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TomMM Nov 4, 2021 7:17 pm

Seems fair to me.

WalruSara Nov 5, 2021 4:35 am

Just arrived in Paris. Found a pharmacy across from Hotel du Louvre. Provided passport and CDC cards. Paid 36€ and received my pass within minutes. Very easy.

theplayer Nov 5, 2021 6:35 am


Originally Posted by WalruSara (Post 33703905)
Just arrived in Paris. Found a pharmacy across from Hotel du Louvre. Provided passport and CDC cards. Paid 36€ and received my pass within minutes. Very easy.

the question is though...are just the CDC cards accepted most everywhere? If so, no need to waste a second converting.

enviroian Nov 5, 2021 7:21 am


Originally Posted by WalruSara (Post 33703905)
Just arrived in Paris. Found a pharmacy across from Hotel du Louvre. Provided passport and CDC cards. Paid 36€ and received my pass within minutes. Very easy.

36 euros for something that was free? I have three pending applications for 7 weeks now. I'm just going to wing it with my CDC card.

FallenPlat Nov 5, 2021 11:38 am

Here's an update based on today's news in France. But before that, it should now be obvious to all that the website's end is permanent, not temporary. People don't charge 30 Euros for something that's given away for free. Not in this life, at least. Anyway, on to the factual update.

The legislature has definitively prolonged the life of the Pass through July 31, 2022, subject to the Executive's discretion to shorten this period. There is a final procedural step, constitutional review, but that should be is just a formality. More concretely, I gather that they're supposed to go forward in increments, with measurable criteria, but NO NUMBERS are specified for these criteria. So, as a practical matter, that's completely open-ended, which is what the Executive wanted.

That should be news to no one. The interesting part is the behind-the-scenes (and not-so-behind-the-scenes) discussion of what's euphemistically called the "dose de rappelle," or third dose. Translated into English, this means that your Pass could be invalidated without it since that's the only "stick" available to make people get it. The public sources I've seen generally say that nothing is pending anytime soon on this front, that the government is (supposedly) waiting for an official recommendation from the Health Authorities, and that this requirement is only in a preliminary (if active) informal discussion stage. All that is a complicated way of saying, "No news so far but stay tuned."

Dose three, by the way, is available mostly just to the over-65 crowd. Gee, how do we slice that onion, ask some. And so on for another page or two, which I'll spare you here. Hope this helps.

WalruSara Nov 5, 2021 3:08 pm


Originally Posted by theplayer (Post 33704087)
the question is though...are just the CDC cards accepted most everywhere? If so, no need to waste a second converting.

I opted to go ahead and get it because we had a few restaurant reservations where they told us specifically they would need it. I didn’t want to find out that the CDC cards weren’t sufficient at dinner. FWIW, they were scanning everyone’s passes at dinner this evening.

I had my third vaccine card with me today. She looked at it and said it was too late to put it in. I wasn’t sure what that meant and didn’t ask. I didn’t put it on my original application because it hadn’t been two weeks when I submitted the application.

It’s just nice to not have to worry about it.

zkzkz Nov 5, 2021 4:33 pm

Has any American here taken an intercity train in France? Officially it does require a sanitary pass but I wonder if they would accept a US CDC card?

If not.... is there a list of pharmacies in Paris that people have found convert cards recently?

TomMM Nov 5, 2021 4:49 pm


Originally Posted by zkzkz (Post 33705687)
Has any American here taken an intercity train in France? Officially it does require a sanitary pass but I wonder if they would accept a US CDC card?

If not.... is there a list of pharmacies in Paris that people have found convert cards recently?

Check out the link in post 1020 and go to the French website. It lists pharmacies that will do it.

Landing Gear Nov 5, 2021 6:03 pm


Originally Posted by TomMM (Post 33695747)
As someone who has been trying to open a bank account in Paris I say understanding French bureaucracy is not possible!

