Mar 13, 2019, 3:57 am
Last edit by: pandaperth
Chronological Summary of Changes to the Oneworld Explorer Rule Sheet
(click on the dates to go to the relevant posts in this thread)
2023-Oct-05 Changes to the Premium Economy surcharge table
2023-May-01 Rule 4(e) change, regarding second visit to Asia
2022-Aug-31 Comair removed from the list of BA affiliated Airlines
2022-Apr-21 S7 removed from the list of airlines
2021-Jul-01 Minor change
2021-Apr-01 AS joins the alliance
2020-May-01 LATAM (LA & JJ) leaves the alliance
2020-Apr-01 Royal Air Maroc (AT) joins the alliance
2019-Mar-15 Minor change
2019-Feb-11 Rule 4(j) Wording, in part, changed from:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked as a through flight segment between Australia & USA (eg SYD-JFK vv)
To:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked in conjunction with a QF operated and marketed online connection or stopover flight at LAX
Rule 15 Following paragraph removed
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate.
Other, minor, changes
2019-Jan-08 Minor change (to the list of AA-affiliated airlines)
2018-Jun-06 Rule 16 - VOLUNTARY CHANGES / REROUTING / PENALTIES
Highlighted words removed
16(a)2d. If the rerouting results in an increase to the number of continents or extra flight segments previously charged, the ticket shall be recalculated.
2018-Mar-05 Rule 4(j) Words added:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked as a through flight segment between Australia & USA (eg SYD-JFK vv)
2017-Oct-30 Rule 5 Reservations and Ticketing: changed wording
From:
Reservations for the first overwater flight and all preceding flights must be made prior to departure.
To:
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceding flights must be made prior to departure.
Air berlin removed (it has ceased operating)
2017-Sep-05 No change (see the linked post)
2017-Aug-01 Rule 4(e) Major change regarding second visits to certain continents
Old Version:
New Version:
(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows:
Two permitted in North America.
Two permitted in Asia when one is for travel between the Southwest Pacific and Europe/Middle East.
Two permitted in Europe/Middle East.
If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa. AA Premium Economy booking classes added
2017-Feb-01 Rule 4(f) has the following words added:
No more than 4 international transfers from the one country permitted
2016-Dec-01 Rule 0 Removal of these words
3 Continent Fare is only offered for travel originating in Asia, Europe/Middle East and North America
(because southern hemisphere 3- continent itineraries became possible when JJ commenced its GRU-JNB service)
Rule 4(g) addition of these words:
The first crossing between TC areas must be flown, not surfaced
Rule 4(h) Removal of these words:
*not more than 2 of which may be between the UK and ALBANIA, ALGERIA, BULGARIA, CROATIA, CYPRUS, GREECE, MIDDLE EAST, MOROCCO, ROMANIA, RUSSIA west of the Urals, TUNISIA, TURKEY, UKRAINE.
2016-Aug-04 Rule 4(h) Removal of these words:
*segments between Europe and Middle East are not permitted if travel includes Africa and the itinerary utilises the backtracking provisions in Para 4(e) 3.1.3.or 3.2.3.
(So no more complicated rules regarding second visits to Europe/Middle East)
2016-Apr-22 Rule 4(e) Major change to the 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East rule
New wording is:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/membe...iddle-east.png Rule 8Stopovers.
Removal of the highlighted words:
2. Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.
Rule 15 Sales Restrictions
Removal of the highlighted words:
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale.
Exception: Not applicable when BOTH travel originates and sales are made within Europe.
2016-Apr-01 Minor change to booking classes
2015-Dec-01 Minor change to list of affiliate airlines and to the cancellation fee
2015-Nov-01 US Airways removed from list of airlines (its merger with AA was complete)
2015-Sep-01Rule 4(k) ATL added to list of east coast cities
Rule 26 Change to group booking codes
2015-Jun-01 Rule 4(k) TPA added to list of east coast cities
2015-Feb-01 Minor change to the list of affiliated carriers
Rule 16 Voluntary Changes
Removal of “Date/Time/Carrier” changes. Phrase now used is “changes to ticketed points”
2014-Nov-01 Rule 4(j) change to the list of affiliated airlines
2014-Oct-01 Rule 5 Highlighted words added
NOTE: For flights where First or Business Class is not offered or available, passengers may travel in a lower Class, in the applicable booking code for that lower Class.
