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Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread
Jun 3, 2014 | 5:40 pm
#841
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http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2...vel-increases/
So much for "the mighty force of FT will make 'em pay for what they've done".
So much for "the mighty force of FT will make 'em pay for what they've done".
Jun 3, 2014 | 8:02 pm
#842
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Suburban Philadelphia
Programs: Marriott Lifetime Plat, IHG Gold
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My spending patterns have changed, but it's more due to my new employer's contracts that do not seem to be very brand-centric. For example, we have one Marriott property in EWR with a great rate. Most other towns we don't have any Marriott rates, but IHG and Radisson we seem to have good rates. Rather than being a Plat Marriott and/or Gold Hilton now I'm going to end up being 2nd tier in about 4 programs because of my company's hit and miss hotel contracts.
Jun 3, 2014 | 8:15 pm
#843
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: PHL
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During 2013, I was able to more equally split my stays between Hilton and Marriott and was Diamond/Platinum respectfully. This year, due to some corporate rates my company has, and the MISERABLE affordable properties in Waikiki in the Marriott brand (Courtyard Waikiki, I'm looking at you!), I have already made Diamond plus some at Hilton and only have 21 nights with Marriott.
When I am not in HI, I check Hilton and Marriott rates wherever I travel. 9 times out of 10, the Hiltons price out significantly cheaper. So, I stay with Hilton. For instance, this week I am at the Doubletree Club at SNA for $139 and the Courtyard across the street was $199. Don't even get me started that my normal Doubletree here at SNA (not this "club" DT) is not participating in this quarter's promo...
So.. I guess for me, if the prices and availability were the same, I would be sending most of my business to Marriott. But I can't justify the price differences just for the sake of getting Marriott nights just to spite Hilton.
When I am not in HI, I check Hilton and Marriott rates wherever I travel. 9 times out of 10, the Hiltons price out significantly cheaper. So, I stay with Hilton. For instance, this week I am at the Doubletree Club at SNA for $139 and the Courtyard across the street was $199. Don't even get me started that my normal Doubletree here at SNA (not this "club" DT) is not participating in this quarter's promo...
So.. I guess for me, if the prices and availability were the same, I would be sending most of my business to Marriott. But I can't justify the price differences just for the sake of getting Marriott nights just to spite Hilton.
Jun 3, 2014 | 8:20 pm
#844
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I stay at more Hiltons than I did before, I'm actually on track to make Diamond for my first time ever this year. Yes, the devaluations suck, but Hilton has so many promotions in which I earn an insane amount of points it doesn't feel that painful, at least not for me. Plus, I'm treated very well as a Gold.
Jun 3, 2014 | 8:47 pm
#845
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Bay Area, CA
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Everyone on here acts like anybody cares that they take their business elsewhere. You take your 120 nights to another chain.. someone else comes over to Hilton because their waffles at the Marriott in Billings Montana were too soft.
Jun 3, 2014 | 8:56 pm
#846
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Location: TUL
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Jun 3, 2014 | 9:52 pm
#847
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I decided to forego HH Diamond after about 10 years and settled for Gold in 2013.
I am maintaining HH Gold with 20 stays in 2014, whereas I have increased my SPG stays and nights to reach 50 nights for the 10 SNA for the first time.
I have not used my HH points since devaluation, but the few times I checked, the premium points were ridiculous.
I am maintaining HH Gold with 20 stays in 2014, whereas I have increased my SPG stays and nights to reach 50 nights for the 10 SNA for the first time.
I have not used my HH points since devaluation, but the few times I checked, the premium points were ridiculous.
Jun 3, 2014 | 10:23 pm
#848
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 75
Left Hilton after 12+ years as a Diamond but my main issue with them is the lack of a lifetime status benefit. Now I'm focused on Hyatt and SPG where all my stays are counting for lifetime status. Would probably switch back to Hilton if they ever introduced a lifetime benefit, but until then I have to say being a Hyatt Diamond is pretty great.
Jun 4, 2014 | 3:31 am
#849
Join Date: Jul 2004
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Not that Hilton gives a rip, but I've moved all my business to Marriott since devaluation. I'm glad I split my Hilton/Marriott stays for the past 12 yrs. I'll have lifetime MR Plat in about 2 years. Still have 170k to cash in. I cashed on 900k before the deval a year ago.
I miss the free breakfast at Hilton and Conrad Maldives.
I miss the free breakfast at Hilton and Conrad Maldives.
Jun 4, 2014 | 6:44 am
#850
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Omaha
Programs: AA Life Plat 3.99m, Hilton Diamond
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I still give 95% of my 75 nights to Hilton and for the most part get treated great. I earn enough points between Citi and stays to take a fabulous vacation every year virtually free. If I stay away from point stays in London, New York, ect the devaluation didnt seem to effect me much.
