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Old Sep 25, 2012 | 4:37 am
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Originally Posted by gfunkdave
That's the thing - GOogle is rumored to have an iOS 6 Maps app ready to go. Apple has rejected such apps from the iTunes store in the past because they don't permit apps that duplicate "core iOS functionality".
Eric Schmidt was quoted by Reuters as saying Google has not submitted an app. Bloomberg gave a slightly ambiguous version.
http://gizmodo.com/5946134/schmidt-c...pp-for-ios-yet
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Old Sep 25, 2012 | 7:35 am
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Originally Posted by javabytes
They softened a bit on that. Google Voice is available on iOS. If a phone isn't core iOS functionality, I don't know what is.
You can't use real VOIP on the Google Voice app (not sure about the Android version).
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Old Sep 25, 2012 | 9:23 am
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Originally Posted by gfunkdave
You can't use real VOIP on the Google Voice app
Huh? So what am I using when I call with the Google Voice app? Fake VoIP?
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Old Sep 25, 2012 | 10:10 am
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Originally Posted by stimpy
Huh? So what am I using when I call with the Google Voice app? Fake VoIP?
iVOIP!
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Old Sep 25, 2012 | 10:43 am
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Originally Posted by stimpy
Huh? So what am I using when I call with the Google Voice app? Fake VoIP?
It is dialing a local number and then out, it is using your voice channel and minutes, not your data channel.

Unless you are using a SIP phone client....
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Old Sep 25, 2012 | 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by Steph3n
It is dialing a local number and then out, it is using your voice channel and minutes, not your data channel.
Huh? The Google Voice app on the iPhone absolutely uses the data channel. It work work at all if you don't have a data link setup.

edited to add that I did some searching around and Google Voice now works a bit different from when I first tried it a while back. Sorry, but I was confused. However it still may use VoIP from the gateway you call to some endpoint elsewhere.

I mostly use Skype and only loaded Google Voice on my iPhone to try it out last year. But the original point is true. Apple allows Google Voice, Skype, etc., in the App Store even thought the Apple Dialer is a core IOS app.

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Old Sep 25, 2012 | 10:54 am
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My biggest gripe with iOS6 is the podcast app. I listened to podcast extensively. The podcast app is still buggy and its interface is awful. One of my daily podcast separated into 4 sections. The new podcast app sometimes play it not in order which is annoying. Fortunately, deleting the podcast app put the podcast into music app, the same as 5.1.1
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Old Sep 25, 2012 | 7:41 pm
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The maps are rather..... bad.

Good news, though: http://maps.google.com works! So I just bookmarked it and placed a link on the home screen. Traffic works too!


Google can't come out with a standalone app fast enough. (or maybe Apple will roll the new maps app back and switch back to Google, since apparently the contract has not yet expired)
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Old Sep 25, 2012 | 7:55 pm
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Originally Posted by ESpen36
The maps are rather..... bad.

Good news, though: http://maps.google.com works! So I just bookmarked it and placed a link on the home screen. Traffic works too!
It's not nearly as well integrated and because it goes through Safari it seems to be quite a bit slower than the app version.
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Old Sep 25, 2012 | 9:43 pm
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Originally Posted by ESpen36
The maps are rather..... bad.

Good news, though: http://maps.google.com works! So I just bookmarked it and placed a link on the home screen. Traffic works too!


Google can't come out with a standalone app fast enough. (or maybe Apple will roll the new maps app back and switch back to Google, since apparently the contract has not yet expired)
Google's former CEO said today that Google has no plans for a standalone iOS maps app.
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Old Sep 25, 2012 | 10:35 pm
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Originally Posted by gfunkdave
Google's former CEO said today that Google has no plans for a standalone iOS maps app.
When you think about it, why would they?

