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Anglo Large Clawed Otter Apr 22, 2009 9:43 am


Originally Posted by rolov (Post 11624807)
I was gonna suggest LH as well, and as far as BA goes:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3120/...8126b966fb.jpg

I can't let my 40K BA balance go to waste. A few AA Q-UPs and an SPG transfer, and I should have the 160K needed to to LAX-SCL-IPC and back in J on LA. After that, I'll choose a new program.

sbm12 Apr 22, 2009 9:47 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11624696)
To be fair about it, how much of that rise in your opinion is based on the actual product? I'm sure there are those people out there who tolerate the product because they get lots of Skykits or bumps and love to take advantage of their "give away the house" mentality. Not saying at all that you are one of those latter people, but I'm curious.

I only base it on the product, as I am not a UA 1K. The p.s. E+ seats are craptacular but no worse that CO's Y product. The other E+ seats are generally OK and the E- seats are, again, no worse than CO's product. I actually like the CO domestic F seat better, but the UA F seat is fine. With the exception of that one FA to SYD the others have generally been fine. Sure, I get a disinterested flight crew every now and then but I get that on CO, too. I still give an edge on the non-flight customer service to CO over UA based on GAs and PC/RCC agents, but my guess is that status drives that more than the carriers' actual operating mentalities.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Apr 22, 2009 9:49 am

I guess I could avoid BA by just doing a straight-up SPG transfer for 40K more miles, then do a CC trade for the other 80K.

rolov Apr 22, 2009 9:52 am


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 11624881)
I guess I could avoid BA by just doing a straight-up SPG transfer for 40K more miles, then do a CC trade for the other 80K.

The last BA flight I was on was an AVR:rolleyes:

ConciergeMike Apr 22, 2009 10:01 am

Mmmmmm....last night's pork tenderloin on an everything bagel, with tuna macaroni salad that has been in the fridge for about 2 days.

icurhere2 Apr 22, 2009 10:10 am


Originally Posted by Olton Hall (Post 11624610)
Is the owner that dumb to not know that the Dept. of Labor gets paper work on such things and passes it on to the Commission?

See points A and B in the post below:


Originally Posted by icurhere2 (Post 11624527)
That can largely be chalked up to:

A. Inept management*,
B. Intransigent management*, and
C. Competition

* Seriously - how bad is your management when you get dissolved by NJ regulators.


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11624654)
Not dumb...he was a pretty good hotelier until he attempted Atlantic City. The Commission opinion that stripped the company of its license noted in several places that the company made no effort to understand the business/regulatory climate in NJ. What actually nailed them was a violation of the statute on how the casino's internal audit committee has to be strucutured, not the service issues or layoffs.

The release by the Commission had a number of great quotes, including:

"Tropicana Casinos and Resorts, failed to meet strict state licensing requirements, including a lack of business ability, a lack of financial responsibility and a lack of good character, honesty and integrity."

Or the particularly brutal:

"In some respects, this has been the most difficult of cases because the Commission has had to apply its institutional regulatory expertise derived over the life of this agency to tell a long-time and otherwise apparently successful businessman that he lacks business ability," (emphasis added).

sbm12 Apr 22, 2009 10:10 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11624958)
Mmmmmm....last night's pork tenderloin on an everything bagel, with tuna macaroni salad that has been in the fridge for about 2 days.

Well, at least you let someone know so when the EMTs find you we'll be able to tell them what happened. ;)

ConciergeMike Apr 22, 2009 10:16 am


Originally Posted by icurhere2 (Post 11624998)
The release by the Commission had a number of great quotes, including:

"Tropicana Casinos and Resorts, failed to meet strict state licensing requirements, including a lack of business ability, a lack of financial responsibility and a lack of good character, honesty and integrity."

Or the particularly brutal:

"In some respects, this has been the most difficult of cases because the Commission has had to apply its institutional regulatory expertise derived over the life of this agency to tell a long-time and otherwise apparently successful businessman that he lacks business ability," (emphasis added).

The line about character, honesty and integrity was only in there because the Commission found out that they had been lied to, and in NJ that is an equal sin to lying to the Mafia Commission. Both of those actions spell the end real quick. What amazes me is that the lone dissenting vote on licensure came from the Commissioner who used to run the NJ State Police.

CO 1E Apr 22, 2009 10:17 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11624696)
To be fair about it, how much of that rise in your opinion is based on the actual product? I'm sure there are those people out there who tolerate the product because they get lots of Skykits or bumps and love to take advantage of their "give away the house" mentality. Not saying at all that you are one of those latter people, but I'm curious.

