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Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:
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Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
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Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread
#871
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: LA
Programs: DL GM, HH Diamond
Posts: 727
It was 145k axon for 4 nights (36,250 per night.... even in high season) and two Axon's equaled a week long vacation (check in Saturday night, check out Sunday a week later). The five nights makes leisure travel a bit more difficult (you need to check in Thursday and leave a week and a half later on Sunday to do back to back five nighters).
Regarding the OP... I stayed with HHonnors (mostly due to locations of properties and the fact I know what I'm getting). When Marriot had their Mega Bonus I was sure to spend four nights to get the free night (in the past I didn't bother with that... so I guess you could argue Hilton lost several nights from me however nothing major)... A lifetime designation would refocus my efforts on Hilton...
Regarding the OP... I stayed with HHonnors (mostly due to locations of properties and the fact I know what I'm getting). When Marriot had their Mega Bonus I was sure to spend four nights to get the free night (in the past I didn't bother with that... so I guess you could argue Hilton lost several nights from me however nothing major)... A lifetime designation would refocus my efforts on Hilton...
#872
Join Date: Sep 2012
Programs: HHonnors Diamond, AA Gold, UA Silver
Posts: 293
You are correct Isumegan, They are... that was in regard to the few nights that Hilton didn't get. I'm very happy with Hilton's hard product (I admit the HHonnors program was much better in the past, however I simply don't see enough advantages to leave and join another for the bulk of the stays)... with that said, I really wish there was a lifetime status (although one could argue there is... it's called a credit card with instant access to Gold)...
#873
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Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Programs: HH Gold, AA Gold
Posts: 10,614
I'm still happy. I make Gold through my free HH AMEX each year. I only make 1-2 business trips per year (and try to stay at HH properties if at all possible). I spend all my points on leisure trips within the US, preplanned to take advantage of good redemption values. While I loved the 18K per night redemption at an ES in DC over the Memorial Day weekend about 8 years ago, I realize that is not sustainable for Hilton over time.
#874
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Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Chicagoland, IL, USA
Programs: WN CP, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 14,422
Club Carlson is getting my attention now. Better credit card for everyday spend, easily. And since wife and I each have the credit card, we can do 2-night stays each, indefinitely.
#875


Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 4,080
I retired from my business travel job and now only travel for leisure, and almost always book hotels using points accrued with CC spend from my new business. Prior to the devaluation, I put almost all my spend on my Hilton Surpass card. Now that a quick weekend night in NYC is 160K points rather than 80-100K, I find the return on my cc spend with Hilton is diminished drastically. I have since gotten SPG cards and a Carlson card, and also am putting more spend on my CSP card.
Going forward I will redeem based on a city by city analysis of hotels and what point redemption level is attractive. Just returned from a pleasant stay in London at a Radisson Blu (2 nights for 50K). I may stay at Hyatt for upcoming trip by transferring CSP points. So for me the devaluation has caused me to shift my credit card spend and spread out my stays.
Going forward I will redeem based on a city by city analysis of hotels and what point redemption level is attractive. Just returned from a pleasant stay in London at a Radisson Blu (2 nights for 50K). I may stay at Hyatt for upcoming trip by transferring CSP points. So for me the devaluation has caused me to shift my credit card spend and spread out my stays.
#876