Jun 4, 2014 | 7:53 am
#851
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No real change in my stay patterns.
I've almost always been Marriott for business trips: I like their FS product better and they happen to be in ideal locations for my 3-4 most common destinations.
I continue to use the HH Amex just enough to stay Diamond and build a base of points deep enough to cover a 4 to 6 night stay at a resort property. This is where Marriott fails: no benefits for elites at resorts. So I go Hilton for those.
I also like HH's lower-end brands more than Marriott's. So I throw a few paid stays in the direction of HGI, HI, Homewood, etc. each year. Roadtrips to visit family, that kind of thing...
The devaluation hasn't changed my stay patterns mainly because my bigger spending was always Marriott to begin with. If my business stays were all Hilton, it might be a different story, as the devaluation would then bite a lot harder. It would depend on how inconvenient it was to switch to another brand.
I've almost always been Marriott for business trips: I like their FS product better and they happen to be in ideal locations for my 3-4 most common destinations.
I continue to use the HH Amex just enough to stay Diamond and build a base of points deep enough to cover a 4 to 6 night stay at a resort property. This is where Marriott fails: no benefits for elites at resorts. So I go Hilton for those.
I also like HH's lower-end brands more than Marriott's. So I throw a few paid stays in the direction of HGI, HI, Homewood, etc. each year. Roadtrips to visit family, that kind of thing...
The devaluation hasn't changed my stay patterns mainly because my bigger spending was always Marriott to begin with. If my business stays were all Hilton, it might be a different story, as the devaluation would then bite a lot harder. It would depend on how inconvenient it was to switch to another brand.
Jun 4, 2014 | 8:40 am
#852
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: LA
Programs: DL GM, HH Diamond
Posts: 727
This x 1000! Even the loss of the OP's company's business - do you really think those rooms didn't get booked? And probably at a higher rate if your company had a negotiated rate deal with Hilton.
Last edited by lsumegan; Jun 4, 2014 at 8:56 am
Jun 4, 2014 | 8:54 am
#853
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Quote:
"Revenue for the three months ended March 31 was $2.34 billion, up from $2.26 billion a year ago and matching Wall Street expectations.
The improvement was driven by a 6.6% increase in revenue per available room (RevPAR) and franchise fees. It also continued to expand its timeshare fleet, with EBITDA expanding by 44% to $85 million.
Citing confidence for the rest of the year, Hilton raised its fiscal 2014 adjusted earnings outlook to between 64 cents and 67 cents, above the consensus view of 60 cents.
CEO Christopher Nassetta said the company sees strong global RevPAR growth with systemwide comparable RevPAR growing by as much as 7%. It also continues its aggressive expansion, opening more than 9,000 new rooms in the first quarter, and getting approved for a total of 15,000."
Based on this they are renting less rooms. The revenue is up by 3.5%, yet the room rates are up by 6.6%, and enough of the revenue increase came from Franchise Fees for them to make note of that. So it looks like Hilton is charging more, filling less rooms to me, and the increase in rates made up for the loss in business.
It looks as though Starwood had roughly the same increase in rates, but they had higher Occupancy as well: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0NG3GZ20140424
Marriott's rate only rose 3.3%, but they increased occupancy as well: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A3S18E20140429
So it looks to me like Hilton has less people staying at their properties, while SPG and Marriott both saw an increase based on the earnings reports.
Flyertalk is a forum for people that are really into Rewards and Travel, and trying to maximize their experiences. I am more so curious as to what the take is from this forum. It doesn't sound like I am alone in my thoughts, but it doesn't sound like I am in the overwhelming majority either.
I do think that the devaluation effected Hilton in the number of people staying with them based on the financial numbers the big 3 are reporting. At the very least we have a correlation.
"Revenue for the three months ended March 31 was $2.34 billion, up from $2.26 billion a year ago and matching Wall Street expectations.
The improvement was driven by a 6.6% increase in revenue per available room (RevPAR) and franchise fees. It also continued to expand its timeshare fleet, with EBITDA expanding by 44% to $85 million.
Citing confidence for the rest of the year, Hilton raised its fiscal 2014 adjusted earnings outlook to between 64 cents and 67 cents, above the consensus view of 60 cents.
CEO Christopher Nassetta said the company sees strong global RevPAR growth with systemwide comparable RevPAR growing by as much as 7%. It also continues its aggressive expansion, opening more than 9,000 new rooms in the first quarter, and getting approved for a total of 15,000."
Based on this they are renting less rooms. The revenue is up by 3.5%, yet the room rates are up by 6.6%, and enough of the revenue increase came from Franchise Fees for them to make note of that. So it looks like Hilton is charging more, filling less rooms to me, and the increase in rates made up for the loss in business.
