MOBILE Flight Deck Secondary Barrier Galley Cart System
Feb 7, 2019, 3:17 pm
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Introduced by four MC's: Representatives André Carson (IN-07), Brian Fitzpatrick (PA-01), Josh Gottheimer (NJ-05), and Peter King (NY-02).
I wonder if any of them invest in companies that produce or install secondary cockpit barriers? Or how much any such companies have donated to their various campaign funds?
I wonder if any of them invest in companies that produce or install secondary cockpit barriers? Or how much any such companies have donated to their various campaign funds?
Feb 7, 2019, 4:21 pm
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Sorry, wrong article:
https://www.theintell.com/news/20190...-killed-on-911
The "Saracini Enhanced Aviation Safety Act of 2019," introduced by U.S. Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick and 10 co-sponsors last week, would require lightweight wire-mesh barriers to be installed on existing passenger aircraft.
Feb 8, 2019, 8:16 am
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Introduced by four MC's: Representatives André Carson (IN-07), Brian Fitzpatrick (PA-01), Josh Gottheimer (NJ-05), and Peter King (NY-02).
I wonder if any of them invest in companies that produce or install secondary cockpit barriers? Or how much any such companies have donated to their various campaign funds?
I wonder if any of them invest in companies that produce or install secondary cockpit barriers? Or how much any such companies have donated to their various campaign funds?
Feb 8, 2019, 9:00 am
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It's been a long while since I had exposure to government contracting so I may be behind the times. If government issues a Request for Proposal for a cockpit barrier I'm fairly sure that there would be requirements to prove it's effectiveness which would require a mock-up of the entrance to a typical cockpit for testing purposes. In addition I'm sure some proof that the proposed solution meets all standards. Then kick in the installation issues for the various makes and modes of aircraft in operation and the contracting process becomes fairly complex.
The Aviation Security business has grown in the last decade and I'm sure these companies have the staffing to respond to any Proposal Request both from a legal and engineering perspective. And the money to grease the right palms too!
The Aviation Security business has grown in the last decade and I'm sure these companies have the staffing to respond to any Proposal Request both from a legal and engineering perspective. And the money to grease the right palms too!
Feb 8, 2019, 5:56 pm
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It's been a long while since I had exposure to government contracting so I may be behind the times. If government issues a Request for Proposal for a cockpit barrier I'm fairly sure that there would be requirements to prove it's effectiveness which would require a mock-up of the entrance to a typical cockpit for testing purposes. In addition I'm sure some proof that the proposed solution meets all standards. Then kick in the installation issues for the various makes and modes of aircraft in operation and the contracting process becomes fairly complex.
The Aviation Security business has grown in the last decade and I'm sure these companies have the staffing to respond to any Proposal Request both from a legal and engineering perspective. And the money to grease the right palms too!
The Aviation Security business has grown in the last decade and I'm sure these companies have the staffing to respond to any Proposal Request both from a legal and engineering perspective. And the money to grease the right palms too!
And that's why I think it's doomed to failure, because both the carriers and the aircraft manufacturers will lobby the heck out of Congress to kill that bill d-e-d-d-dead.
Feb 10, 2019, 3:28 am
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The creators of the 2006 movie "United 93" CLEARLY believe that 9/11 hijackers simply waited for the cockpit doors to routinely open early when the pilots got breakfast trays and used the lavatory. Watch these two scenes in which the muscle hijackers are chiding the boss for not attacking when the doors were open with the flight attendant's back to the cabin:
Feb 10, 2019, 4:43 am
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Is this what we’ve become? A dramatic representation of events that took place almost 20 years ago, in a completely different security climate, is now considered evidence?
Feb 10, 2019, 6:43 am
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The creators of the 2006 movie "United 93" CLEARLY believe that 9/11 hijackers simply waited for the cockpit doors to routinely open early when the pilots got breakfast trays and used the lavatory. Watch these two scenes in which the muscle hijackers are chiding the boss for not attacking when the doors were open with the flight attendant's back to the cabin:
Feb 10, 2019, 8:54 am
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What's changed to stop someone from diving into an unlocked cockpit? Do you trust the unbeknownst flight attendants—some in their 70s—and drink-carts to stop a suicidal terrorist?
Feb 10, 2019, 9:08 am
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The ones who weren't crashing the jets.
No, the cockpit doors were routinely unlocked to give the pilots breakfast trays or when the used the lavatory—those 2 scenes in the movie "United 93" shows this.
There were no secondary barriers then and there aren't any now.
But EL AL ALWAYS had them. Here's a CBS News article that came out 4 months before the U.S. Supreme Court-cited July 28, 2003 al Qaeda copy-cat plot of 9/11—wait for the doors to routinely unlock:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bulletproof-cockpit-doors-a-reality/
No, the cockpit doors were routinely unlocked to give the pilots breakfast trays or when the used the lavatory—those 2 scenes in the movie "United 93" shows this.
There were no secondary barriers then and there aren't any now.
But EL AL ALWAYS had them. Here's a CBS News article that came out 4 months before the U.S. Supreme Court-cited July 28, 2003 al Qaeda copy-cat plot of 9/11—wait for the doors to routinely unlock:
[Captain Steve] Luckey [Chairman of the National Security Committee for ALPA] would like to see another safety measure — a Kevlar curtain that acts as a secondary barrier when the cockpit door is opened. He said the curtain would delay a terrorist long enough for passengers to attack him. Luckey wants Congress to order all planes to have it.
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Israel's national airline, El Al, has among the most stringent security requirements. All its planes have double doors separated by a narrow hallway, said Offer Einav, former security director for the airline. Pilots must close one door before opening the other, he said.
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Israel's national airline, El Al, has among the most stringent security requirements. All its planes have double doors separated by a narrow hallway, said Offer Einav, former security director for the airline. Pilots must close one door before opening the other, he said.
Feb 10, 2019, 2:06 pm
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If the politicians are specifying wire mesh gates wouldn't that negate the need for mobile aircraft barrier carts?
Feb 10, 2019, 2:46 pm
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My barrier cart rolls off with a new one to replace it after landing--zero downtime.
The 12-cable system is also dangerous due to being exposed to the general passengers. It can be sabotaged with a simple metal tool or super-glue.
My barrier cart has an disturb-circuit alarm after it's stowed. It also collapses back into the special cart, stows and locks away with the standard drink-carts, and camoflages with them. Impossible to sabotage.
Finally, the 12-cable "wire mesh" system cannot stop firearms or synthetic opiod attacks with fentanyl or carfentanil. My barrier is bullet-proof and seals the forward galley.
Feb 10, 2019, 3:00 pm
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My partner is the other side of the door, making him the intended beneficiary of all this rhetoric. I worry about many things that mean he won’t come home at night but “suicidal terrorists” are not one of them.
Feb 10, 2019, 3:12 pm
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...airport-video/
But gives the airport workers carte blanche--like those who are trucking in religious airline meals:
https://www.whistleblower.org/press-...s-exposed-air/
Feb 10, 2019, 3:24 pm
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We don’t have that here
maybe take it up with your politicians and media, rather than adding to project fear???
maybe take it up with your politicians and media, rather than adding to project fear???