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Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:
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Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread
#1636




Join Date: Oct 2009
Programs: UA LT 1K/DL Plat/Hilton LT ♦/Hyatt Carbonado/Wyndham ♦/Marriott PE .
Posts: 5,742
In addition, if I remember correctly, the base reimbursement is very low-something on the order of 10% of rack, and increases dependent upon occupancy rate.
#1637




Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: NW London and NW Sydney
Programs: BA Diamond, Hilton Bronze, A3 Diamond, IHG *G
Posts: 7,148
I am pretty sure that I read in another thread that the reimbursement rate depends on hotel occupancy at check-in and has no relation at all to the points you spent.
In addition, if I remember correctly, the base reimbursement is very low-something on the order of 10% of rack, and increases dependent upon occupancy rate.
In addition, if I remember correctly, the base reimbursement is very low-something on the order of 10% of rack, and increases dependent upon occupancy rate.
#1638


Join Date: May 2003
Location: Eurozone
Programs: LH SEN, HH Gold
Posts: 3,017
That would seem to me to fly in the face of any valuation of points for the purpose of determining Hilton Honors' exposure for financial purposes. But you very well may be correct.
#1639
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: DFW
Posts: 520
Stealth Devaluation??
It appears as though the La Romana AI's have increased their award prices without notice sometime the past couple of weeks. It's been 80K/night for a quite a while with 2 adults, 2 kids - its now pricing at 100K or more for all dates. The Hilton Rose Hall seems to be pricing 100K+ for standard dates even when only 2 adults (and almost all '24 dates are pricing at Premium with no standard room). Has anyone else noticed anything? I thought maybe I missed an announcement, but Hilton has done this in the past too.
#1640




Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,069
Following the full introduction of dynamic pricing and the removal of price caps quite some time ago, the use of the term "devaluation" is devoid of meaning further on. Irrespective of whether we as consumers like it or not, hotels do not function in a plan economy with fixed prices, and I have no economic reasoning to object their ability to adjust prices, be it based on supply / demand considerations, inflation rates or even discretionary if this fits their business model. (As you noted yourself, other hotels, especially in the high end of the spectrum, and not only Hilton ones, have done that repeatedly in the past years, be it through point per night changes, category changes, and so on.) For me as consumer, the choices are obvious - continue to have my business with Hilton, move it to a competitor or opportunistically decide where to stay on discretionary basis, taking into consideration all relevant factors like location, comfort, hardware, etc. (and of course, price). I personally chose the latter, and currently have points pools with both Hilton and IHG, which I will avail of when and where it best fits my needs, I have zero pressure in that respect. My last remark here would be that over the recent years I have been more and more inclined to staying with IHG rather than Hilton - what I have been getting back as IHG 1R Diamond Ambassador has far outweighed what I have been getting back as Hilton Honors Diamond (and for the record, both status have been achieved and maintained through regular stay activities, no credit cards, no promo gaming, etc.)
#1641




Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 471
It appears as though the La Romana AI's have increased their award prices without notice sometime the past couple of weeks. It's been 80K/night for a quite a while with 2 adults, 2 kids - its now pricing at 100K or more for all dates. The Hilton Rose Hall seems to be pricing 100K+ for standard dates even when only 2 adults (and almost all '24 dates are pricing at Premium with no standard room). Has anyone else noticed anything? I thought maybe I missed an announcement, but Hilton has done this in the past too.
Inflation is a cheap excuse, because the point increases are usually much higher than the cash rate increases due to inflation. And points collection rates, be it via member benefits or credit cards, are not increasing either but still the same 2 points per Euro in Europe that it has been forever.
#1642
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Join Date: Apr 2023
Posts: 169
Following the full introduction of dynamic pricing and the removal of price caps quite some time ago, the use of the term "devaluation" is devoid of meaning further on. Irrespective of whether we as consumers like it or not, hotels do not function in a plan economy with fixed prices, and I have no economic reasoning to object their ability to adjust prices, be it based on supply / demand considerations, inflation rates or even discretionary if this fits their business model. (As you noted yourself, other hotels, especially in the high end of the spectrum, and not only Hilton ones, have done that repeatedly in the past years, be it through point per night changes, category changes, and so on.) For me as consumer, the choices are obvious - continue to have my business with Hilton, move it to a competitor or opportunistically decide where to stay on discretionary basis, taking into consideration all relevant factors like location, comfort, hardware, etc. (and of course, price). I personally chose the latter, and currently have points pools with both Hilton and IHG, which I will avail of when and where it best fits my needs, I have zero pressure in that respect. My last remark here would be that over the recent years I have been more and more inclined to staying with IHG rather than Hilton - what I have been getting back as IHG 1R Diamond Ambassador has far outweighed what I have been getting back as Hilton Honors Diamond (and for the record, both status have been achieved and maintained through regular stay activities, no credit cards, no promo gaming, etc.)
OTOH Hilton has more generous points earning promotions, the 5th night free on award stays are often an excellent deal and largely the only time I choose Hilton over IHG these days.
#1643




Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Antwerpen - Belgium
Programs: HHonors Diamond, Melia Silver, NH silver, H10 Class
Posts: 662
I have also noted that 'dynamic pricing' no longer exists for many properties.
Many hotels now charge the maximum amount of points even on the 'cheaper nights'.
Many hotels now charge the maximum amount of points even on the 'cheaper nights'.
#1644




Join Date: Jan 2009
Programs: Hilton Diamond, IHG Spire Ambassador, Radisson Gold, Hyatt Discoverist
Posts: 3,749
It appears as though the La Romana AI's have increased their award prices without notice sometime the past couple of weeks. It's been 80K/night for a quite a while with 2 adults, 2 kids - its now pricing at 100K or more for all dates. The Hilton Rose Hall seems to be pricing 100K+ for standard dates even when only 2 adults (and almost all '24 dates are pricing at Premium with no standard room). Has anyone else noticed anything? I thought maybe I missed an announcement, but Hilton has done this in the past too.
#1646




Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Bali, Indonesia
Programs: AA, DL, AK, UN, CN
Posts: 1,116
I spent a month this year and last at the Hampton Bucaramanga, which was 5000pts. That has also jumped up to 15k.
Not sure what kept them low so long. I suspect Hilton liked to say they had hotels at 5000 pts. Was great while it lasted.
#1647




Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Miami, FL
Programs: UA 1MM, AA Plat, Marriott LT Titanium, Hyatt Glob, IHG ♢ Amb, Hilton ♢, Hertz Pres
Posts: 6,174
Is there any way to see if the total points required for a property is lower when you don't have enough points to redeem? I used all my points for an upcoming redemption but saw cash rates are now lower. I guessed that the total points for the 5 nights is also lower, yet I am not allowed to see the total points required (Hilton now only shows me cash and points). I even tried to modify the reservation and the same thing occurred. I took the chance and cancelled the points reservation and then I saw the total points required for redemption did drop by 14,000 points. So I booked the new points reservation. Is this the only way to do it? It's risky (as once I cancel I lose the room and may not get it back again, depending on occupancy levels). Any tricks here to see if less total points are avail for previously booked award stays?
#1648


Join Date: May 2009
Location: EUG
Programs: AS MVP, AA MM, HH Diamond, MR Gold
Posts: 8,524
Is there any way to see if the total points required for a property is lower when you don't have enough points to redeem? I used all my points for an upcoming redemption but saw cash rates are now lower. I guessed that the total points for the 5 nights is also lower, yet I am not allowed to see the total points required (Hilton now only shows me cash and points). I even tried to modify the reservation and the same thing occurred. I took the chance and cancelled the points reservation and then I saw the total points required for redemption did drop by 14,000 points. So I booked the new points reservation. Is this the only way to do it? It's risky (as once I cancel I lose the room and may not get it back again, depending on occupancy levels). Any tricks here to see if less total points are avail for previously booked award stays?
#1649




Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,069
You can always search for price in points without event being logged in. If a standard room reward rate is offered, this is eligible for 5-4-4 redemption - otherwise, if only premium room reward rates are offered, these will be due for every night during your desired stay period. By way of reminder, when you search for one specific hotel and select that your dates are flexible, you will see the entire availability and price calendar (this does not work when you search by destination).



