Apr 2, 2023, 5:01 pm
Last edit by: cblaisd
Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread
Apr 3, 2013 | 2:56 pm
#796
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Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: MCI
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Some parts of the system were massively devalued. Other parts were not. But in any case, 411k still buys you 1 to 2 weeks at a good hotel somewhere. Much more valuable than a small pile of FF miles.
Ireland, Middle East, parts of Asia, some random places around the U.S./Canada, etc. There's still some okay value out there.
Apr 3, 2013 | 3:05 pm
#798
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Glasgow / London
Programs: BA GGL
Posts: 3,716
You could get 5 nights in the two bed, Presidential suite in Waikoloa, worth around $8,000. That's a pretty good use of points if you want a fun trip away for not a lot of money, and surely better than converting to airline miles...
Apr 3, 2013 | 3:12 pm
#799
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Johnstown, PA
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I am actually seeing some weird rates out there. For example at a cat 4, the redemption rate is 20K instead of 30K. Also a C&P rate of 8K + $40 instead of 12K + $50. These are all in Northern Va (NOVA) area in the summer, so that can't really be season variations can it?
Last edited by kanerf; Apr 4, 2013 at 7:42 pm
Apr 3, 2013 | 6:12 pm
#800
Join Date: Mar 2009
Programs: BA Gold, LH, SEN, RJ Platinum, ALL Diamond, HH Diamond, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 693
Devaluation has started
Sorry if this has been discussed before... I wonder what happens if i need to amend a existing booking made before the changes? Do the old rules still apply as it was booked under the old rates or will i need to pay the difference of the new points requested?
Apr 3, 2013 | 6:30 pm
#801
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: DXB / WAW
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Posts: 749
Someone wrote here that if you need to change your existing booking, it will be under the new rates...
Apr 3, 2013 | 6:35 pm
#802
Join Date: Feb 2006
Programs: HH diamond
Posts: 2,707
You will need to pay the difference between the old rate & new rate if you make a change.
Apr 22, 2013 | 8:52 am
#803
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 131
HH Point Devaluation Hitting Home
I know this topic has been well covered but really struck me this morning as I went to book a property for a Miami cruise. We had stayed at Conrad Miami and JW Marriott which are blocks apart and fully comparable properties. Pretty dismayed that I could book standard room Marriott at 25,000 points and Conrad was 70,000 (think it used to be 50,000).
I am a Marriott Platinum and Hilton Diamond and probably can't keep both up in a year but I am really thinking of focusing on Marriott as the reward program just seems more valuable. I was a Hilton defender against my Marriott colleagues and prefer their mid line props (Garden Inn, Embassy) but earning points with decreasing value is too frustrating.
I am a Marriott Platinum and Hilton Diamond and probably can't keep both up in a year but I am really thinking of focusing on Marriott as the reward program just seems more valuable. I was a Hilton defender against my Marriott colleagues and prefer their mid line props (Garden Inn, Embassy) but earning points with decreasing value is too frustrating.
Apr 22, 2013 | 9:05 am
#804
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I see a very poor and disappointing presence of Marriott resorts overseas - e.g., Tahiti, Maldives, and Seychelles. In addition, Marriott also devaluated its program as well, although not at the rate as HHonors did.
Apr 22, 2013 | 9:20 am
#805
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 131
Agree that Hilton has the Far East knockout resorts but these are under my current radar for use. Marriott coverage seems superior in Europe which is one reason I started staying with them- we have travels to Paris/ Rome coming up.
I understand no program is superior for every user/location but if I can typically stay in comparable props for 1/3 to 1/2 points that is significant.
I understand no program is superior for every user/location but if I can typically stay in comparable props for 1/3 to 1/2 points that is significant.
Apr 22, 2013 | 11:24 am
#806
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The complications, duration of travel and costs associated with getting there from us (except perhaps moorea) make me care very little about resort availability there...
Apr 22, 2013 | 5:56 pm
#807
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Big deal about those resorts, I'll take Paris anytime and oh wait, Hilton has nothing in downtown Paris, whereas Marriott has 4 in the central core and a 5th a much shorter ride away on the Left bank than the Hilton in La Defense.
Apr 22, 2013 | 6:25 pm
#808
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Atlanta, GA
Programs: SWA A-List Preferred, Hilton Diamond, ICH Platinum
Posts: 243
What now?
So what is the best program now? I have been diamond on Hilton and platinum on priority club for years. Gave Marriott a bit of ride this year with promos until they devalued. Who is worthy of our business now?
Apr 22, 2013 | 6:33 pm
#809
Join Date: Dec 2009
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Apr 22, 2013 | 7:52 pm
#810
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