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Zorak Oct 12, 2021 2:12 pm

DP:

applied in early Sept, no replies other than the auto response

pinged them in early Oct by submitting a comment/question via the website interface, asking if there was any update; no response

4-5 days ago I cancelled the flights associated with the submission (decided not to take the trip for reasons unrelated to this process)

today I received "Your application has been received. It will now be examined by the appropriate department." followed 3 minutes later by "Your application has been accepted" and I was able to download my QR code sheet :tu:

flight would've been in 3 days

(was only belatedly pointed at this thread after relating the above to another FTer)

gnomey Oct 12, 2021 2:46 pm

the conclusion after 929 messages here is that there is really no rhyme nor reason lol

just make your best shot at early morning weekday France time, and redo if it doesnt work

Hornetcoach Oct 12, 2021 5:55 pm


Originally Posted by JMontpelier (Post 33638645)
A question for those who received recent approval. How did you submit your documents? PDF? JPEG? Some online reports suggest more success with JPEG.

My submissions were a mix of jpeg and pdf. It would be interesting to know if any of the submissions that were acted on immediately were rejected rather than approved.

Majuki Oct 12, 2021 10:57 pm


Originally Posted by JMontpelier (Post 33638645)
A question for those who received recent approval. How did you submit your documents? PDF? JPEG? Some online reports suggest more success with JPEG.

Mrs. Majuki and I submitted ours as JPEG scans of the CDC cards. Hers took within minutes, and mine got stuck in the queue. I deleted my first application and resubmitted the next day, also as a JPEG, and I was approved within minutes.

Stanbury Oct 13, 2021 4:12 am


Originally Posted by JMontpelier (Post 33638645)
A question for those who received recent approval. How did you submit your documents? PDF? JPEG? Some online reports suggest more success with JPEG.

I did 2 apps so 6 documents. 5 were PDFs; one (one of our passport scans) was JPEG. As reported earlier both passes received within 2 minutes of pressing the SUBMT button.

Stanbury Oct 13, 2021 4:21 am

I’m looking for evidence as to whether a pass would still be valid for a second trip beyond the range of dates given for the first trip.

So, has anybody used the same pass for more than one trip? For example a pass with a return departure date given as Sept 24 being used for a second trip beginning with arrival in CDG October 10? These are just random dates chosen as an example.

snic Oct 13, 2021 6:27 am


Originally Posted by Stanbury (Post 33640401)
I’m looking for evidence as to whether a pass would still be valid for a second trip beyond the range of dates given for the first trip.

So, has anybody used the same pass for more than one trip? For example a pass with a return departure date given as Sept 24 being used for a second trip beginning with arrival in CDG October 10? These are just random dates chosen as an example.

The evidence so far suggests that the pass doesn't expire. That's based on the fact that there is no expiration date listed on the pass, and the pass system was designed for European citizens so there would be no need for an expiration date.

However, that is all circumstantial. Fortunately it can be tested without having to attempt a second trip. A few days after returning from a trip to France, meaning well after the pass ought to have expired, someone should use a pass scanner app to scan and check their QR code. One such app is the Dutch CoronaCheck Scanner, which can be downloaded to US-based phones and is in English when you do so. I'd bet that the pass will continue to show as valid.

Finally, keep in mind that although the information stored in your pass might not expire, the requirements might change eventually. For example, the French authorities might start requiring a 3rd vaccine dose, at which point your pass would be rejected by a scanner app because you'd only have two doses.

EDITED TO ADD: The website of the French consulate in Washington states that the pass for visitors does not expire.

Hornetcoach Oct 13, 2021 6:27 am

None of the trip date information is included on the document you receive, it only has information about your vaccine status. I am sure it can be used for multiple trips.

kerouac2 Oct 13, 2021 9:56 am

The pass system is due to expire on November 15th, which is highly unlikely. (Nobody ever knew that the pandemic would last this long.) However, things are headed in the right direction. In any case, the legislature is voting for an extension until 31 July 2022. This does not at all mean that it will last that long, but a legal framework was required for any necessary extensions, since the legislature will pretty much close down in February for the upcoming presidential and legislative elections. This way, any necessary extensions or cancellations can be decreed during that period without additional formalities.

SeeBuyFly Oct 13, 2021 12:58 pm


Originally Posted by snic (Post 33640584)
...Fortunately it can be tested without having to attempt a second trip. A few days after returning from a trip to France, meaning well after the pass ought to have expired, someone should use a pass scanner app to scan and check their QR code. One such app is the Dutch CoronaCheck Scanner...

If the pass expires, it will not be because there is an expiration date on the pass, but because of this:

Originally Posted by snic (Post 33640584)
Finally, keep in mind that although the information stored in your pass might not expire, the requirements might change eventually. For example, the French authorities might start requiring a 3rd vaccine dose, at which point your pass would be rejected by a scanner app because you'd only have two doses.

Indeed, at some point they have to conclude that old vaccinations are no longer effective against the then-circulating variant, so the original passes are no longer acceptable. But Nov 15 is not that point.

ente_09 Oct 13, 2021 1:09 pm


Originally Posted by Stanbury (Post 33640401)
I’m looking for evidence as to whether a pass would still be valid for a second trip beyond the range of dates given for the first trip.

So, has anybody used the same pass for more than one trip? For example a pass with a return departure date given as Sept 24 being used for a second trip beginning with arrival in CDG October 10? These are just random dates chosen as an example.

they ask you for your flight information so I guess not

dugu Oct 13, 2021 4:04 pm

My SO and I are going to France for vacation in about 10 days. We are flying into Paris next week and plan to take a train to southern France. Our applications for the pass sanitaire have been stuck in "construction" for a week. We'll try the 6am trick. But in case we don't get the pass before we leave, can we use the CDC card to board the train? Thanks.

snic Oct 13, 2021 5:55 pm


Originally Posted by ente_09 (Post 33641717)
they ask you for your flight information so I guess not

The website of the French consulate in Washington states that the pass for visitors does not expire.

dugu Oct 14, 2021 12:39 am

I have just tried the "morning in France" trick, and it worked like a charm! The pass was approved within 5 minutes, while the old file (which was submitted over a weekend) is still "en construction". Amazing! I would never have figured this out by myself! Thanks to the FTers who discovered and reported this trick! :D

Xeno Oct 14, 2021 9:12 am


Originally Posted by snic (Post 33640584)
The evidence so far suggests that the pass doesn't expire. That's based on the fact that there is no expiration date listed on the pass, and the pass system was designed for European citizens so there would be no need for an expiration date.

However, that is all circumstantial. Fortunately it can be tested without having to attempt a second trip. A few days after returning from a trip to France, meaning well after the pass ought to have expired, someone should use a pass scanner app to scan and check their QR code. One such app is the Dutch CoronaCheck Scanner, which can be downloaded to US-based phones and is in English when you do so. I'd bet that the pass will continue to show as valid.

Finally, keep in mind that although the information stored in your pass might not expire, the requirements might change eventually. For example, the French authorities might start requiring a 3rd vaccine dose, at which point your pass would be rejected by a scanner app because you'd only have two doses.

EDITED TO ADD: The website of the French consulate in Washington states that the pass for visitors does not expire.

I will be more specific. I got good use of the French pass while in Rome. That trip ended 10/6/21 and I leave for ATH on 10/28/21 with a return date of 11/4/21.
I already have the third Pfizer booster shot which was recorded in my pass. So the consensus is that I can still use the QR codes for restaurants in Athens and Thessaloniki, right?


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