Mar 11, 2020, 10:13 am
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Any member who can provide a constructive, helpful answer to a question; or post constructively in reply to a member's point-of-view, is welcome to post.
All FT rules apply, including avoiding personalized, snarky, political, other off-topic, commercial, and repeatedly disruptive content.
Discussion of general economic impacts of Covid-19 belongs in the OMNI forum, not here.
Discussion and critique of political/government actions to aid the economy or which is far more political than related to COVID-19 is for the OMNI/PR forum, not here.
This is a protocol for posting adopted by the forum Moderator team:Please follow this protocol, based on FlyerTalk Rules and long-standing FlyerTalk best practices. Doing so will help keep the thread open, and allow our moderator team to aid members, rather than having to resort to discipline.
•Constructive, respectful posts, views, opinions, questions, and replies, related to the topic are welcome. Avoid commenting on members personally, or posting off-topic or political messages.
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COVID-19: Lounge thread for thoughts, concerns and questions
Mar 17, 2020, 10:24 pm
#781
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Will there be a baby boom in 8 or 9 months?
Mar 17, 2020, 10:45 pm
#782
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I’ve had two leisure trips canceled in the past two days. One to PNH, another to Las Vegas. I love flying and being able to get away when I want as I’m sure most do on here.
I feel like I’m on the Truman Show where Jim Carrey’s character tries to travel and something always comes up to stop him no matter what.
Stay safe everyone.
I feel like I’m on the Truman Show where Jim Carrey’s character tries to travel and something always comes up to stop him no matter what.
Stay safe everyone.
Mar 17, 2020, 11:31 pm
#783
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We certainly had outbreaks from people eating together (Google "hotpot family").
Mar 17, 2020, 11:35 pm
#784
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CVS sent false coronavirus information to staff
The Chief Medical Officer of CVS sent a communication to staff that said
which is completely false.
How does something like this happen?
The Chief Medical Officer of CVS sent a communication to staff that said
Drinking warm water is an effective way to wash the virus into your stomach, where it is killed
How does something like this happen?
Mar 17, 2020, 11:55 pm
#785
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This is ridiculous scaremongering. Virtually everyone in a big city in China will have been eating delivered food every day during the lockdown. There is no evidence whatsoever that transmission via delivery bags/boxes/containers is remotely plausible.
Mar 18, 2020, 12:02 am
#786
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Good leadership is key.
WATCH: New York Governor Cuomo Praises Trump, Gives Patriotic Message
- I spoke to the president this morning again. He is ready, willing, and able to help, I’ve been speaking with members of his staff late last night. Early this morning. We need their help. Especially on the hospital capacity issue. We need FEMA. FEMA has tremendous resources. When I was at HUD I worked with FEMA. I know what they can do. I know what the Army Corps of Engineers can do. They have a capacity that we simply do not have.
I said to the president, who is a New Yorker, who I have known for many, many years, I put my hand out and partnership. I want to work together 100%. I need your help. I want your help. New Yorkers will do everything they can to be good partners with the federal government.
I think the president was 100% sincere in saying that he wanted to work together in partnership and in a spirit of cooperation. Steps he has taken <are> evidence of that. His team has been on it. I know a team when they are on it. I know a team when they are not on it. His team is on it. They have been responsive late at night, early in the morning. And they’ve thus far been doing everything that they can do, and I want to say thank you, and I want to say that I appreciate it, and they will have nothing but cooperation and partnership from the state of New York. -
- I spoke to the president this morning again. He is ready, willing, and able to help, I’ve been speaking with members of his staff late last night. Early this morning. We need their help. Especially on the hospital capacity issue. We need FEMA. FEMA has tremendous resources. When I was at HUD I worked with FEMA. I know what they can do. I know what the Army Corps of Engineers can do. They have a capacity that we simply do not have.
I said to the president, who is a New Yorker, who I have known for many, many years, I put my hand out and partnership. I want to work together 100%. I need your help. I want your help. New Yorkers will do everything they can to be good partners with the federal government.