Where the applicable booking class for the lower class is not available,
Passengers travelling on First Class Fares may book Y class
Passengers travelling on DONE* Business Class Fares may book B class
2014-Aug-01 Minor changes only
2014-Jul-01 IONE3 fares added
Other minor changes
2014-May-01 UL joins Oneworld
2014-Apr-01 JJ and US join Oneworld
2013-Dec-01 Allows DONEn travellers to fly in first class on QR’s Middle East flights
2013-Oct-30 QR joins Oneworld
Complicated new rule for 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East in conjunction with travel to/from/via Africa
2013-Oct-01 LAN Colombia joins Oneworld
2013-Jul-01 Minor changes
Removed the ability to purchase extra intra-continent flight segments
2013-Mar-01 Changes subsequently discovered
Continents transited to be counted
Rule 8. The highlighted words dropped
Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.
2013-Jan-31 MH joins Oneworld
2012-Nov Rule 0 The highlighted words added
TRAVEL BETWEEN SOUTH WEST PACIFIC AND EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER/OR BY SURFACE IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING SWP-ASIA-EUROPE/ MIDDLE EAST THROUGH THREE CONTINENTS
2011-May-02 Rule 4(l) Change to the list of Australian trans-continental flights allowed
2011-Apr-01 Rule 4(e)(3) Tanzania removed from the list of African countries where 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East allowed
2011-Feb-02 QF codeshare flight on JQ allowed
Albania and Turkey added to the list of countries to/from which only two flights allowed from/to UK
2010-Nov-01 Highlighted words added
TRAVEL BETWEEN SWP AND EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER/ OR BY SURFACE IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING SWP-ASIA-EUROPE THROUGH THREE CONTINENTS.
Premium Economy supplements increased
2009-Nov-30 Rule 4(l) Change to the list of Australian trans-continental flights allowed
2009-Aug-04 Rule 4(c) Origin-Destination surface segment allowed between Maldives and Sri Lanka/India
Rule 8. Highlighted words added
Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin
(click on the dates to go to the relevant posts in this thread)
2023-Oct-05 Changes to the Premium Economy surcharge table
2023-May-01 Rule 4(e) change, regarding second visit to Asia
2022-Aug-31 Comair removed from the list of BA affiliated Airlines
2022-Apr-21 S7 removed from the list of airlines
2021-Jul-01 Minor change
2021-Apr-01 AS joins the alliance
2020-May-01 LATAM (LA & JJ) leaves the alliance
2020-Apr-01 Royal Air Maroc (AT) joins the alliance
2019-Mar-15 Minor change
2019-Feb-11 Rule 4(j) Wording, in part, changed from:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked as a through flight segment between Australia & USA (eg SYD-JFK vv)
To:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked in conjunction with a QF operated and marketed online connection or stopover flight at LAX
Rule 15 Following paragraph removed
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate.
Other, minor, changes
2019-Jan-08 Minor change (to the list of AA-affiliated airlines)
2018-Jun-06 Rule 16 - VOLUNTARY CHANGES / REROUTING / PENALTIES
Highlighted words removed
16(a)2d. If the rerouting results in an increase to the number of continents or extra flight segments previously charged, the ticket shall be recalculated.
2018-Mar-05 Rule 4(j) Words added:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked as a through flight segment between Australia & USA (eg SYD-JFK vv)
2017-Oct-30 Rule 5 Reservations and Ticketing: changed wording
From:
Reservations for the first overwater flight and all preceding flights must be made prior to departure.
To:
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceding flights must be made prior to departure.
Air berlin removed (it has ceased operating)
2017-Sep-05 No change (see the linked post)
2017-Aug-01 Rule 4(e) Major change regarding second visits to certain continents
Old Version:
New Version:
(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows:
Two permitted in North America.
Two permitted in Asia when one is for travel between the Southwest Pacific and Europe/Middle East.
Two permitted in Europe/Middle East.
If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa. AA Premium Economy booking classes added
2017-Feb-01 Rule 4(f) has the following words added:
No more than 4 international transfers from the one country permitted
2016-Dec-01 Rule 0 Removal of these words
3 Continent Fare is only offered for travel originating in Asia, Europe/Middle East and North America
(because southern hemisphere 3- continent itineraries became possible when JJ commenced its GRU-JNB service)
Rule 4(g) addition of these words:
The first crossing between TC areas must be flown, not surfaced
Rule 4(h) Removal of these words:
*not more than 2 of which may be between the UK and ALBANIA, ALGERIA, BULGARIA, CROATIA, CYPRUS, GREECE, MIDDLE EAST, MOROCCO, ROMANIA, RUSSIA west of the Urals, TUNISIA, TURKEY, UKRAINE.
