Mar 11, 2020, 10:13 am
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Any member who can provide a constructive, helpful answer to a question; or post constructively in reply to a member's point-of-view, is welcome to post.
All FT rules apply, including avoiding personalized, snarky, political, other off-topic, commercial, and repeatedly disruptive content.
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COVID-19: Lounge thread for thoughts, concerns and questions
Mar 17, 2020, 12:29 pm
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OK, you think I don't get it and I know that you don't get it. Let's move on.
Mar 17, 2020, 12:30 pm
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Mar 17, 2020, 12:32 pm
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It is one sentence. How can you misinterpret it? Go back and read it again.
Actually the post I quoted had pretty bad grammar, so I will rewrite here. Should infected people be treated by the healthcare system? The answer is no. The should only be treated by the healthcare system if they have severe symptoms that they cannot survive on their own. Many infected have only slight symptoms and can just wait it out at home.
Actually the post I quoted had pretty bad grammar, so I will rewrite here. Should infected people be treated by the healthcare system? The answer is no. The should only be treated by the healthcare system if they have severe symptoms that they cannot survive on their own. Many infected have only slight symptoms and can just wait it out at home.
Mar 17, 2020, 12:42 pm
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I'm of course specifically referring to the bolded statement. Do you not believe that many people will die? Do you not believe the hospital systems will collapse from this? If so what do you think is wrong with the estimates. Or do you not care because they will be mainly older and sicker people. It seems it has to be one of the two options. I'm trying to understand which
Mar 17, 2020, 12:52 pm
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I have 4 trips booked, all from US to the EU. Booked them all last year, like October or earlier. Maybe some in November.
First one is mid April but with closure of Schengen, that's gone. Next one is late May.
Mar 17, 2020, 1:05 pm
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I'm of course specifically referring to the bolded statement. Do you not believe that many people will die? Do you not believe the hospital systems will collapse from this? If so what do you think is wrong with the estimates. Or do you not care because they will be mainly older and sicker people. It seems it has to be one of the two options. I'm trying to understand which
Mar 17, 2020, 1:18 pm
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One takeover from this situation will be that once this is over, we will never look at healthcare as an industry and profession the same way as it was before.
I expect there will be wide ranged discussion in the society what is healthcare for society and for an individual and what kind of obligation the healthcare system has toward an individual and visa versa.
P.S. Absolutely not joking - if any of you have connection to policymakers, tell them that they need to establish a special award or set of awards now which should go to individuals and businesses for their outstanding dedication to bring this pandemic under control. And people given such award need to be treated like national heroes. No more, no less.
I expect there will be wide ranged discussion in the society what is healthcare for society and for an individual and what kind of obligation the healthcare system has toward an individual and visa versa.
P.S. Absolutely not joking - if any of you have connection to policymakers, tell them that they need to establish a special award or set of awards now which should go to individuals and businesses for their outstanding dedication to bring this pandemic under control. And people given such award need to be treated like national heroes. No more, no less.
Not suggesting that’s your plan, but I beg you don’t go there!
Mar 17, 2020, 1:20 pm
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the US already spends more than the UK per patient. They'd SAVE money by going to universal healthcare.
Mar 17, 2020, 1:31 pm
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This is what I'm talking about. I think this kind of statement is just as negligent as someone who walks around in public with virus symptoms. The responsible experts are saying that we could be out of the woods by May or June in the US, judging by what is happening in China right now. We in the US can survive economically under this shutdown for a couple of months, but we should soon be preaching about going back to business as usual. And we should be conscious about the damage we are doing to the poor and middle class, JUST AS MUCH as we care about the health of our elderly.
Mar 17, 2020, 1:40 pm
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Has this COVID-19 situation caused airport lounges to close? data points?
Mar 17, 2020, 1:42 pm
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Mar 17, 2020, 2:02 pm
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Walking blindly across the road thumbing their phones? 🤪
But what do I know? I’m a geriatric, apparently. 75-yo, smoking for 60 of those, and (until now) travelling 50k-60k miles a year around the globe.
Mar 17, 2020, 2:33 pm
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This is what I'm talking about. I think this kind of statement is just as negligent as someone who walks around in public with virus symptoms. The responsible experts are saying that we could be out of the woods by May or June in the US, judging by what is happening in China right now. We in the US can survive economically under this shutdown for a couple of months, but we should soon be preaching about going back to business as usual. And we should be conscious about the damage we are doing to the poor and middle class, JUST AS MUCH as we care about the health of our elderly.
That wasn't what the response was to. No one has said otherwise. But your post implied that we are over reacting to this. And we should not be a concerned about the economy as we are human life, We are under reacting, or at least have been for weeks. The earlier and stronger we react the less it will ultimately cost. And China's economy has taken a huge hit from this. Something like a 20% decrease. Ours will be worse because we waited.
Mar 17, 2020, 2:38 pm
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Mar 17, 2020, 2:41 pm
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Italy is adding 350 deaths/day and is on track to surpass China's deaths in two days. I am wandering if all these people dying in hospitals or at home, not even making to the hospital.
The running death total of all closed cases worldwide on the worldometer has jumped from 6 to 9%.
The running death total of all closed cases worldwide on the worldometer has jumped from 6 to 9%.