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Hello Everyone,
Due to a merging error - much of the history of this thread is sitting in the Amex Companion fare thread:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/2053727-using-skymiles-skyteam-other-partners-master-thread.html
The moderation team is in the process of moving posts over to this thread, however it is a very manual process that requires reading every post in the two merged mega threads, so please bear with us as we piece this together.
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Due to a merging error - much of the history of this thread is sitting in the Amex Companion fare thread:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/2053727-using-skymiles-skyteam-other-partners-master-thread.html
The moderation team is in the process of moving posts over to this thread, however it is a very manual process that requires reading every post in the two merged mega threads, so please bear with us as we piece this together.
Regards,
Ryandc99
Moderator Delta Air Lines
Using SkyMiles on SkyTeam & Other Partners Master Thread
#123
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#124
Join Date: Dec 2011
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Points Upgrade DL Ticket on Virgin Atlantic Metal
Been awhile, but I am trying to upgrade Q-fare ticket booked through DL on VA metal on a flight out of LHR to upgrade to Premium to sit with family. Not having much luck on-line or on the telephone, where I am being told it is not a matter of availability, but policy -- which seems to run contrary to the program rules https://www.delta.com/us/en/skymiles.../program-rules. Would be glad for anyone's thoughts!
#125
Join Date: Feb 2001
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I've been looking at award redemptions in J around Asia and it looks dire. A simple SIN-BKK that's 25k-30k on most airlines is 80k through DL. I did find some SIN-NRT flights at 45k, but this is still poor compared to 25k through AS. Similarly, USA-Asia is often 285k on DL vs 65k on AS. (Most of my flying miles were earned when AS and DL were still partners so, yes, I'm still kicking myself for credited them to the wrong airline.)
Are there any good values left with SM at all to/from or in this region?
Are there any good values left with SM at all to/from or in this region?
#126
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I've been looking at award redemptions in J around Asia and it looks dire. A simple SIN-BKK that's 25k-30k on most airlines is 80k through DL. I did find some SIN-NRT flights at 45k, but this is still poor compared to 25k through AS. Similarly, USA-Asia is often 285k on DL vs 65k on AS. (Most of my flying miles were earned when AS and DL were still partners so, yes, I'm still kicking myself for credited them to the wrong airline.)
Are there any good values left with SM at all to/from or in this region?
Are there any good values left with SM at all to/from or in this region?
#127
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SIN-BKK one-way is 80k until Oct, then no availability at all November onwards. I'd noticed the mention of round trip advantages, but that, like the 90-day advance booking, seems irrelevant on routes I've looked at. (e.g. SIN-BKK-SIN at 160k in Oct.) A predictable 1.3-1.4 cpm is as unattractive as using miles for domestic awards. (I use awards for international travel, historically averaging about 5 cpm on AS.)
#128
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SIN-BKK one-way is 80k until Oct, then no availability at all November onwards. I'd noticed the mention of round trip advantages, but that, like the 90-day advance booking, seems irrelevant on routes I've looked at. (e.g. SIN-BKK-SIN at 160k in Oct.) A predictable 1.3-1.4 cpm is as unattractive as using miles for domestic awards. (I use awards for international travel, historically averaging about 5 cpm on AS.)
VN revenue fares in J on SIN-BKK look to start in the $400 range, so even if you could get them for 40K miles, you are basically only getting 1 CPM in value.
DL still has J awards from Caribbean/Mexico to Europe from 65K each-way (although 85K is more common) with no roundtrip booking or advance purchase requirements. One-way revenue J fares on these routes tend start at $2K - $3K each way (while roundtrip revenue J fares tend to start at around $1.5K each-way). So, depending on how you measure "value" (do you use the one-way revenue J fares or the roundtrip ones?), these can be a good deal. The problem with measuring "value" of J awards is that you can easily pick certain days and come up with extreme examples. While DL may be charging $7.5K for J trip below, most people would never "value" it that highly (given you can get NAS-CDG from $3K one-way if you book it on other days).


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#130
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No, it is generally not possible to stitch together awards any more as there must be married inventory availability on the partners. Note that partner awards from US-EU have different mileage amounts depending on advance purchase (0, 21, and 60 days). The cheapest DL award on partners is now 120K miles and requires 60-day advance purchase.