2016-Aug-04 Rule 4(h) Removal of these words:
*segments between Europe and Middle East are not permitted if travel includes Africa and the itinerary utilises the backtracking provisions in Para 4(e) 3.1.3.or 3.2.3.
(So no more complicated rules regarding second visits to Europe/Middle East)
2016-Apr-22 Rule 4(e) Major change to the 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East rule
New wording is:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/membe...iddle-east.png Rule 8Stopovers.
Removal of the highlighted words:
2. Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.
Rule 15 Sales Restrictions
Removal of the highlighted words:
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale.
Exception: Not applicable when BOTH travel originates and sales are made within Europe.
2016-Apr-01 Minor change to booking classes
2015-Dec-01 Minor change to list of affiliate airlines and to the cancellation fee
2015-Nov-01 US Airways removed from list of airlines (its merger with AA was complete)
2015-Sep-01Rule 4(k) ATL added to list of east coast cities
Rule 26 Change to group booking codes
2015-Jun-01 Rule 4(k) TPA added to list of east coast cities
2015-Feb-01 Minor change to the list of affiliated carriers
Rule 16 Voluntary Changes
Removal of “Date/Time/Carrier” changes. Phrase now used is “changes to ticketed points”
2014-Nov-01 Rule 4(j) change to the list of affiliated airlines
2014-Oct-01 Rule 5 Highlighted words added
NOTE: For flights where First or Business Class is not offered or available, passengers may travel in a lower Class, in the applicable booking code for that lower Class.
Where the applicable booking class for the lower class is not available,
Passengers travelling on First Class Fares may book Y class
Passengers travelling on DONE* Business Class Fares may book B class
2014-Aug-01 Minor changes only
2014-Jul-01 IONE3 fares added
Other minor changes
2014-May-01 UL joins Oneworld
2014-Apr-01 JJ and US join Oneworld
2013-Dec-01 Allows DONEn travellers to fly in first class on QR’s Middle East flights
2013-Oct-30 QR joins Oneworld
Complicated new rule for 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East in conjunction with travel to/from/via Africa
2013-Oct-01 LAN Colombia joins Oneworld
2013-Jul-01 Minor changes
Removed the ability to purchase extra intra-continent flight segments
2013-Mar-01 Changes subsequently discovered
Continents transited to be counted
Rule 8. The highlighted words dropped
Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.
2013-Jan-31 MH joins Oneworld
2012-Nov Rule 0 The highlighted words added
TRAVEL BETWEEN SOUTH WEST PACIFIC AND EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER/OR BY SURFACE IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING SWP-ASIA-EUROPE/ MIDDLE EAST THROUGH THREE CONTINENTS
2011-May-02 Rule 4(l) Change to the list of Australian trans-continental flights allowed
2011-Apr-01 Rule 4(e)(3) Tanzania removed from the list of African countries where 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East allowed
2011-Feb-02 QF codeshare flight on JQ allowed
Albania and Turkey added to the list of countries to/from which only two flights allowed from/to UK
2010-Nov-01 Highlighted words added
TRAVEL BETWEEN SWP AND EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER/ OR BY SURFACE IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING SWP-ASIA-EUROPE THROUGH THREE CONTINENTS.
Premium Economy supplements increased
2009-Nov-30 Rule 4(l) Change to the list of Australian trans-continental flights allowed
2009-Aug-04 Rule 4(c) Origin-Destination surface segment allowed between Maldives and Sri Lanka/India
Rule 8. Highlighted words added
Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin
Changes to xONEx Rule Sheet
Sep 8, 2014, 12:48 pm
#241
Join Date: Aug 2004
Programs: AA (EP), Hilton (Diamond), Marriott Bonvoy (Titanium)
Posts: 8,937
Perhaps you want to end in TLV? It's one of the longer ex-LHR flights on BA that's still within the continent.
Sep 8, 2014, 10:23 pm
#242
Join Date: Apr 2007
Programs: QF, VA, AC, Hyatt, Marriott
Posts: 3,784
I have heard that Israel does do some kind of off-passport stamp these days but I went to TLV in December 2010 and there's a great big red stamp noting such in my passport.
I'm not sure what you mean. You can change the ticket at any time, you don't have to wait in between flown sectors. Unless you paid UK Air Passenger Duty or airport service fees before they went up last year and you want to avoid paying the difference?
However, others here think that only the changed coupons—not the entire fare component—will be recalculated, so I might be wrong on that score anyway.
