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MacLeanBarrier Nov 3, 2017 8:36 pm

MOBILE Flight Deck Secondary Barrier Galley Cart System
 
Greetings everyone!

I'm the same person being cited in [Mod edit: the FAM Fired for Revealing Info Deemed “Sensitive” After He Revealed It] thread.

I've invented a MOBILE flight deck (cockpit) secondary barrier transforming galley cart system that's significantly more inexpensive and safer than the barrier now being built into already existing aircraft cabins:

Twitter: @MacLeanBarrier
Facebook: @MacLeanBarrier

Sorry, the forum doesn't allow me to post URLs until I've posted four more times.

I'd love to get your comments and questions.

Appreciatively and respectfully,

Robert J. MacLean
Leesburg, Virginia (U.S.)

Boggie Dog Nov 3, 2017 8:59 pm


Originally Posted by MacLeanBarrier (Post 29016154)
Greetings everyone!

I'm the same person being cited in this thread.

I've invented a MOBILE flight deck (cockpit) secondary barrier transforming galley cart system that's significantly more inexpensive and safer than the barrier now being built into already existing aircraft cabins:

Twitter: @MacLeanBarrier
Facebook: @MacLeanBarrier

Sorry, the forum doesn't allow me to post URLs until I've posted four more times.

I'd love to get your comments and questions.

Appreciatively and respectfully,

Robert J. MacLean
Leesburg, Virginia (U.S.)

Haven't you posted in this thread previously under a different name?

MacLeanBarrier Nov 3, 2017 9:20 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 29016227)
Haven't you posted in this thread previously under a different name?

No. Who are you may I ask? Where do you work?

Regards,

Robert J. MacLean
Twitter: @MacLeanBarrier
Facebook: @MacLeanBarrier

MacLeanBarrier Nov 4, 2017 9:51 am

What do you think of the barrier Tim?

JamesBigglesworth Nov 4, 2017 2:57 pm


Originally Posted by MacLeanBarrier (Post 29017717)
What do you think of the barrier Tim?

It's a solution in search of a problem.

Very American. Very Paranoid. Very impractical. TSA will love it.

MacLeanBarrier Nov 4, 2017 3:17 pm


Originally Posted by JamesBigglesworth (Post 29018598)
It's a solution in search of a problem.

Very American. Very Paranoid. Very impractical. TSA will love it.

So you're 100% confident that a flight attendant and a 3' galley cart—none of which are on JetBlue Airbuses and Southwest—stopping a suicidal sprint-dive into the flight deck? Do you think all of the solo vehicle-ramming attacks are anomalies?

Boggie Dog Nov 4, 2017 4:33 pm


Originally Posted by MacLeanBarrier (Post 29018662)
So you're 100% confident that a flight attendant and a 3' galley cart—none of which are on JetBlue Airbuses and Southwest—stopping a suicidal sprint-dive into the flight deck? Do you think all of the solo vehicle-ramming attacks are anomalies?

Are you suggesting that cockpit security doors are so flimsy that a person can run, dive and breech the cockpit door? Without injury? Is this what you're defining as a solo vehicle-ramming attack? I've never heard that term used before. What are the alternate systems competing?

MacLeanBarrier Nov 4, 2017 4:43 pm


Originally Posted by boggie dog (Post 29018876)
are you suggesting that cockpit security doors are so flimsy that a person can run, dive and breech the cockpit door? Without injury? Is this what you're defining as a solo vehicle-ramming attack? I've never heard that term used before. What are the alternate systems competing?

page 2:


sprinting and diving into a flight deck, also know as a “cockpit,” only needs one attacker and one opportunity when a pilot enters the cabin during flight to use the lavatory, obtain sustenance, or crew-rest.
page 3:


inward-opening flight deck doors are exceptionally more vulnerable to an attack because the door swings against a pilot the moment he/she opens it. An attack on an outward-opening door gives a crew member the chance to use his/her backside to close it in which the frame reinforces the door. An attack on an outward-opening doored flight deck requires the attacker to have to wedge himself between the door and the frame if he cannot dive into the flight deck semi-impeded or unimpeded. Only spring-latches protect flight decks with an inward-opening door. There are approximately 1,187 existing aircraft with inward-opening doors. Mostinward-opening flight deck doors are exceptionally more vulnerable to an attack because the door swings against a pilot the moment he/she opens it. An attack on an outward-opening door gives a crew member the chance to use his/her backside to close it in which the frame reinforces the door. An attack on an outward-opening doored flight deck requires the attacker to have to wedge himself between the door and the frame if he cannot dive into the flight deck semi-impeded or unimpeded. Only spring-latches protect flight decks with an inward-opening door. There are approximately 1,187 existing aircraft with inward-opening doors.

petaluma1 Nov 4, 2017 5:42 pm


Originally Posted by JamesBigglesworth (Post 29018598)
It's a solution in search of a problem.

Very American. Very Paranoid. Very impractical. TSA will love it.

All of TSA is a solution in search of a problem and very paranoid and impractical and getting worse.

Boggie Dog Nov 5, 2017 7:09 am


Originally Posted by MacLeanBarrier (Post 29018906)
page 2:



page 3:

Seems if any changes are called for it would be to reverse the door swing. The threat of a terrorist trying to breech a cockpit doesn't seem all that great anyhow.

MacLeanBarrier Nov 5, 2017 7:51 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 29020738)
Seems if any changes are called for it would be to reverse the door swing. The threat of a terrorist trying to breech a cockpit doesn't seem all that great anyhow.

PAGE 27 of the $150/view public 2011 "Radio Technical Commission on Aeronautics" (DO-329) study report that was heavily redacted:


"Based on data collected by the committee, an unimpeded attacker who is within a certain distance (SSI) to the flight deck can reach the flight deck door before the crewmembers can close and secure the door."

Boggie Dog Nov 5, 2017 8:15 am


Originally Posted by MacLeanBarrier (Post 29020862)
PAGE 27 of the $150/view public 2011 "Radio Technical Commission on Aeronautics" (DO-329) study report that was heavily redacted:

No terrorists are trying to breech the door. I even question the need for FAM's. A lot of expense for no return. High pay plus 25% LEAP is just too much. Much like the rest of TSA, not worth the cost.

TWA884 Nov 5, 2017 9:37 am

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MacLeanBarrier Nov 5, 2017 11:49 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 29020937)
No terrorists are trying to breech the door. I even question the need for FAM's. A lot of expense for no return. High pay plus 25% LEAP is just too much. Much like the rest of TSA, not worth the cost.

Not true sir.

Page 7 of the RTCA DO-329 that was withheld from the TSA Federal Air Marshal Service's supervisors in charge of training, instructors, and the flying rank-and-file for five years until I spent two months demanding that TSA and FAA Headquarters to provide me an UNREDACTED copy:

"Current intelligence indicates that the probability of such an attack is high enough to warrant evaluation of current procedures and equipment designed to thwart such an attack when the flight deck door is opened during normal flight operations, as well as proposed improvements to the same."

javabytes Nov 5, 2017 1:46 pm

The national security apparatus imagines threats that justify its own continued existence and expansion? Color me shocked.


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