New FS hotel plans (up to 2012)
Sep 14, 2011, 11:22 am
#421
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even if capacity is not an issue, there is no way to avoid lines
if a large property offers some expensive/etc amenity, then tiered accommodation can help
OTOH tiered accommodation could be separate properties
OTOH large properties with expensive/etc amenities are no different than small properties with "normal" amenities >
"aman
if a large property offers some expensive/etc amenity, then tiered accommodation can help
OTOH tiered accommodation could be separate properties
OTOH large properties with expensive/etc amenities are no different than small properties with "normal" amenities >
"aman
Sep 14, 2011, 11:28 am
#422
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not trying to overstate, just raising.
im sure there are some very small properties with matching amenities.
if aman's margins could be above average, they could add missing amenities and then have average margins.
and FS are comparatively small, especially versus RC. thats why this came up.
HK is probably more about HK. its not better regarded than other HK properties. but it is indeed possibly the least mixed and best regarded FS over 250 rooms. because its HK, not just asia. pen tokyo would be an even better example. im not sure how hualalai's large number of residences might factor into this discussion.
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unfortunately we are now not talking about HK/tokyo/asia but orlando FL. will be very interesting to see. large. but perhaps better location for service than south florida? perhaps FS/disney residence monthly revenue will help? RC has a club level and a spa pool. perhaps the lower cost of living (and climate) will attract good FS staff from other properties? clearly equity/finance holders are also a factor, either positive or negative.
im sure there are some very small properties with matching amenities.
if aman's margins could be above average, they could add missing amenities and then have average margins.
and FS are comparatively small, especially versus RC. thats why this came up.
HK is probably more about HK. its not better regarded than other HK properties. but it is indeed possibly the least mixed and best regarded FS over 250 rooms. because its HK, not just asia. pen tokyo would be an even better example. im not sure how hualalai's large number of residences might factor into this discussion.
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unfortunately we are now not talking about HK/tokyo/asia but orlando FL. will be very interesting to see. large. but perhaps better location for service than south florida? perhaps FS/disney residence monthly revenue will help? RC has a club level and a spa pool. perhaps the lower cost of living (and climate) will attract good FS staff from other properties? clearly equity/finance holders are also a factor, either positive or negative.
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Sep 15, 2011, 8:10 am
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prague update http://www.breakingtravelnews.com/ne...que-buildings/
Four Seasons Prague unveils new looks in modern [main?] and Baroque buildings...The Lobby and Renaissance building phases are complete, and remodeling of Classical building will follow. Redesign of the Hotel´s restaurant is scheduled for completion in the winter of 2012.
Sep 15, 2011, 12:47 pm
#424
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Can FS really sell 444 rooms at FS rates per night on a regular basis?
http://travel.usatoday.com/hotels/po...world/547151/1
http://travel.usatoday.com/hotels/po...world/547151/1
Sep 15, 2011, 10:33 pm
#426
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not trying to overstate, just raising.
im sure there are some very small properties with matching amenities.
if aman's margins could be above average, they could add missing amenities and then have average margins.
and FS are comparatively small, especially versus RC. thats why this came up.
HK is probably more about HK. its not better regarded than other HK properties. but it is indeed possibly the least mixed and best regarded FS over 250 rooms. because its HK, not just asia. pen tokyo would be an even better example. im not sure how hualalai's large number of residences might factor into this discussion.
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unfortunately we are now not talking about HK/tokyo/asia but orlando FL. will be very interesting to see. large. but perhaps better location for service than south florida? perhaps FS/disney residence monthly revenue will help? RC has a club level and a spa pool. perhaps the lower cost of living (and climate) will attract good FS staff from other properties? clearly equity/finance holders are also a factor, either positive or negative.
im sure there are some very small properties with matching amenities.
if aman's margins could be above average, they could add missing amenities and then have average margins.
and FS are comparatively small, especially versus RC. thats why this came up.
HK is probably more about HK. its not better regarded than other HK properties. but it is indeed possibly the least mixed and best regarded FS over 250 rooms. because its HK, not just asia. pen tokyo would be an even better example. im not sure how hualalai's large number of residences might factor into this discussion.
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unfortunately we are now not talking about HK/tokyo/asia but orlando FL. will be very interesting to see. large. but perhaps better location for service than south florida? perhaps FS/disney residence monthly revenue will help? RC has a club level and a spa pool. perhaps the lower cost of living (and climate) will attract good FS staff from other properties? clearly equity/finance holders are also a factor, either positive or negative.
Sep 15, 2011, 11:37 pm
#427
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There are a lot of well-to-do people who want to take their kids to the Orlando theme parks. I recently went to Disneyland in Anaheim with my wife and had to settle for the Hyatt Regency as there were no luxury hotels in the vicinty. I'm sure FS did their usual due diligence and market research before agreeing to manage this property. This property will appeal to the growing number of high-end foreign tourists who are familiar with a global brand like FS.
