The_Daddy

I apologies if this has been discussed earlier in the thread....


Seems Casa de Campo will not happen anymore

and, i will be shocked if this is confirmed but rumors are out that they could close/sell "Milan"!!!! I do not usually trust too much word of mouth, but this source has been proved very acknowledged in the past.... have you heard anything similar?

Kagehitokiri

http://www.statuto.it/en/hotel_e_resort.html
bought FS from quinlan in 2006 for €200mm+
http://ehotelier.com/hospitality-new...A7993_0_11_0_M
bought danieli in 2005 for €177mm

Kagehitokiri

http://www.fourseasons.com/toronto-n...ms_and_suites/ pics updated
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...8.150550247946 guangzhou renderings

BaumeMercier

Having just been to casa de campo and seen the site that was supposed to become the four seasons resort, i can confirm that there is definitely nothing going on.
And it would not make sense to build another hotel inside the resort, they would compete each other out. Casa de Campo hotel is beautiful now after the renovations but some of the rooms are certainly not of LHW standards.
I have head though that four seasons is looking for other sites in dominican republic,,,

Shangri-La

I heard the same thing.

The rooms don't look bad, but they seem uninspiring and "FS Generic" to me.

phantom862

http://press.fourseasons.com/news-re...-open-in-2014/

TRAVELSIG

Thank you for posting- unfortunately it sounds both awful and a very strange turn for the Four Seasons Strategy:

The development will include a 444-room Four Seasons resort plus up to 40 Four Seasons Residence Club units and up to 90 Four Seasons Private Residences. Within the resort will be several dining venues including a rooftop restaurant with Magic Kingdom views; a 14,000 square foot (1,300 square metre) spa with 18 treatment rooms; a fitness centre; three pools and a “lazy river”; sports facilities including tennis courts, basketball court and climbing wall; two recreational centres for children, teens and families; and approximately 37,750 square feet (3,500 square metres) of meeting and event space plus a business centre. The development will encompass the existing Tom Fazio-designed Osprey Ridge 18-hole championship golf course, which will be renovated and subsequently managed by Four Seasons.Four Seasons Resort Orlando at Walt Disney World Resort is an enclave located within the Golden Oak residential community, created and master-planned by Disney.

vuittonsofstyle

I am sure that this is not something that Issy Sharp would have condoned when he was in charge. This type of property proves to me that FS are fragmenting their brand - populist second-tier properties like this versus exclusive discerning properties such as FS Florence & George V. We could be witnessing the demise of this once great hotel brand, rather like we witnessed the gradual fall of Ritz-Carlton post Marriott.

TRAVELSIG

Let's see what happens. It is impossible to provide personalized service in a 440+ room hotel with residences, huge meeting spaces, and vacation (time share) apartments. I cannot see how this will help the Four Seasons brand or indeed clarify positioning as you have (I am in full agreement) suggested. Disney is great. Four Seasons is great. Putting the two together in this proposed way sounds like FS is moving far closer to Hyatt (and not Park Hyatt!).

Kagehitokiri

up to 40 fractionals and up to 90 residences = ^
although disney residences have 6 month min lease
maybe hope for fractionals in hotel inventory with private lobby/etc

444 rooms =
maybe hope for club level like buenos aires (25 rooms) and maui (26-31 rooms)
RC/FS equal/larger, slightly edited >
timeshares = one week (only aviara and scottsdale)
fractionals = multiple weeks
2003 annual report says initial orlando transaction was fourth quarter 2002

october 2003 http://www.allbusiness.com/transport...4234284-1.html >
march 2007 http://corporate.disney.go.com/corpo...ons030207.html >
alwaleed/gates offer announced november 2006, closed february 2007

Kagehitokiri

1998 and 1999 annual reports mention bodrum.

did that end up as kempinski like indian properties? (reports suggest similarities - residences/rooms/timing.)

or was the project on hold until now?

phantom862

Watch this news video. Apparently the hotel will employ a large no of people so service won't be compromised ......... i guess.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news...ing-to-orlando

Personally i feel the no of rooms is wise since Orlando is becoming an attractive destination for many international travellers.....esp for the Chinese
even though they have a Disneyland at HK .

Goodmorning2U

I agree. If a large hotel has a luxury level staff to guest ratio and a luxury level space to guest ratio, the size of the hotel doesn't matter to me. The size seems to impact most directly exclusivity and exclusivity is one of the "luxury" factors to which I'm least sensitive. A large hotel can also afford to offer amenities which doesn't make sense financially to offer in a smaller hotel. I tend to appreciate these amenities, like a top notch gym and class offering. We have an example of this model working well already...The Four Seasons Hong Kong seems to be amongst the very favorite of discerning FS guests who stay there.

Part of the reason some of us feel Ritz Carlton's aren't offering the level of luxury that they used to offer is because the level of competition has risen dramatically over last 10-20 years and they seem to suffer too great a variety of quality across their brand.

Kagehitokiri

even if capacity is not an issue, there is no way to avoid lines

if a large property offers some expensive/etc amenity, then tiered accommodation can help

OTOH tiered accommodation could be separate properties

OTOH large properties with expensive/etc amenities are no different than small properties with "normal" amenities >

aman

damaxer91

I'm waiting for the first person to complain how "Disney" it is