Mar 11, 2020, 10:13 am
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Any member who can provide a constructive, helpful answer to a question; or post constructively in reply to a member's point-of-view, is welcome to post.
All FT rules apply, including avoiding personalized, snarky, political, other off-topic, commercial, and repeatedly disruptive content.
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COVID-19: Lounge thread for thoughts, concerns and questions
Mar 20, 2020, 3:55 pm
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Today, Chinese travelers face the same restrictions at the EU borders as any other non-EU citizen.
Mar 20, 2020, 3:55 pm
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Mar 20, 2020, 3:58 pm
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So sad it takes real deaths in ones own country before leaders will act, why can't they believe science and their scientist. BTW these same people trust science that says a plane can cross the ocean and fly hours and hours, sigh.
Mar 20, 2020, 3:59 pm
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Originally Posted by His Flatulence
- On a March 6 visit to the CDC, Trump said, “Anybody that wants a test can get a test,” adding, “Anybody right now and yesterday — anybody that needs a test gets a test. We — they’re there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful.”
Industry has ramped up and is on the verge of shipping enormous volumes of test capacity, with simpler 1-hour test kits presumably to follow. The only question is if the processing bottlenecks will get worked out faster than any resulting rise in diagnoses.
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Mar 20, 2020, 4:14 pm
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3/20/20 COVID-19 Update from the UCSF Infectious Diseases Division: Special Dept. of Surgery Grand Rounds
Towards end, data show aerosol transmission risk is low. supporting our contention from aerodynamical terminal velocity calculations.
Mar 20, 2020, 4:18 pm
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Testing kit availability has expanded a lot in the US. But it’s not enough yet, and it is behind where it could
Have been if the top had taken it seriously from early on and was consistent about taking it seriously.
Have been if the top had taken it seriously from early on and was consistent about taking it seriously.
Mar 20, 2020, 5:10 pm
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3/20/20 COVID-19 Update from the UCSF Infectious Diseases Division: Special Dept. of Surgery Grand Rounds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UafK-4vMr8MUnfortunately, volume is very low. My daughter attended the ZOOM meeting had no trouble hearing, so I wonder if there are ways I can boost the volume when watching?
Towards end, data show aerosol transmission risk is low. supporting our contention from aerodynamical terminal velocity calculations.
Mar 20, 2020, 5:27 pm
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Hang in there
Watch all those toutube videos you would not watch normally, one I start watching puppy videos, I end up spending an hour very easily, maybe some other genre of videos will appeal to you
Its tough, and kudos to you for admitting it
A lot of people are going through denial and claiming that lockdowns are great because remote working is so much better and because the environment is being helped. You also have many introverts claim how this is ideally the way the world should operate
Another segment of people I am worried about are those in abusive marriages.....
Watch all those toutube videos you would not watch normally, one I start watching puppy videos, I end up spending an hour very easily, maybe some other genre of videos will appeal to you
Its tough, and kudos to you for admitting it
A lot of people are going through denial and claiming that lockdowns are great because remote working is so much better and because the environment is being helped. You also have many introverts claim how this is ideally the way the world should operate
Another segment of people I am worried about are those in abusive marriages.....
I've had a tough year with awful family circumstances last year. But I feel easier about this pandemic because I know we're all in it together. I know, maybe that sounds weird. And I'm a school teacher, our schools are still running here in Australia so chances are I'll cop it too at some point.
But hey, that's the beauty of these forums. Face to face contact with real people is always the best, but remember you're not alone - real people are typing each post on real keyboards somewhere in this world. So, in a sense, we can band together across the globe even here on FT and look after each other, support each other and check in with one another. Hang in their folks. It'll be a tough ride and the worst is yet to hit. But we have each other too, as much as we have our own loved ones, even if they are in lock down situations over the phone.
I feel ya!
But hey, that's the beauty of these forums. Face to face contact with real people is always the best, but remember you're not alone - real people are typing each post on real keyboards somewhere in this world. So, in a sense, we can band together across the globe even here on FT and look after each other, support each other and check in with one another. Hang in their folks. It'll be a tough ride and the worst is yet to hit. But we have each other too, as much as we have our own loved ones, even if they are in lock down situations over the phone.
I feel ya!
So I'm not trying to make this into some sort of controversial topic, but surely this is a real thing. I read an article today predicting that suicide rates should escalate significantly as a result of this coronavirus.
As for me, I think depression is way too strong a word for how I feel, but I really just want a place to vent and I think most people I talk to don't appreciate how much travel means to us so this seemed like a good place to vent.
So for my story....