However, others here think that only the changed coupons—not the entire fare component—will be recalculated, so I might be wrong on that score anyway.
How long ago did you visit TLV? I went last year and they no longer stamp passports, instead they scan the passport and give you a credit-card-sized piece of paper that has the passport scan and the date of entry and the validation period. (I also went the year before that, and they did stamp passports.)
Perhaps you want to end in TLV? It's one of the longer ex-LHR flights on BA that's still within the continent.
Perhaps you want to end in TLV? It's one of the longer ex-LHR flights on BA that's still within the continent.
At this stage I think my options are MCT and KWI. I could also avoid much of the drama and simply spend the two nights in London instead of JED, then just fly to DOH or DXB and go from there.
Many thanks for all the tips and advice.
Sep 11, 2014, 10:40 pm
#243
Join Date: Apr 2007
Programs: QF, VA, AC, Hyatt, Marriott
Posts: 3,784
Firstly, a big apology. I have posted my recent query in the wrong thread. They should have been in the FAQ thread. That's a big mistake on part. It's a bug-bear of mine when threads go off-topic and now I've done it. I've alerted the moderators and asked that my post and everyone's advice be moved to the FAQ thread. Until that happens . . .
Secondly, I've managed to speak to the AA RTW desk.
In addition to the USD125 re-route fee I'd be up for and additional USD674.94 in taxes for KWI which seems huge.
Two important points. First, my ticket involved an involuntary re-route that resulted in CX becoming involved with my AA ticket. As a result, AA can't see that I've actually paid the UK APD or whatever the appropriate taxes are for a stopover in LHR, rather than a transit. Therefore, the above amounts included "about $300" for these UK taxes that I have actually paid. But even at about USD370 the taxes for KWI seem ridiculous. But, second, as Calchas suggested, AA said the taxes are re-assessed on all remaining unflown sectors, not just the one final sector I'm flying. Therefore, maybe the USD370-odd is not just KWI taxes but increased taxes on the five remaining sectors I have.
I was on the phone to AA for well over an hour and that's with my call initially being answered very quickly. The rates desk clearly has a complicated job. The RTW agent I spoke with was kind of reluctant to get me "quotes" on the taxes and I can see why. That said, it would be stupid of AA or any airline to expect a passenger with flexible plans to just say 'Go with x city, whatever the taxes are, and I'll pay them'. I have a choice of a few cities so I'm going to favour one with low taxes.
Finally, while waiting for the RTW desk to contact the rates desk I looked up KWI on Wikivoyage. In big letters: "Entry will be refused to citizens of Israel and to those who show stamps and/or visas from Israel". However, I called the Kuwait Embassy in Canberra this morning and the lady I spoke with says it's no issue for an Australian passport holder. I would feel better if that was written somewhere so I'll have a look in the trip report thread.
Secondly, I've managed to speak to the AA RTW desk.
In addition to the USD125 re-route fee I'd be up for and additional USD674.94 in taxes for KWI which seems huge.
Two important points. First, my ticket involved an involuntary re-route that resulted in CX becoming involved with my AA ticket. As a result, AA can't see that I've actually paid the UK APD or whatever the appropriate taxes are for a stopover in LHR, rather than a transit. Therefore, the above amounts included "about $300" for these UK taxes that I have actually paid. But even at about USD370 the taxes for KWI seem ridiculous. But, second, as Calchas suggested, AA said the taxes are re-assessed on all remaining unflown sectors, not just the one final sector I'm flying. Therefore, maybe the USD370-odd is not just KWI taxes but increased taxes on the five remaining sectors I have.
I was on the phone to AA for well over an hour and that's with my call initially being answered very quickly. The rates desk clearly has a complicated job. The RTW agent I spoke with was kind of reluctant to get me "quotes" on the taxes and I can see why. That said, it would be stupid of AA or any airline to expect a passenger with flexible plans to just say 'Go with x city, whatever the taxes are, and I'll pay them'. I have a choice of a few cities so I'm going to favour one with low taxes.
Finally, while waiting for the RTW desk to contact the rates desk I looked up KWI on Wikivoyage. In big letters: "Entry will be refused to citizens of Israel and to those who show stamps and/or visas from Israel". However, I called the Kuwait Embassy in Canberra this morning and the lady I spoke with says it's no issue for an Australian passport holder. I would feel better if that was written somewhere so I'll have a look in the trip report thread.