It looks as though Starwood had roughly the same increase in rates, but they had higher Occupancy as well: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0NG3GZ20140424
Marriott's rate only rose 3.3%, but they increased occupancy as well: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A3S18E20140429
So it looks to me like Hilton has less people staying at their properties, while SPG and Marriott both saw an increase based on the earnings reports.
Flyertalk is a forum for people that are really into Rewards and Travel, and trying to maximize their experiences. I am more so curious as to what the take is from this forum. It doesn't sound like I am alone in my thoughts, but it doesn't sound like I am in the overwhelming majority either.
I do think that the devaluation effected Hilton in the number of people staying with them based on the financial numbers the big 3 are reporting. At the very least we have a correlation.
Last edited by mspreh; Jun 4, 2014 at 9:05 am
Jun 4, 2014 | 9:06 am
#854
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: LA
Programs: DL GM, HH Diamond
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Quote:
Revenue for the three months ended March 31 was $2.34 billion, up from $2.26 billion a year ago and matching Wall Street expectations.
The improvement was driven by a 6.6% increase in revenue per available room (RevPAR) and franchise fees. It also continued to expand its timeshare fleet, with EBITDA expanding by 44% to $85 million.
Citing confidence for the rest of the year, Hilton raised its fiscal 2014 adjusted earnings outlook to between 64 cents and 67 cents, above the consensus view of 60 cents.
CEO Christopher Nassetta said the company sees strong global RevPAR growth with systemwide comparable RevPAR growing by as much as 7%. It also continues its aggressive expansion, opening more than 9,000 new rooms in the first quarter, and getting approved for a total of 15,000.
Based on this they are renting less rooms. The revenue is up by 3.5%, yet the room rates are up by 6.6%, and enough of the revenue increase came from Franchise Fees for them to make note of that. So it looks like Hilton is charging more, filling less rooms to me, and the increase in rates made up for the loss in business.
It looks as though Starwood had roughly the same increase in rates, but they had higher Occupancy as well: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0NG3GZ20140424
Marriott's rate only rose 3.3%, but they increased occupancy as well: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A3S18E20140429
So it looks to me like Hilton has less people staying at their properties, while SPG and Marriott both saw an increase based on the earnings reports.
Flyertalk is a forum for people that are really into Rewards and Travel, and trying to maximize their experiences. I am more so curious as to what the take is from this forum. It doesn't sound like I am alone in my thoughts, but it doesn't sound like I am in the overwhelming majority either.
I do think that the devaluation effected Hilton in the number of people staying with them based on the financial numbers the big 3 are reporting. At the very least we have a correlation.
Revenue for the three months ended March 31 was $2.34 billion, up from $2.26 billion a year ago and matching Wall Street expectations.
The improvement was driven by a 6.6% increase in revenue per available room (RevPAR) and franchise fees. It also continued to expand its timeshare fleet, with EBITDA expanding by 44% to $85 million.
Citing confidence for the rest of the year, Hilton raised its fiscal 2014 adjusted earnings outlook to between 64 cents and 67 cents, above the consensus view of 60 cents.
CEO Christopher Nassetta said the company sees strong global RevPAR growth with systemwide comparable RevPAR growing by as much as 7%. It also continues its aggressive expansion, opening more than 9,000 new rooms in the first quarter, and getting approved for a total of 15,000.
Based on this they are renting less rooms. The revenue is up by 3.5%, yet the room rates are up by 6.6%, and enough of the revenue increase came from Franchise Fees for them to make note of that. So it looks like Hilton is charging more, filling less rooms to me, and the increase in rates made up for the loss in business.
It looks as though Starwood had roughly the same increase in rates, but they had higher Occupancy as well: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0NG3GZ20140424
Marriott's rate only rose 3.3%, but they increased occupancy as well: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A3S18E20140429
So it looks to me like Hilton has less people staying at their properties, while SPG and Marriott both saw an increase based on the earnings reports.
Flyertalk is a forum for people that are really into Rewards and Travel, and trying to maximize their experiences. I am more so curious as to what the take is from this forum. It doesn't sound like I am alone in my thoughts, but it doesn't sound like I am in the overwhelming majority either.
I do think that the devaluation effected Hilton in the number of people staying with them based on the financial numbers the big 3 are reporting. At the very least we have a correlation.
Jun 4, 2014 | 9:22 am
#855
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But does Hilton care how many people stay with them as long as they are making more money? I personally don't think so. And one could even argue that anyone would rather increase revenue through rate increases vs. occupancy, since there is no associated cost impact,thereby increasing the profit margin. And I also don't believe these numbers tell much about the effect of the devaluation since they are only for 1Q2014.
I agree that everyone devalued, but Hilton seemed to handle it with less grace. It is not going to bankrupt Hilton, but there's always a cost.