Last Thursday (3/12) against everyone's better judgement I flew to Singapore with a friend of mine for a leisure trip we had been planning for quite some time. He has a newly-pregnant wife so this was pretty much our one shot at this trip. We were scheduled to see REP/PNH/Myanmar along the way and return through Singapore. The level 3 travel advisory was issued the day before we left so we knew it was dicey but we went for it. Singapore was great and everything seemed fairly normal (then again the US was reasonably normal when we left). We flew to REP the next day and had a day exploring Siem Reap with a planned trip to Angkor Wat the following day ..
.. I had a Micronesia trip planned at the end of April that I've been wanting to do for years but that can't happen either (it's now scheduled for November). I'm supposed to go Tokyo for the Olympics which is a lifelong dream, but that's looking dicey at the moment as well. All that and some other trips and this was looking like the year I could finally re-qualify for 1K for the first time since they added the spend requirement.
Yeah, I realize this is a terrible thing happening out there. I'm also a healthcare provider so I understand the severity of what's going on. I'm also 32. I see those kids in Florida talking about how they don't care and they are getting so heavily chastised for it. Yeah, it's an ignorant thing
.. I plan my work schedule out the entire calendar year in advanced so it will be extraordinarily difficult to rearrange most of my currently-planned trips if they have to be rescheduled. I'm also feeling lousy that I had a bunch of people cover my shifts to take this trip that wasn't and now I have to work myself to death next month to repay that debt.
I know this will go away at some point, but it's really frustrating. Everything I have to look forward to is tenuous-at-best. No, I'm not depressed, I don't need help. I really just need to go grab a drink but I guess I can't even do that.
Looking forward to better days ahead.
Anyone else feel the same?
As for me, I think depression is way too strong a word for how I feel, but I really just want a place to vent and I think most people I talk to don't appreciate how much travel means to us so this seemed like a good place to vent.
So for my story....
Last Thursday (3/12) against everyone's better judgement I flew to Singapore with a friend of mine for a leisure trip we had been planning for quite some time. He has a newly-pregnant wife so this was pretty much our one shot at this trip. We were scheduled to see REP/PNH/Myanmar along the way and return through Singapore. The level 3 travel advisory was issued the day before we left so we knew it was dicey but we went for it. Singapore was great and everything seemed fairly normal (then again the US was reasonably normal when we left). We flew to REP the next day and had a day exploring Siem Reap with a planned trip to Angkor Wat the following day ..
.. I had a Micronesia trip planned at the end of April that I've been wanting to do for years but that can't happen either (it's now scheduled for November). I'm supposed to go Tokyo for the Olympics which is a lifelong dream, but that's looking dicey at the moment as well. All that and some other trips and this was looking like the year I could finally re-qualify for 1K for the first time since they added the spend requirement.
Yeah, I realize this is a terrible thing happening out there. I'm also a healthcare provider so I understand the severity of what's going on. I'm also 32. I see those kids in Florida talking about how they don't care and they are getting so heavily chastised for it. Yeah, it's an ignorant thing
.. I plan my work schedule out the entire calendar year in advanced so it will be extraordinarily difficult to rearrange most of my currently-planned trips if they have to be rescheduled. I'm also feeling lousy that I had a bunch of people cover my shifts to take this trip that wasn't and now I have to work myself to death next month to repay that debt.
I know this will go away at some point, but it's really frustrating. Everything I have to look forward to is tenuous-at-best. No, I'm not depressed, I don't need help. I really just need to go grab a drink but I guess I can't even do that.
Looking forward to better days ahead.
Anyone else feel the same?
Be glad you at least got an epic tale to tell and enjoyed Singapore where I am relieved to be “ stuck in “ . Things are calm here & now “ stay home notices “ for 14 days being mandatory for returnees , amongst other measures including cancellations of mass gatherings - church services being suspended for one until Palm Sunday .
Last trip was to BKK when the first case there was announced back in January .
Have since been working - or rather spending lots of time on - amending , cancelling & postponing trips . Garnering lots of help here on different FT forums .
To give you an idea : Cancelled Caucasus trip next month which includes Greece at the start & Germany ( Munich) pre & post Armenia & Georgia . Then some of our flights get cancelled & eventually borders closing & such .. Our paid for flights to & from Caucasus is hopefully in the process of being refunded and the trip partially . Hoping to visit later in autumn but likely only in ‘ 21 .
Of course , February & March trips were canned though as of Tuesday was still harbouring a plan to fly to HKG before their latest restrictions came into effect midnight Thursday ..
Then had the brilliant idea of moving flying “ Downunder “ - to NZ via Australia - as originally scheduled for later .. but you know what happened last weekend . Hold off Huka Lodge repeat stay & fly fishing
And a Baltic Cruise late June into July is in question .
Well , seems 2020 was to cover as many continents as possible sans Antarctica ( as only I was keen ) .