My opinion is based entirely on my experiences with UA's domestic hard and soft products. While I still prefer CO domestic F seats (I like the pleather better than the UA cloth and I find the UA seats to be a bit hard), the UA soft product is not much different from the CO soft product. Chelsea catering still beats UA catering overall, but UA's domestic F meals have improved quite a bit. Booze and wine quality basically is the same on both carriers.

I also like being able to fly larger aircraft than 737's on domestic routes and the greater frequencies UA provides on many routes. My *G status allows me to avoid non-elite check-in and security lines and gets me into the RCC's to use the agents therein for rebookings or other modifications to my itinerary. In addition, I have not encountered many surly employees recently. In my experience, one is more likely to get a surly agent at EWR with CO than at any of the UA domestic hubs. Nonetheless, CO's lounges are superior to the RCC's and CO still runs a more reliable operation. CO also has newer planes that tend to be in better condition (on the interior) and offers IFE on more flights than UA.

Overall, CO still offers a domestic product that I prefer to that of UA. That said, UA's overall domestic product is not far off from CO's, and UA's service seems to be improving. Thus, my opinion of UA continues to rise.

ConciergeMike Apr 22, 2009 10:18 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 11625001)
Well, at least you let someone know so when the EMTs find you we'll be able to tell them what happened. ;)

I'm trying to clear out the fridge and get rid of the nasty stuff. While my mother is on the cruise before we meet up in AMS, I'm going to try to eat as healthy as I can. Less crap, more olive oil, etc. Of the 12 dinners that I have planned, only one is really truly nasty on the nutrition side.

fozz Apr 22, 2009 10:35 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11624611)
I never went to a live event but for Norton's shows. I met Opie, Norton, and Club Soda Kenny. fozz still has me beat because he was in studio one day.

I miss my year off. That was a fun year.

The O&A week was a bit insane. I remember doing a SAN-LGW MR on Fri-Sun. Getting back to SAN Sun night and taking a 8am SAN-IAH-LGA trip to spend the night, go into the studio that morning and then hop on the eve EWR-SAN flight to go to the opening of a new club/rest that I had to be at.

Needless to say, by the time Wed rolled around I passed out.


Originally Posted by CO 1E (Post 11624616)
+1

UA gets a worse rap on this forum than it deserves, in my opinion. What's ironic is that the majority of UA critics seem to be those who rarely or never fly them. My opinion of UA has continued to improve as I fly them more and more.

+1 As someone who's spent a fair amount of time on UA in the last few years, they've actually gotten better then they were back in the mid-90s (which is the last time i regularly flew them).


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 11624672)
I hear that the PS F skykits give you a voucher good for a 5% stake in UAUA Common Stock.

Hopefully i'll find out this weekend. :)


Originally Posted by CO 1E (Post 11624679)
I kind of wish I also were a 1K, as well, but I just don't fly enough to do both CO Plat and UA 1K and I still want top tier in CO. BD Gold is a happy (and lucrative) medium.

It's not that hard, especially with the ridiculously cheap transcon fares UA pushes out at times and their super-loose routing rules. It's also not too bad getting on segments. You used to be able to do ORD-IAD-CLT-PIT and back for under $80 and do it all in one day if you did it right.


Originally Posted by rolov (Post 11624706)
I will be 1K on CO this year :rolleyes:

Welcome to the club!

fozz Apr 22, 2009 10:42 am

The 80k US-Europe reward, do I remember correctly that one could not use WBC for the over water segments?

Olton Hall Apr 22, 2009 10:43 am

My two cents on airline bashing overall. A couple of years ago people on the NW board were complaining about how bad the FA's had gotten as all of the "good" ones had left. I thought the FA's at that time were a huge improvement compared to the past. NW really was the sit down and shut up airline back in the 80' and 90's.

photog72 Apr 22, 2009 10:44 am


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 11623909)
I don't think I was ever on a DEN-IAH flight that wasn't elite heavy except for maybe the midday one.

The only upgrades I ever saw on that route were Y-UPs.

This is also the last flight out of DEN (for CO), departing at 16:45. I wonder why so many elites on this route.:confused: All the skiing in the mountains??

sbm12 Apr 22, 2009 10:49 am


Originally Posted by fozz (Post 11625212)
The 80k US-Europe reward, do I remember correctly that one could not use WBC for the over water segments?

KL metal only, IIRC. And KL metal only once in Europe. Segments in the USA can be any carrier.


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