I am sure they made more from the licensing fee Apple paid them then they could get from in-app advertising and I suspect that the real advantage of GoogleMaps is its integration into the OS. The difference in functionality and integration of a generic app vs. a homepage shortcut probably isn't enough to justify engineering the app.
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Old Sep 25, 2012 | 11:08 pm
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Originally Posted by anrkitec
When you think about it, why would they?

I am sure they made more from the licensing fee Apple paid them then they could get from in-app advertising and I suspect that the real advantage of GoogleMaps is its integration into the OS. The difference in functionality and integration of a generic app vs. a homepage shortcut probably isn't enough to justify engineering the app.
I doubt this. Maps won't be enough to keep most people from switching away from Apple/iOS and over to Android. At the same time, Google wants those users. It had them before, now it doesn't. Google's not going to sit idly by. I think they'll let iOS users stew for a while and then roll something out. They let Apple have just enough rope to hang itself.

Also, I found Google's latest Maps ad quite funny. Pokes fun at just about everything Apple screwed up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrS9AVPUMFQ

As a side note, I think this is the beginning of the end for Apple. Steve Jobs was a tyrant. And he was fanatical about the user experience. This obsession drove the quality behind Apple. iOS 6 maps would never have gotten out the door in its current state, even as much as he viewed Eric Schmidt as one of the biggest traitors to walk the earth and I'm sure wanted to dump everything Google off his devices. Reminds me of the legend when he asked his team during a meeting, "What does MobileMe do?". Somebody in the room answered him. And he shot back, "Then why doesn't it $*&@ing do that?" That's about what this would have gotten. Apple's success isn't gained from doing something new, but on taking existing concepts and perfecting them. If they can't do that, they have nothing. Wait until they flub a launch that matters a whole lot more.

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Old Sep 26, 2012 | 9:52 am
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I am going back to iOS6 having downgraded from my earlier dabble

I found out last night when setting up my business partner's phone that mail finally lets you receive and send properly from different servers (i.e. receive gmail imap that is popped out of our own server and send via our own server's SMTP)

iOS5.1.1 has this nasty thing where all the outbound servers seem to go into a pool and there is no obvious way of saying which server gets used by each account. So despite adding our own server it gets sent by gmail and arrives as

"Sent by Gmail on behalf of Johnny Colombia"

I don't like that
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Old Sep 26, 2012 | 10:01 am
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Originally Posted by JohnnyColombia
iOS5.1.1 has this nasty thing where all the outbound servers seem to go into a pool and there is no obvious way of saying which server gets used by each account. So despite adding our own server it gets sent by gmail and arrives as

"Sent by Gmail on behalf of Johnny Colombia"

I don't like that
I'm not sure what you are referring to. There is a new IOS 6 feature that allows you to customize the sig for each email account, but that is the only change. I had 3 email accounts on my iPhone for years with each release of IOS including 5.1.1 and never would it, nor could it, send via a random server.
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Old Sep 26, 2012 | 10:33 am
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Originally Posted by stimpy
I'm not sure what you are referring to. There is a new IOS 6 feature that allows you to customize the sig for each email account, but that is the only change. I had 3 email accounts on my iPhone for years with each release of IOS including 5.1.1 and never would it, nor could it, send via a random server.
Different sigs too? That is a long awaited feature

What I mean is deep in the bowels of email accounts where you can set SMTP in advanced settings.

Suppose I have two accounts [email protected] and [email protected]

I own both domains and both emails are popped into gmail from our own server.

I want to see both emails with gmail IMAP but SEND with smtp.bogota.com or smtp.colombia.com so that emails do not arrive with "sent on behalf of [email protected] by [email protected]"

So far as I can tell, to edit my [email protected] smtp account, I can add a new SMTP server but that doesn't necessarily tie it into an account. It takes me to a page with "Primary Server" and Other SMTP Servers"

Despite my entering smtp.colombia.com as the outgoing server for [email protected], if it is not the primary server it will not be used, my primary server is smtp.gmail.com which I used for [email protected]

I am saying that after setting up my business partner's email last night, this is no longer an issue
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