Then there is Seattle - yes , yes , know what you are thinking .. - in September , WA along with OR & CA plus BC - we shall see ..
Culinary trip to Lombardy & Tuscany in October ? Really rather dicey now
After the fall trips , our Cruisemates were even considering Easter Island , Galapagos , Peru ..
Many in the family are in health care too including an octogenarian , nonagenarian & younger ones
; Some respiratory specialists ..You get the drift .
Trying to take time now to “ relax “ , do things one was supposed to do but have been procrastinating as there was no time as mostly out of town
Also helping others including FTers plan for 2021 trips
So do hang on in there , catbox9 , helping others especially in your area of expertise - much appreciated !!!!!!
Having more iced lattes here - thankfully have lots of Nespresso capsules - must remember to freeze more milk !
Definitely better days ahead - hot cross buns soon !!
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Mar 20, 2020, 6:43 pm
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It is in the Medium post that was discussed a few days ago.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coron...e-f4d3d9cd99ca
But yes, I don’t recall any specific discussion here. It’s probably worth pointing to when people start asking when the mitigation measures will show results.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coron...e-f4d3d9cd99ca
But yes, I don’t recall any specific discussion here. It’s probably worth pointing to when people start asking when the mitigation measures will show results.
Mar 20, 2020, 7:00 pm
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Everyone needs to learn the facts about actual testing availability and the timeline involved. Do not fall for the anti-government clickbait on partisan sites.
Industry has ramped up and is on the verge of shipping enormous volumes of test capacity, with simpler 1-hour test kits presumably to follow. The only question is if the processing bottlenecks will get worked out faster than any resulting rise in diagnoses.
Industry has ramped up and is on the verge of shipping enormous volumes of test capacity, with simpler 1-hour test kits presumably to follow. The only question is if the processing bottlenecks will get worked out faster than any resulting rise in diagnoses.
Mar 20, 2020, 7:32 pm
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Quote:
"Here’s a simple illustration. Suppose you have a 3 acre lake and 1 x 3 inch invasion of lily pad gets in. It reproduces daily (so 2x per day). The lake will be full of these lily pads in 48 days (and say kill all the fish).
o 41: 1/128th of the lake is covered
o 42: 1/64th – probably now starting to be apparent
o 43: 1/32nd – obvious to all
o 44: 1/16th – Clearly a growing problem
o 45: 1/8th – Oh my gosh!
o 46: 1/4th – Where did that all come from????
The reality in the example is you had 40 days with nothing to see here and then too much to handle. The exact rates may vary for the virus but its why people are being asked to react “excessively” to their current perception". (end of quote)
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So, most of the West is waking up on day 41 with a suspicion that something is not right. They look at Italy on day 45 and are like "damn, what happened to them"? Florida is on day 40 and they are like "what is this fuss all about?" Some in the west are annoyed that they are on day 41, and they are like, "I am moving to a place that are still on day 40". And then most of the West is like "hold on a minute, give me my glasses", and then they realize that they are actually on day 42 and they begin to panic...
"Here’s a simple illustration. Suppose you have a 3 acre lake and 1 x 3 inch invasion of lily pad gets in. It reproduces daily (so 2x per day). The lake will be full of these lily pads in 48 days (and say kill all the fish).
- At 40 days, the lake is only ~1/256th or 0.4% lily pads barely visible. Although 40 days into the 48 day total timeline, there’s no clearly visible sign of an actual crisis.
o 41: 1/128th of the lake is covered
o 42: 1/64th – probably now starting to be apparent
o 43: 1/32nd – obvious to all
o 44: 1/16th – Clearly a growing problem
o 45: 1/8th – Oh my gosh!
o 46: 1/4th – Where did that all come from????
The reality in the example is you had 40 days with nothing to see here and then too much to handle. The exact rates may vary for the virus but its why people are being asked to react “excessively” to their current perception". (end of quote)
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So, most of the West is waking up on day 41 with a suspicion that something is not right. They look at Italy on day 45 and are like "damn, what happened to them"? Florida is on day 40 and they are like "what is this fuss all about?" Some in the west are annoyed that they are on day 41, and they are like, "I am moving to a place that are still on day 40". And then most of the West is like "hold on a minute, give me my glasses", and then they realize that they are actually on day 42 and they begin to panic...
Mar 20, 2020, 7:34 pm
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Did the US count really go up by 5,000 in a day or is there something wrong with the data?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
If it's accurate I guess testing in the US is finally getting upto speed.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
If it's accurate I guess testing in the US is finally getting upto speed.
Mar 20, 2020, 7:47 pm
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Did the US count really go up by 5,000 in a day or is there something wrong with the data?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
If it's accurate I guess testing in the US is finally getting upto speed.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
If it's accurate I guess testing in the US is finally getting upto speed.