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What else am I not understanding. I missed that note in the help section. That is good to know.

I understand UA932 not displaying because of Y0.

However, I do not understand UA974 not displaying since it is Y9. What does a return have to do with it?

UA does not have one-way awards, so, internally, all searches have to be made on a round-trip basis. The 'dummy' return segment is currently fixed at departure date + 2 days.

Keter

Dec 1, 2009 3:19 am

NW fares

I think KVS FAQ should be amended to say that Fares/PSH method does not show NW fares.

canred

Dec 1, 2009 5:36 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 12902500)

UA does not have one-way awards, so, internally, all searches have to be made on a round-trip basis. The 'dummy' return segment is currently fixed at departure date + 2 days.

This is interesting to know. Would it work if the dummy return was set for +60 days in order to increase the likelihood of avoiding Y0? Alternatively, given that the user may be looking for a return flight as well, allow the user to pick the return date and display both segments?

pandaperth

Dec 1, 2009 8:23 pm

I'm looking at award availability on NZ between APW and TBU next February. NZ flies the route once per week - on Wednesdays. I'm getting the following result (for all days in week).
Any explanations?

[KVS Availability Tool 5.1.5/Diamond - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA]

Code:

APW  Apia Metro / Apia Faleolo WS = APW FGI [NSAP]

TBU  Nuku'Alofa Fua'Amotu Int'l TO [NFTF]

WED  24 Feb 2010 | 2 Seats



Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability

---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------

                                                            No award availability - Route too complex

KVS	Dec 1, 2009 9:13 pm

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Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 12909464)

I'm looking at award availability on NZ between APW and TBU next February. NZ flies the route once per week - on Wednesdays. I'm getting the following result (for all days in week).
Any explanations?

[Awards/StarAlliance] cannot show availability, when no flights (on any supported carrier) exist in the opposite direction on the same date. NZ only flies TBU-APW on Tuesdays.

KVS	Dec 1, 2009 9:14 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keter (Post 12904336)

I think KVS FAQ should be amended to say that Fares/PSH method does not show NW fares.

It could be a temporary glitch, but if the issue persists, the FAQ will be updated...

KVS	Dec 1, 2009 9:24 pm

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Originally Posted by canred (Post 12904616)

Increasing the return date factor from +2 to +60 would needlessly decrease the maximum advance lookup range by 58 days.

In any case, none of this should be necessary, since you can now select a nominal cabin class in the latest version, which makes these rare situations even more unlikely.

KVS	Dec 1, 2009 9:32 pm

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Originally Posted by KVS (Post 12901828)

Quote:

Originally Posted by retsef (Post 12901525)

UA932 XY0 NY0 XF3 NF3 XC2 NC3 (Not listed on KVS)

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Originally Posted by retsef (Post 12901525)

IAD-GVA 24 Dec 2009

UA974 XY0 NY0 XF0 NF1 XC3 NC4

As mentioned in the KVS Tool User Guide (http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Methods), [ITA: Awards-Upgrades/X1] cannot show flights, which are zeroed-out in the Economy cabin (e.g. Y0).

UA 932/24 Dec is Y0.

UA 974/24 Dec is Y9, but all possible return flights (26 Dec) are Y0.

You can now specify a nominal Cabin Class in the latest version and both 'missing' flights can now be retrieved by setting Cabin to First.

pandaperth

Dec 1, 2009 9:33 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 12909689)

[Awards/StarAlliance] cannot show availability, when no flights (on any supported carrier) exist in the opposite direction on the same date. NZ only flies TBU-APW on Tuesdays.

OK - thanks.
So, no way to know if there's award availability for such flights - other than phoning the airlines?

KVS	Dec 1, 2009 9:33 pm

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Originally Posted by sadiqhassan (Post 12899199)

The Awards-Upgrades/CX is no longer working. Might have something to do with the fact that the format / interface on the CX website for redeeming Asia Miles has also changed...

Access to CX Award Availability has now been restored in V5.1.7.

sbm12

Dec 1, 2009 9:45 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 12909789)

OK - thanks.
So, no way to know if there's award availability for such flights - other than phoning the airlines?

Sure there is. Log in to the ANA website and use dates that you know the fight operates in both directions.

KVS	Dec 1, 2009 9:57 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by pandaperth

I'm looking at award availability on NZ between APW and TBU next February.

P.S. There are 2+ Y/C award seats available on NZ 27 on 24 Feb.

InTheAirGuy

Dec 3, 2009 5:53 am

I used to use KVS to check for upgrades, and then my home went all Mac, so it became a hassle to load Boot Camp on VMWare simply to check a flight.

So I've been using http://publicbackup.com/shared/flyertalk/availability/ -- the ITN.Net service....

....But that doesn't seem to show I class (upgrade) availability any more....

So what do folks recommend for a simple and quick lookup these days?

PreferBulkhead

Dec 3, 2009 6:20 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by InTheAirGuy (Post 12917661)

So I've been using http://publicbackup.com/shared/flyertalk/availability/ -- the ITN.Net service....

....But that doesn't seem to show I class (upgrade) availability any more....

Upgrade fare class changed to "R" class a couple of months ago.

InTheAirGuy

Dec 3, 2009 6:37 am

Right. But the tool above doesn't seem to show R class. Any suggestions?

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