     ICN   14:00     PVG   15:00     767  0   CS+  YS+

 -> SQ     835     PVG   19:10     SIN   00:30 +1  772  0   CS+  YS+

vrichard

May 29, 2011 10:19 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 16470518)

That's the way the [Awards/AC-StarAlliance] engine works, but you can use the [Filter] to only show flights that have FS/CS Availability:

[/CODE]

Then why have the Cabin drop-down enabled at all for this method?

economyplusfan

May 30, 2011 4:16 pm

Help with upgrade on AC using MP miles

So glad to see AC added to Star Alliance upgrade list. I just booked a one-way B class ticket on AC. Called UA to upgrade to business using 20,000 miles (goes up to 25,000 miles after June 15). UA pings AC to request this using AC ticket number to locate record. AC comes back no availability. KVS shows:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.1.6.R1/Diamond - Galileo: Availability/ETR/JP]

LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
YOW Ottawa Intl ON CA [CYOW]
THU 22 Sep 2011

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------
AC 889 LHR 15:15 YOW 17:50 763 0 R9

This can't be human error on AC side. Does AC use a different fare class for upgrades using MP miles?

jarusoba

May 30, 2011 4:27 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by economyplusfan (Post 16475094)

This can't be human error on AC side. Does AC use a different fare class for upgrades using MP miles?

I class, not R. R is only for AC P, E, SE members using upgrade credits to upgrade.

economyplusfan

May 30, 2011 4:42 pm

Thanks jarusoba. Flight showing CS- at the moment. :( Does this mean my upgrade request is competing with AC FFs who are trying to book a business class award ticket?

KVS	May 30, 2011 4:59 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarusoba (Post 16475140)

I class, not R. R is only for AC P, E, SE members using upgrade credits to upgrade.

Thanks for the reminder -- the AC chart at http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Classes has now been updated to avoid confusion.

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