Last edit by: cblaisd
Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread
#1653


Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: FLL
Posts: 544
Is there any way to see if the total points required for a property is lower when you don't have enough points to redeem? I used all my points for an upcoming redemption but saw cash rates are now lower. I guessed that the total points for the 5 nights is also lower, yet I am not allowed to see the total points required (Hilton now only shows me cash and points). I even tried to modify the reservation and the same thing occurred. I took the chance and cancelled the points reservation and then I saw the total points required for redemption did drop by 14,000 points. So I booked the new points reservation. Is this the only way to do it? It's risky (as once I cancel I lose the room and may not get it back again, depending on occupancy levels). Any tricks here to see if less total points are avail for previously booked award stays?
Also on Android app it shows me total points needed when making a reservation.
#1654
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: flyover country
Posts: 2,857
My recollection is that the web site will say something like "first night 60,000 points" but will not give any indication if that amount varies for subsequent nights. Certainly I have looked at points redemptions while not signed in and have run into some roadblock that prevented me from seeing the total number of points required for a multi-night stay. Is there some step I'm missing?
#1655


Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: FLL
Posts: 544
My recollection is that the web site will say something like "first night 60,000 points" but will not give any indication if that amount varies for subsequent nights. Certainly I have looked at points redemptions while not signed in and have run into some roadblock that prevented me from seeing the total number of points required for a multi-night stay. Is there some step I'm missing?
So you multiply that with the number of nights. substracting 1 for every 5th night.
Or just use the mobile app and click the (i) on the left of the standard reward rate
#1656
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: flyover country
Posts: 2,857
On the initial results page, where many properties are listed, it says "60,000* points for the first night". On the hotel page, for standard room award, it says 60,000 per night (with no asterisk), but for all other rooms, it gives a point requirement for the first night (with an asterisk). Since an asterisk normally indicates a change during the stay, that seems to be a contradiction between the pages, but the point is that every rate with an asterisk says for the first night. Again, not logged in.
Last edited by serpens; Aug 13, 2023 at 10:41 am
#1657
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Saipan, MP 96950 USA (Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands = the CNMI)
Programs: UA Silver, Hilton Silver. Life: UA .60 MM, United & Admirals Clubs (spousal), Marriott Platinum
Posts: 18,051
#1659




Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Miami, FL
Programs: UA 1MM, AA Plat, Marriott LT Titanium, Hyatt Glob, IHG ♢ Amb, Hilton ♢, Hertz Pres
Posts: 6,174
On another note, just redeemed for my best value ever using Hilton points. 1.56 cents per using the 5th night free. It's during a special event, so cash prices in the area are incredibly high but since I'm going to the event - it saved me oodles. Finally Hilton paying some dividends!
#1661
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Danville, CA, USA;
Programs: UA 1MM, WN CP, Marriott LT Plat, Hilton Gold, IC Plat
Posts: 18,104
https://onemileatatime.com/news/hilt...-points-costs/
The lack of notice is appalling but unfortunately par for the course.
#1662
Ambassador: World of Hyatt




Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: San Diego,CA
Posts: 11,214
Just canceled thousands of dollars worth of reservations and moved to another program as I was planning a slight date modification
So unless you can’t live without Hilton we can vote with your wallets elsewhere
While I do enjoy a handful of their properties the reality is no guarantee of a late check out
a meager elite breakfast domestically iffy suite upgrades at best and now simply overpriced rooms on award and revenue
So for myself with rare exceptions I’m done with them
Did I say the lack of heads up from the Hilton Dishonors Ponzi scheme corporate management?
So unless you can’t live without Hilton we can vote with your wallets elsewhere
While I do enjoy a handful of their properties the reality is no guarantee of a late check out
a meager elite breakfast domestically iffy suite upgrades at best and now simply overpriced rooms on award and revenue
So for myself with rare exceptions I’m done with them
Did I say the lack of heads up from the Hilton Dishonors Ponzi scheme corporate management?
#1663



Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 5,305
Just canceled thousands of dollars worth of reservations and moved to another program as I was planning a slight date modification
So unless you can’t live without Hilton we can vote with your wallets elsewhere
While I do enjoy a handful of their properties the reality is no guarantee of a late check out
a meager elite breakfast domestically iffy suite upgrades at best and now simply overpriced rooms on award and revenue
So for myself with rare exceptions I’m done with them
Did I say the lack of heads up from the Hilton Dishonors Ponzi scheme corporate management?
So unless you can’t live without Hilton we can vote with your wallets elsewhere
While I do enjoy a handful of their properties the reality is no guarantee of a late check out
a meager elite breakfast domestically iffy suite upgrades at best and now simply overpriced rooms on award and revenue
So for myself with rare exceptions I’m done with them
Did I say the lack of heads up from the Hilton Dishonors Ponzi scheme corporate management?
#1664
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 21,286
Just canceled thousands of dollars worth of reservations and moved to another program as I was planning a slight date modification
So unless you can’t live without Hilton we can vote with your wallets elsewhere
While I do enjoy a handful of their properties the reality is no guarantee of a late check out
a meager elite breakfast domestically iffy suite upgrades at best and now simply overpriced rooms on award and revenue
So for myself with rare exceptions I’m done with them
Did I say the lack of heads up from the Hilton Dishonors Ponzi scheme corporate management?
So unless you can’t live without Hilton we can vote with your wallets elsewhere
While I do enjoy a handful of their properties the reality is no guarantee of a late check out
a meager elite breakfast domestically iffy suite upgrades at best and now simply overpriced rooms on award and revenue
So for myself with rare exceptions I’m done with them
Did I say the lack of heads up from the Hilton Dishonors Ponzi scheme corporate management?

Most expensive London hotel on random dates in summer 2025:
Hilton: 100k (Dukes)
Marriott: 128.5k (London EDITION)
IHG: 120k (intercontinental Park Lane)
FWIW, the FNC you get for the Hilton Aspire will actually cover a night at Dukes. Not so much a Marriott or IHG hotel in that price range.
Hyatt's definitely better pricewise for points but that's going to be a Chase UR transfer thing... good thing Hyatt hasn't been jacking prices and putting hotels in Category 8 lately, huh?
Last edited by eponymous_coward; Dec 22, 2024 at 6:50 pm
#1665
Ambassador: World of Hyatt




Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: San Diego,CA
Posts: 11,214
Ok to believe that but that’s what they want you to believe.
I’m doing better in other hotel programs with cost value relationship and
perks that matter
Unfortunately hotel programs have become much like airline programs
monkey see monkey do
As an example the absurd outrageous 500k one way in business class
which emboldened other programs to overprice
As a result I’m more engaged in some of the international programs
Upper Class to Europe in business class for 20 to 29k one way
As of now I am at almost 45% less in hotel redemption costs
next month over Hilton
While it won’t last for ever one must ride the gravy train while the going is good
Those that make excuses that they will all be bad eventually
misses opportunity likely
It’s sheep following the flock.
Example hundreds waiting for an uber Lyft with sky high pricing while taxis sit empty for a third of the price depending on the destination.
I crunch the numbers and do what’s best for myself and I urge you to do the same.
After decades thankfully I’m still finding the sweet spots in these programs granted it has gotten harder