Sep 11, 2014, 11:52 pm
#244
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Yes that certainly does seem huge
Two important points. First, my ticket involved an involuntary re-route that resulted in CX becoming involved with my AA ticket. As a result, AA can't see that I've actually paid the UK APD or whatever the appropriate taxes are for a stopover in LHR, rather than a transit. Therefore, the above amounts included "about $300" for these UK taxes that I have actually paid. But even at about USD370 the taxes for KWI seem ridiculous.
Perhaps you should get CX to do the re-route?
On itasofware there are NO differences in taxes and surcharges between flying LHR-JED and LHR-KWI.
Both have UK-APD of GBP138, UK-PSC of GBP44.96 and BA-YQ of GBP159.50.
So a total of GBP342.46 (approx USD556)
(note: I've assumed you're travelling in a premium cabin and so do not get the 50% discount on APD that cattle class pax get)
On itasofware there are NO differences in taxes and surcharges between flying LHR-JED and LHR-KWI.
Both have UK-APD of GBP138, UK-PSC of GBP44.96 and BA-YQ of GBP159.50.
So a total of GBP342.46 (approx USD556)
(note: I've assumed you're travelling in a premium cabin and so do not get the 50% discount on APD that cattle class pax get)
But, second, as Calchas suggested, AA said the taxes are re-assessed on all remaining unflown sectors, not just the one final sector I'm flying. Therefore, maybe the USD370-odd is not just KWI taxes but increased taxes on the five remaining sectors I have.
Interesting to know
Personally, I am not aware of any recent significant changes in taxes
Or of significant changes in exchange rates, which might? impact the total taxes when expressed in USD
Personally, I am not aware of any recent significant changes in taxes
Or of significant changes in exchange rates, which might? impact the total taxes when expressed in USD
Finally, while waiting for the RTW desk to contact the rates desk I looked up KWI on Wikivoyage. In big letters: "Entry will be refused to citizens of Israel and to those who show stamps and/or visas from Israel". However, I called the Kuwait Embassy in Canberra this morning and the lady I spoke with says it's no issue for an Australian passport holder. I would feel better if that was written somewhere so I'll have a look in the trip report thread.
I've just done some checking in EF
For Australian, UK and US passport holders there is no mention of Israeli stamps
Whereas for Israeli passport holders, it states "Admission and transit is refused to holders of Israeli travel document(s), even if not leaving the aircraft and proceeding by the same flight."
For Australian, UK and US passport holders there is no mention of Israeli stamps
Whereas for Israeli passport holders, it states "Admission and transit is refused to holders of Israeli travel document(s), even if not leaving the aircraft and proceeding by the same flight."
Sep 12, 2014, 4:30 am
#245
Join Date: Apr 2007
Programs: QF, VA, AC, Hyatt, Marriott
Posts: 3,784
Perhaps you should get CX to do the re-route?
On itasofware there are NO differences in taxes and surcharges between flying LHR-JED and LHR-KWI.
Both have UK-APD of GBP138, UK-PSC of GBP44.96 and BA-YQ of GBP159.50.
So a total of GBP342.46 (approx USD556)
(note: I've assumed you're travelling in a premium cabin and so do not get the 50% discount on APD that cattle class pax get)
On itasofware there are NO differences in taxes and surcharges between flying LHR-JED and LHR-KWI.
Both have UK-APD of GBP138, UK-PSC of GBP44.96 and BA-YQ of GBP159.50.
So a total of GBP342.46 (approx USD556)
(note: I've assumed you're travelling in a premium cabin and so do not get the 50% discount on APD that cattle class pax get)
Thanks for checking the numbers. I might give CX a call and see what they quote. Yes, it's Business.
I've just done some checking in EF
For Australian, UK and US passport holders there is no mention of Israeli stamps
Whereas for Israeli passport holders, it states "Admission and transit is refused to holders of Israeli travel document(s), even if not leaving the aircraft and proceeding by the same flight."
For Australian, UK and US passport holders there is no mention of Israeli stamps
Whereas for Israeli passport holders, it states "Admission and transit is refused to holders of Israeli travel document(s), even if not leaving the aircraft and proceeding by the same flight."
I'll report back after I've spoken with CX and AA again.
Sep 12, 2014, 5:38 am
#246
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Location: London
Posts: 17,007
Good point. The taxes do seem ridiculously high.
Thanks for checking the numbers. I might give CX a call and see what they quote. Yes, it's Business.
Many thanks for that. It would seem KWI is the winner. Now I just have to talk to EY and see about award space between KWI and AUH.
I'll report back after I've spoken with CX and AA again.