Was it the request for a pièce d'identité or the blood sample? :D

Landing Gear Nov 5, 2021 6:13 pm


Originally Posted by FallenPlat (Post 33704919)
Here's an update based on today's news in France. But before that, it should now be obvious to all that the website's end is permanent, not temporary. People don't charge 30 Euros for something that's given away for free. Not in this life, at least. Anyway, on to the factual update.

The legislature has definitively prolonged the life of the Pass through July 31, 2022, subject to the Executive's discretion to shorten this period. There is a final procedural step, constitutional review, but that should be is just a formality. More concretely, I gather that they're supposed to go forward in increments, with measurable criteria, but NO NUMBERS are specified for these criteria. So, as a practical matter, that's completely open-ended, which is what the Executive wanted.

That should be news to no one. The interesting part is the behind-the-scenes (and not-so-behind-the-scenes) discussion of what's euphemistically called the "dose de rappelle," or third dose. Translated into English, this means that your Pass could be invalidated without it since that's the only "stick" available to make people get it. [emphasis added] The public sources I've seen generally say that nothing is pending anytime soon on this front, that the government is (supposedly) waiting for an official recommendation from the Health Authorities, and that this requirement is only in a preliminary (if active) informal discussion stage. All that is a complicated way of saying, "No news so far but stay tuned."

Dose three, by the way, is available mostly just to the over-65 crowd. Gee, how do we slice that onion, ask some. And so on for another page or two, which I'll spare you here. Hope this helps.

As you probably know, under the latest CDC guidance, a variety of other factors can be used to make someone eligible for a "booster shot." The question I have is how if you already have a QR code on the TousAntiCovid and are in the United States. you could get the expiration date updated should it be required.

May I trouble you for a link to the article you quoted?

theplayer Nov 5, 2021 6:45 pm

Italy accepts the white CDC card as equivalent to theirs, no reason France can't do the same. The US did invent the vaccines for crying out loud.

kerouac2 Nov 6, 2021 1:45 am

Let's not forget Louis Pasteur.

FallenPlat Nov 6, 2021 4:50 am

Your Pass Sanitaire and mine are good unless and until the Executive says they expire, for example through the mere passage of time or (perhaps eventually) through the failure to get a "dose de rappelle" by some yet-to-be-set deadline. It will be big news when and if that latter event occurs and, trust me, we'll all hear about it.

The key to updated news on this point is knowing what to google: "dose de rappelle" and "pass sanitaire." All the articles that I've found say pretty much the same thing -- nothing -- but here's a link to a recent one: https://www.bfmtv.com/politique/dose...111040505.html . As you can see, the Executive is in a wait-and-see mode for now. The linked article is actually sort of funny. Don't call it a "troisieme dose"!

I wouldn't think either event -- natural expiration or a third dose deadline -- would occur until next summer at the earliest, but that's just my personal, unsupported surmise. And we've all been surprised before.

Goldorak Nov 6, 2021 5:33 am


Originally Posted by FallenPlat (Post 33706565)
Your Pass Sanitaire and mine are good unless and until the Executive says they expire, for example through the mere passage of time or (perhaps eventually) through the failure to get a "dose de rappelle" by some yet-to-be-set deadline. It will be big news when and if that latter event occurs and, trust me, we'll all hear about it.

The key to updated news on this point is knowing what to google: "dose de rappelle" and "pass sanitaire." All the articles that I've found say pretty much the same thing -- nothing -- but here's a link to a recent one: https://www.bfmtv.com/politique/dose...111040505.html . As you can see, the Executive is in a wait-and-see mode for now. The linked article is actually sort of funny. Don't call it a "troisieme dose"!

I wouldn't think either event -- natural expiration or a third dose deadline -- would occur until next summer at the earliest, but that's just my personal, unsupported surmise. And we've all been surprised before.

FYI, we say "dose de rappel", not "rappelle" ;)

enviroian Nov 6, 2021 6:51 am


Originally Posted by FallenPlat (Post 33706565)
All the articles that I've found say pretty much the same thing -- nothing

:D


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