Apr 2, 2023, 5:01 pm
Last edit by: cblaisd
Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread
Mar 28, 2013 | 6:43 pm
#752
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Boston, MA
Programs: DL Diamond, HHonors Diamond, National Executive Elite
Posts: 2,477
I wouldn't exactly call DoubleTree Suites Times Square high-end or opulent, outrageous New Year's Eve rates notwithstanding.
Mar 28, 2013 | 6:50 pm
#753
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posts: 5,825
I can confirm it is still there as I booked an award post-devaluation, March 28. For me it was a move to reduce total points spent, as my WA became a cat 7 and thus bookable with AXON. 25K points back into my account.
I am starting to think it's not that bad except for 10 or so highest-end opulent properties - Moorea, Bora-Bora, Rangali, Seychelles, Bali, Tokyo, DT Times Square, Grand Wailea. These however always required a ton of money spent on the vacation even when the room was free, plus travel from many locations was a killer (30+ hrs on the planes/airports) plus a ton of miles or $$$ needed. But the regular decents hotels and resorts are still there, and some have become even a better value.
I am starting to think it's not that bad except for 10 or so highest-end opulent properties - Moorea, Bora-Bora, Rangali, Seychelles, Bali, Tokyo, DT Times Square, Grand Wailea. These however always required a ton of money spent on the vacation even when the room was free, plus travel from many locations was a killer (30+ hrs on the planes/airports) plus a ton of miles or $$$ needed. But the regular decents hotels and resorts are still there, and some have become even a better value.
However, there are also some properties that dropped a category. And on the lower end properties in general , the impact was not nearly as significant.
Mar 28, 2013 | 7:01 pm
#754
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Toronto, ON
Programs: HH Gold VIP, BonVoy Gold, BAEC Gold, AmEx Platinum, Visa Infinite
Posts: 689
I tried a hypothetical reservation of 6 nights, but at the room rate details it showed 6 x the rate (no 5th night off).
How can we get the 5th night free rate?
How can we get the 5th night free rate?
Mar 28, 2013 | 7:09 pm
#755
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posts: 5,825
What was the nightly rate?
Somebody else explained that they automatically deduct the free night by dividing the total points needed (deducting the free night) across all of the nights of your stay.
So, a 4 night stay at a 50,000 point/night property would read:
50,000
50,000
50,000
50,000
200,000 Total
A five night stay would read:
40,000
40,000
40,000
40,000
40,000
200,000 Total
Mar 28, 2013 | 7:16 pm
#757
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Toronto, ON
Programs: HH Gold VIP, BonVoy Gold, BAEC Gold, AmEx Platinum, Visa Infinite
Posts: 689
What CAT hotel?
What was the nightly rate?
Somebody else explained that they automatically deduct the free night by dividing the total points needed (deducting the free night) across all of the nights of your stay.
So, a 4 night stay at a 50,000 point/night property would read:
50,000
50,000
50,000
50,000
200,000 Total
A five night stay would read:
40,000
40,000
40,000
40,000
40,000
200,000 Total
What was the nightly rate?
Somebody else explained that they automatically deduct the free night by dividing the total points needed (deducting the free night) across all of the nights of your stay.
So, a 4 night stay at a 50,000 point/night property would read:
50,000
50,000
50,000
50,000
200,000 Total
A five night stay would read:
40,000
40,000
40,000
40,000
40,000
200,000 Total
I booked tropicana las vegas for 4 nights @ 34k a night a couple of weeks ago, today a 4 night stay would cost 50k/night...
I will recalculate the points value and see if its worth staying with hilton..
Mar 28, 2013 | 7:31 pm
#758
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Toronto, ON
Programs: HH Gold VIP, BonVoy Gold, BAEC Gold, AmEx Platinum, Visa Infinite
Posts: 689
I just did a quick SPG vs HH. I don't know if I am completely off here as I did it in a rush. But I think the grass is not greener at starwood.
HH:
80k points / nights
rate = $350
value 0.4 cents / point
This means 7 cents per dollar spent on hilton property as Gold (double dipping points and points, if not double dipping then 6 cents per dollar).
SPG:
25k points
rate = $350 dollars
value of 1.4 cents / point
4.2 cents per dollar spent on SPG property as Gold
I did not use property vs property comparison, I just took a hypothetical value of a higher end Hilton and SPG as $350 and used an almost top rate at hilton and second to highest at SPG.
HH:
80k points / nights
rate = $350
value 0.4 cents / point
This means 7 cents per dollar spent on hilton property as Gold (double dipping points and points, if not double dipping then 6 cents per dollar).
SPG:
25k points
rate = $350 dollars
value of 1.4 cents / point
4.2 cents per dollar spent on SPG property as Gold
I did not use property vs property comparison, I just took a hypothetical value of a higher end Hilton and SPG as $350 and used an almost top rate at hilton and second to highest at SPG.
Mar 28, 2013 | 8:02 pm
#760
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Flyover Territory
Programs: Hilton Diamond
Posts: 688
Is there a big difference in availability?
Most places I'm checking have no availability. Is this just an anomaly of the transition, or did they limit the inventory that is available for award bookings also?
Anita
Anita
Mar 28, 2013 | 9:29 pm
#761
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posts: 5,825
Did you try flexible date search?
I have only looked at a few places, and am seeing availability, albeit at the new rates.
Mar 28, 2013 | 9:48 pm
#763
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: SFO/SJC
Posts: 260
Location for NYE is the reason everybody wanted that redemption, and for 50K it was a steal in comparison to the rates. I agree it's a fairly regular choice the rest of the year.
Mar 28, 2013 | 10:09 pm
#764
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: San Diego
Programs: IHG Diamond, HH Diamond, DL Diamond and 2MM
Posts: 3,637
I can't log in to Hilton to check my account (site is hosed), but I can check the new point redemption values for the same dates and properties I booked this week with my remaining points:
Hilton Brisbane from 40k to 60k
Montreal Hilton Bonaventure from 40k to 50k
Hilton Auckand from 50k to 60k
BAD STUFF (edited by Mod) to Hilton! Glad I only have 1000 points left.
...Sorry Mod, I forgot that abbreviations for bad words aren't allowed. I will be nice now...
Hilton Brisbane from 40k to 60k
Montreal Hilton Bonaventure from 40k to 50k
Hilton Auckand from 50k to 60k
BAD STUFF (edited by Mod) to Hilton! Glad I only have 1000 points left.
...Sorry Mod, I forgot that abbreviations for bad words aren't allowed. I will be nice now...
Last edited by Bowgie; Mar 29, 2013 at 6:41 pm Reason: edit profanity workaround
Mar 29, 2013 | 12:25 am
#765
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Represa CA
Programs: Hilton LTD, Hyatt Glob, Marriott Amb/ LTTE, AA LTP, Avis PC, National EE, Seabourn DE
Posts: 3,110
Spent hours getting rid of points on 3/27. 3/28 was spent cancelling reservations and making new bookings. Quite a few cat 4 are listed for 20,000 point redemption.....5 or more nights at 16,000.