Thanks for checking the numbers. I might give CX a call and see what they quote. Yes, it's Business.
Many thanks for that. It would seem KWI is the winner. Now I just have to talk to EY and see about award space between KWI and AUH.
I'll report back after I've spoken with CX and AA again.
My money is on fuel surcharges—or a mistake.
Also—thanks for posting back, often we get questions and never know the answer.
Sep 12, 2014, 9:55 pm
#247
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All done. KWI it is.
As a result of the debacle that ensued with my ticket over a six week period earlier this year following my involuntary re-route (which involved me wrongly being denied boarding in LAX earlier this month because AA believed I hadn't paid the UK taxes), AA waived the change fee. As pandaperth suggested, the taxes were the same for LHR-KWI as they were LHR-JED. Because of this waiver I regrettably can't offer anything more definitive on whether taxes are reassessed on only the changed sector or on the entirety of the remaining itinerary. In that respect all I have is noted above and commensurate with what Calchas notes: taxes are reassessed on all remaining flights.
Thank you all for your help with this one. It's all worked out in the end.
Also a bug-bear of mine when people seek assistance but don't report back.
As a result of the debacle that ensued with my ticket over a six week period earlier this year following my involuntary re-route (which involved me wrongly being denied boarding in LAX earlier this month because AA believed I hadn't paid the UK taxes), AA waived the change fee. As pandaperth suggested, the taxes were the same for LHR-KWI as they were LHR-JED. Because of this waiver I regrettably can't offer anything more definitive on whether taxes are reassessed on only the changed sector or on the entirety of the remaining itinerary. In that respect all I have is noted above and commensurate with what Calchas notes: taxes are reassessed on all remaining flights.
Thank you all for your help with this one. It's all worked out in the end.
Also a bug-bear of mine when people seek assistance but don't report back.
Sep 13, 2014, 12:11 am
#248
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Sep 27, 2014, 2:27 pm
#250
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Programs: BA Silver - QF Lifetime Silver
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YY = All Airlines
OW RTW = OneWorld Round The World
This will stop auto cancellation by individual airline systems based on their ticketing time limits for bookings in L, D and A Class.
Sep 27, 2014, 5:17 pm
#251
Join Date: Aug 2004
Programs: AA (EP), Hilton (Diamond), Marriott Bonvoy (Titanium)
Posts: 8,937
Thanks. Interesting that the abbreviation is RTW not ATW. I know we FTers always call it RTW, but when I call the AA RTW desk, the agents there refer to it as ATW.
Sep 28, 2014, 1:44 am
#252
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Programs: QFF
Posts: 5,304
Sep 28, 2014, 1:50 am
#253
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Posts: 5,304
They noted that they had to have the info for ticket issue by 22/23SEP (depart 29SEP) or QR and BA would cancel their sectors. The flights (QF, CX, AA, BA, QR) were on hold for 3 weeks. Normally the airline would have released the hold with a day or two.
Oct 1, 2014, 1:17 am
#254
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New Version 1-Oct-2014
Two changes that I can see are:
Rule 4(j) the airline Gestair has been dropped from the list of IB-affiliated airlines that can be used
Rule 5 the rule on voluntary downgrades to lower cabins has been slightly improved
Rule 4(j) the airline Gestair has been dropped from the list of IB-affiliated airlines that can be used
Rule 5 the rule on voluntary downgrades to lower cabins has been slightly improved
Old Wording was:
The new wording is:
NOTE: For flights where First or Business Class is not offered or available, passengers may travel in a lower Class, in the applicable booking code for that lower Class.
NOTE: For flights where First or Business Class is not offered or available, passengers may travel in a lower Class, in the applicable booking code for that lower Class.
Where the applicable booking class for the lower class is not available,
Passengers travelling on First Class Fares may book Y class
Passengers travelling on DONE* Business Class Fares may book B class
Where the applicable booking class for the lower class is not available,
Passengers travelling on First Class Fares may book Y class
Passengers travelling on DONE* Business Class Fares may book B class
Oct 1, 2014, 12:13 pm
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The new wording is:
NOTE: For flights where First or Business Class is not offered or available, passengers may travel in a lower Class, in the applicable booking code for that lower Class.
Where the applicable booking class for the lower class is not available,
Passengers travelling on First Class Fares may book Y class
Passengers travelling on DONE* Business Class Fares may book B class
Where the applicable booking class for the lower class is not available,
Passengers travelling on First Class Fares may book Y class
Passengers travelling on DONE* Business Class Fares may book B class