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#131
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Not sure where you are getting 110K mileage number from as the partner rate for US-South Africa is currently 115K miles (CSM1150 award fare basis shown below) and requires TATL segment on partner metal (it's in the Flight Application section of the Fare Rules for the award). DL metal Skymiles award levels to South Africa are completely different from partners and start at 145K and go much higher and depend on both award level bucket availability and advance purchase (there's a 90-day AP for the 145K CSV1450 DL metal awards -- plus there must also be availability in cheapest DL award bucket to get that level which books in OZ).
No, it is generally not possible to stitch together awards any more as there must be married inventory availability on the partners. Note that partner awards from US-EU have different mileage amounts depending on advance purchase (0, 21, and 60 days). The cheapest DL award on partners is now 120K miles and requires 60-day advance purchase.

No, it is generally not possible to stitch together awards any more as there must be married inventory availability on the partners. Note that partner awards from US-EU have different mileage amounts depending on advance purchase (0, 21, and 60 days). The cheapest DL award on partners is now 120K miles and requires 60-day advance purchase.

#132
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In desperate need of help and not sure where else to turn (chatting with Delta support and they couldn't answer my question). I used some miles I had lying around to book an award ticket consisting of two flights: the first on TAROM and the second on KLM. The Delta site let me assign my seat for the KLM flight but not the TAROM flight--so I pull up the TAROM website, punch in the confirmation code and my last name, and it says it can't find the reservation. So I try the same thing on the KLM website. Also no dice. So at this point it seems like the only airline with any record of my ticket is delta, which won't be much use since none of the flights actually involve them. So I guess I have three questions:
- how can I get a seat assignment for the TAROM flight?
- is there any way to manage the ticket through TAROM/KLM or at least verify that the award ticket actually exists? Cause so far I can't even get the TAROM or KLM sites to acknowledge I even have a ticket
- how do I find out the confirmation code I'll need to use to checkin with TAROM when it's actually time to fly
also a little factoid as a pre-thank you for helping me out: my destination airport is Helsinki, and the airport code for Helsinki is HEL. When you call delta support and it asks you about your upcoming trip it pronounces the airport code, so when I called for help Delta asked "Are you calling about your upcoming trip to hell?". just some mild entertainment
- how can I get a seat assignment for the TAROM flight?
- is there any way to manage the ticket through TAROM/KLM or at least verify that the award ticket actually exists? Cause so far I can't even get the TAROM or KLM sites to acknowledge I even have a ticket
- how do I find out the confirmation code I'll need to use to checkin with TAROM when it's actually time to fly
also a little factoid as a pre-thank you for helping me out: my destination airport is Helsinki, and the airport code for Helsinki is HEL. When you call delta support and it asks you about your upcoming trip it pronounces the airport code, so when I called for help Delta asked "Are you calling about your upcoming trip to hell?". just some mild entertainment

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#133
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You'll need to call DL and ask for the RO PNR. Once have this Cavanagh the TAROM flight. If flying business and on 737 You'll get actual business class seats. However they were only serving water even for J on OTP-AMS last time I flew.
The DL PNR should work on KLM website/app
The DL PNR should work on KLM website/app
#134
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 5
Hi! Newbie poster here.
I've got my first ever DL-coded, AF operated RT coming up JFKCDG in Premium Economy. I'm DM and not expecting a comp upg, but I'd love to buyup to J if it's a decent deal. Do I need to check in on the AF app instead of the DL app in hopes of an offer? Can I assume that I won't get any MQDs on a buy up (above and beyond my ticketed fare MQDs on a DL flight number).
Thanks!
I've got my first ever DL-coded, AF operated RT coming up JFKCDG in Premium Economy. I'm DM and not expecting a comp upg, but I'd love to buyup to J if it's a decent deal. Do I need to check in on the AF app instead of the DL app in hopes of an offer? Can I assume that I won't get any MQDs on a buy up (above and beyond my ticketed fare MQDs on a DL flight number).
Thanks!
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Hi! Newbie poster here.
I've got my first ever DL-coded, AF operated RT coming up JFKCDG in Premium Economy. I'm DM and not expecting a comp upg, but I'd love to buyup to J if it's a decent deal. Do I need to check in on the AF app instead of the DL app in hopes of an offer? Can I assume that I won't get any MQDs on a buy up (above and beyond my ticketed fare MQDs on a DL flight number).
Thanks!
I've got my first ever DL-coded, AF operated RT coming up JFKCDG in Premium Economy. I'm DM and not expecting a comp upg, but I'd love to buyup to J if it's a decent deal. Do I need to check in on the AF app instead of the DL app in hopes of an offer? Can I assume that I won't get any MQDs on a buy up (above and beyond my ticketed fare MQDs on a DL flight number).
Thanks!