Apr 2, 2023, 5:01 pm
Last edit by: cblaisd
Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread
Dec 22, 2024 | 10:42 pm
#1666
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Danville, CA, USA;
Programs: UA 1MM, WN CP, Marriott LT Plat, Hilton Gold, IC Plat
Posts: 18,103
It makes good sense to be a free agent, unless you a receiving elite perks that effectively lower the comparative price of your room. I will happily pay for Hilton if the price/location/quality/value is right compared to other options. But I would not choose Hilton for the points, which are never more valuable than what I receive from competitors.
Well, actually it is at Hyatt, if Hyatt has a property where you need to go.
- Guaranteed suite upgrades
- Guaranteed breakfasts
- 4pm checkout (at least I've never been denied at Hyatt)
- All fraudulent resort aka amenity aka destination fees waived
- Parking fees waived on points stays
Dec 23, 2024 | 12:10 pm
#1667
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 21,283
I mean, great that they announce category changes but the end result is the same, the program is devalued for me, points get less useful.
IHG and Marriott are fully dynamic such that (as an example) a luxury hotel in London will run me six digits a night in points (considerably more than comparable Hilton properties BTW, which are capped well below 100k). Hyatt pricing is better in sheer volume of points but I have to burn a boatload of Chase UR that I'd rather use on flights and the earn proposition for stays isn't amazing unless I want to commit to Globalist (I don't).
I mean, that leaves you with what, Sonesta? Accor is flat rate "this point is worth this much a fraction of a euro" so that's not very lucrative.
It makes good sense to be a free agent, unless you a receiving elite perks that effectively lower the comparative price of your room. I will happily pay for Hilton if the price/location/quality/value is right compared to other options. But I would not choose Hilton for the points, which are never more valuable than what I receive from competitors.
Dec 23, 2024 | 9:38 pm
#1668
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Rochester, MN
Programs: UA Silver, Hilton HHonors Diamond, IHG Plat
Posts: 2,499
No, that's my actual lived experience. Hyatt has routinely jacked up award pricing at hotels I've stayed at as an elite. I used a Cat 1-4 cert to stay in Manhattan a few years ago. Now, can't do that. Hyatt Places moving from Cat 1 or Cat 2 to Cat 3 or Cat 4, and so on.
I mean, great that they announce category changes but the end result is the same, the program is devalued for me, points get less useful.
IHG and Marriott are fully dynamic such that (as an example) a luxury hotel in London will run me six digits a night in points (considerably more than comparable Hilton properties BTW, which are capped well below 100k). Hyatt pricing is better in sheer volume of points but I have to burn a boatload of Chase UR that I'd rather use on flights and the earn proposition for stays isn't amazing unless I want to commit to Globalist (I don't).
I mean, that leaves you with what, Sonesta? Accor is flat rate "this point is worth this much a fraction of a euro" so that's not very lucrative.
I've gotten 54x on Hilton stays and room charges with the Aspire when the stars align. I score that as a 27% rebate. There are times when I will choose Hilton for that kind of a rebate in free agency (and because the competition isn't running as lucrative a promo).
I mean, great that they announce category changes but the end result is the same, the program is devalued for me, points get less useful.
IHG and Marriott are fully dynamic such that (as an example) a luxury hotel in London will run me six digits a night in points (considerably more than comparable Hilton properties BTW, which are capped well below 100k). Hyatt pricing is better in sheer volume of points but I have to burn a boatload of Chase UR that I'd rather use on flights and the earn proposition for stays isn't amazing unless I want to commit to Globalist (I don't).
I mean, that leaves you with what, Sonesta? Accor is flat rate "this point is worth this much a fraction of a euro" so that's not very lucrative.
I've gotten 54x on Hilton stays and room charges with the Aspire when the stars align. I score that as a 27% rebate. There are times when I will choose Hilton for that kind of a rebate in free agency (and because the competition isn't running as lucrative a promo).