I think the president was 100% sincere in saying that he wanted to work together in partnership and in a spirit of cooperation. Steps he has taken <are> evidence of that. His team has been on it. I know a team when they are on it. I know a team when they are not on it. His team is on it. They have been responsive late at night, early in the morning. And they’ve thus far been doing everything that they can do, and I want to say thank you, and I want to say that I appreciate it, and they will have nothing but cooperation and partnership from the state of New York. -
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Mar 18, 2020, 12:04 am
#787
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Mar 18, 2020, 12:06 am
#788
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Well yeah.
UK health experts say that global lockdowns (social distancing, curfews, travel bans) could last for the next 12-18 months. It's been all over the news in Europe today.
And again, try to fathom: No more flying for at least 1 year, not even some domestic traveling (some German states have already begun to prohibit hotel stays for tourists, regardless of nationality.
UK health experts say that global lockdowns (social distancing, curfews, travel bans) could last for the next 12-18 months. It's been all over the news in Europe today.
And again, try to fathom: No more flying for at least 1 year, not even some domestic traveling (some German states have already begun to prohibit hotel stays for tourists, regardless of nationality.
Mar 18, 2020, 12:10 am
#789
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Undoubtedly some enter the medical research industry to make money. But may also enter the industry simply to save lives and make the world a better place.
Think this man, Jonas Salk. https://www.sciencehistory.org/histo...rt-bruce-sabin
A real hero. He created the polio vaccine and saved millions of children from a life of machines and misery. He chose not patent to the vaccine, but to make it a public good. And I venture that more people are like him than those motivated by money.
Mar 18, 2020, 12:31 am
#790
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Yes, the man who invented the polio vaccine did so with altruistic intentions, and good for him (I saw “Sicko” too). Not to mention healthcare system’s where you have to get on a list for a life saving procedure, and you’ll be dead by the time it’s your turn. I was friends with nurses in Canada, and they would have to tell their patients if they didn’t go to the US for care, they would die.
I have lived in Holland, Germany, and the US. I have seen both systems up close. Yes we know “profit” is a dirty word when it comes to healthcare (and I somewhat agree with that) but unfortunately it’s the way the world works today. You can have care for everyone, but it’s not good care with minimal choices. Or you can have good care that not everyone gets. It’s just simple economics, and you have to decide what society you want to live in.
Here’s the special:
Mar 18, 2020, 12:34 am
#791
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Mar 18, 2020, 12:44 am
#792
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What about food workers?
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-...s-food-workers
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-...s-food-workers
Mar 18, 2020, 12:46 am
#793
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What about food workers?
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-...s-food-workers
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-...s-food-workers
Mar 18, 2020, 1:03 am
#795
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Hey everyone. So, this is going to sound extremely naive, and for reference, I am in New Zealand, one of the last countries to feel the full effects of it. But I really want some input here, I know I'm wrong, I just want to be told why I'm wrong.
From my perspective, I look at China, and they now have less than 20 cases a day. Their life is returning to normal. Schools are even reopening: https://www.inkstonenews.com/society...rticle/3075518
They locked down cities for 2 months, and it looks like the virus went away. Even in Italy, they had their lowest percentage increase today. South Korea massively stopped it. Singapore massively stopped it.
It seems that if cities/countries lock down temporarily, that is essentially kills the virus. Isn't that the solution? If we all did that: wouldn't the world be back to normal in 2-3 months?
From my perspective, I look at China, and they now have less than 20 cases a day. Their life is returning to normal. Schools are even reopening: https://www.inkstonenews.com/society...rticle/3075518
They locked down cities for 2 months, and it looks like the virus went away. Even in Italy, they had their lowest percentage increase today. South Korea massively stopped it. Singapore massively stopped it.
It seems that if cities/countries lock down temporarily, that is essentially kills the virus. Isn't that the solution? If we all did that: wouldn't the world be back to normal in 2-3 months?