And while there may be some who shudder at the trend of new FS properties that aren't in the same league as George V or Tented Camp, the company's primary objective is to make money, not to maintain a cachet of ultra exclusivity to please a small subset of super high end travellers.
And while there may be some who shudder at the trend of new FS properties that aren't in the same league as George V or Tented Camp, the company's primary objective is to make money, not to maintain a cachet of ultra exclusivity to please a small subset of super high end travellers.
Sep 16, 2011, 6:43 am
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There are a lot of well-to-do people who want to take their kids to the Orlando theme parks. I recently went to Disneyland in Anaheim with my wife and had to settle for the Hyatt Regency as there were no luxury hotels in the vicinty. I'm sure FS did their usual due diligence and market research before agreeing to manage this property. This property will appeal to the growing number of high-end foreign tourists who are familiar with a global brand like FS.
And while there may be some who shudder at the trend of new FS properties that aren't in the same league as George V or Tented Camp, the company's primary objective is to make money, not to maintain a cachet of ultra exclusivity to please a small subset of super high end travellers.
And while there may be some who shudder at the trend of new FS properties that aren't in the same league as George V or Tented Camp, the company's primary objective is to make money, not to maintain a cachet of ultra exclusivity to please a small subset of super high end travellers.
Sep 16, 2011, 7:13 am
#429
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Theme parks like Disney need better accommodation in the luxury sector, I can see why FS is doing this, they see a business opportunity with a cash cow being located inside Disney, which is always filled with people. I would like to visit theme parks with my family but everywhere you want to go there are no luxury market hotels. Same is euro disney,,
Im glad they are doing this, setting an example! OK they could do it with smaller scale instead of 444 rooms,,,
Im glad they are doing this, setting an example! OK they could do it with smaller scale instead of 444 rooms,,,
Sep 16, 2011, 7:31 am
#430
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I agree that FS will have no problem filling this place. I see it as a natural extension of their 'family friendly' policy. Sadly, I also see it as a natural extension of their 'bigger is better' policy that they now seem to be following.
Of course, it remains to be seen if they can offer 'true' FS service at a property of this size - especially a resort. It also remains to be seen if they will actually NEED to provide that level of service to make most guests happy - after all, it's not like there is a whole lot of competition at the luxury level in that area.
Of course, it remains to be seen if they can offer 'true' FS service at a property of this size - especially a resort. It also remains to be seen if they will actually NEED to provide that level of service to make most guests happy - after all, it's not like there is a whole lot of competition at the luxury level in that area.
Sep 16, 2011, 9:09 am
#432
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I am almost embarrassed to admit that having a Four Seasons makes me much more likely to take my kids to Disneyworld. It would make the trip a lot more pleasant although the Grand Floridian is supposed to be fairly nice.
Sep 16, 2011, 2:02 pm
#433
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the opening of the Four Seasons Baku has been delayed to early 2012 and the hotel's website is now open with a few pictures uploaded http://www.fourseasons.com/baku/
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Sep 16, 2011, 4:06 pm
#434
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I agree that FS will have no problem filling this place. I see it as a natural extension of their 'family friendly' policy. Sadly, I also see it as a natural extension of their 'bigger is better' policy that they now seem to be following.
Of course, it remains to be seen if they can offer 'true' FS service at a property of this size - especially a resort. It also remains to be seen if they will actually NEED to provide that level of service to make most guests happy - after all, it's not like there is a whole lot of competition at the luxury level in that area.
Of course, it remains to be seen if they can offer 'true' FS service at a property of this size - especially a resort. It also remains to be seen if they will actually NEED to provide that level of service to make most guests happy - after all, it's not like there is a whole lot of competition at the luxury level in that area.
Sep 21, 2011, 8:55 am
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Looks like St Petersburg is scheduled for mid 2012
http://jobs.fourseasons.com/ourcompa...s_resorts.aspx
http://jobs.fourseasons.com/ourcompa...s_resorts.aspx
http://www.4hoteliers.com/4hots_fshw.php?mwi=6317
Richard Raab has been named Hotel Manager for the Four Seasons Lion Palace St. Petersburg. He has been with the company since 1998, most recently as Resort Manager at the Four Seasons Nevis.
Ernesto Velasco has transferred as Director of Finance to the Four Seasons Lion Palace St. Petersburg. He is the former Director of Finance at the Four Seasons Mauritius at Anahita and at the Four Seasons Maldives at Landaa Giraavaru.
Ernesto Velasco has transferred as Director of Finance to the Four Seasons Lion Palace St. Petersburg. He is the former Director of Finance at the Four Seasons Mauritius at Anahita and at the Four Seasons Maldives at Landaa Giraavaru.
Mandarin Oriental is building a dream team in Europe: Gilles Humeau, the former Director of Marketing at the Four Seasons George V, has been named Vice President of Sales, Southern Europe.