Join Date: Aug 2005
Programs: AA Plt 3MM; UA 1K 2 MM; MR Lifetime Plat; HH Lifetime Diamond; HH Diamond; IGH Spire Ambas; SPG Gold
Posts: 2,149
I have gone from about 100 HH nights per year to virtually zero.
Marriott has always been my other program of choice, and I am still an advocate, not least since am a lifetime platinum.
Initially tried out Radisson--but was disappointed with overall standards and lack of locations. Am currently onto IHG, and am relatively happy with their program.
If there were more Hyatts where I need to be--I would be giving them almost all my business--but so far not even close
Marriott has always been my other program of choice, and I am still an advocate, not least since am a lifetime platinum.
Initially tried out Radisson--but was disappointed with overall standards and lack of locations. Am currently onto IHG, and am relatively happy with their program.
If there were more Hyatts where I need to be--I would be giving them almost all my business--but so far not even close
#877
Join Date: Sep 2007
Programs: DL Silver, AS MVP, UA Silver, HHonors Diamond, Marriott Plat, SPG Plat, National Exec Elite
Posts: 3,883
With 100 nights/year, I probably wouldn't be putting more than 30 with HHonnors. That said, I don't know if I'd funnel everything to Marriott either. I don't find Marriott's portfolio any more or less appealing than HHonors, just different. At the lower-end there are more all-suite properties, but many that aren't as nice as an equally priced non-suite Hampton). The mainstream big-city and conference-center properties are on-par and the high-end properties are mostly out of my reach (I really don't understand the Marriott brand structure and haven't had any reason to research it).
With 100 nights/year, I'd probably be top-tier with SPG, Hyatt, and a third program just for locations without SPG/Hyatt properties. HHonors wouldn't be a bad choice... even if there weren't enough stays away from SPG/Hyatt to make Diamond, HHonors has one of the best mid-tier statuses going. If I could stomach the Holiday Inn Express stays, I'd consider IHG for their liberal promotions and points-purchasing tricks. With 100 nights/year, I'd think you'd have plenty of points to redeem, so spreading them around 2 or 3 programs shouldn't make redemption any more difficult outside of possibly week+ long stays at aspirational resorts.
My main issue with Marriott is how difficult top-tier and even mid-tier is to reach without any discernible difference compared to top- and mid-tier in other programs.
With 100 nights/year, I'd probably be top-tier with SPG, Hyatt, and a third program just for locations without SPG/Hyatt properties. HHonors wouldn't be a bad choice... even if there weren't enough stays away from SPG/Hyatt to make Diamond, HHonors has one of the best mid-tier statuses going. If I could stomach the Holiday Inn Express stays, I'd consider IHG for their liberal promotions and points-purchasing tricks. With 100 nights/year, I'd think you'd have plenty of points to redeem, so spreading them around 2 or 3 programs shouldn't make redemption any more difficult outside of possibly week+ long stays at aspirational resorts.
My main issue with Marriott is how difficult top-tier and even mid-tier is to reach without any discernible difference compared to top- and mid-tier in other programs.
#878
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: East Coast
Posts: 1,018
As Hilton promised to improve their loyalty program beginning in the end of February, I just checked the new "improvement".
A category 1 hotel, which was 5K points or about $40-$50 max per night now can be booked for 30K and same cash price.
A category 1 hotel, which was 5K points or about $40-$50 max per night now can be booked for 30K and same cash price.
#879
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend




Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: PHX
Programs: AA EXP; UA 1MM & PP; Marriott AMB; Hyatt Globalist; Hilton Diamond (Aspire)
Posts: 62,343
Need more details. Are there are standard rooms available?
#881
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: East Coast
Posts: 1,018
I see Conrad Tokyo requires a bit less points on some days, but 95K points was outrageous amount of points already.
Jumping to 30K points from 5K points is hard to swallow, especially for such low cash price. I guess Hamptons and other lower end brands suffer the most from this "improvement".
Jumping to 30K points from 5K points is hard to swallow, especially for such low cash price. I guess Hamptons and other lower end brands suffer the most from this "improvement".
#883
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: East Coast
Posts: 1,018
The site undergoes maintenance, so maybe those cities haven`t been updated yet?
Try selecting any hotel in a city, but I don`t see any changes in checking availability.
Just checked Hilton, which used to be 20K for $120-$160 cash price - now it jumped to 40K (same cash).
Checked two more hotels-points option is not available, so it must be the maintenance issue.
Try selecting any hotel in a city, but I don`t see any changes in checking availability.
Just checked Hilton, which used to be 20K for $120-$160 cash price - now it jumped to 40K (same cash).
Checked two more hotels-points option is not available, so it must be the maintenance issue.
Last edited by Kat007; Feb 28, 2017 at 11:09 pm
#885
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: East Coast
Posts: 1,018
As of right now, the numbers are keep changing (an hour ago, Tokyo Conrad was 95K on most days, 91K on some, and now it has some odd "yen 45K" under the point option).
In about six hours, we should see the final result.






