Pax lights fireworks on NW AMS-DTW flight
Dec 26, 2009, 6:09 am
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http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...ml#post5403220
"New rules implemented for US bound flights require that:
Additional hands on security screening at the gate
PAX must remain seated for the last hour of the flight
No access to carry on luggage for the last hour of flight
No personal effects in the posession for the last hour of flight including bags or airline pillows blankets etc.
Great travels to US of A to everyone. I will give it a pass."
and
".. New regs given to Finnair also say: no internet, no satphone calls, no P/A announcements from the flight deck about where the aircraft happens to be flying while in US airspace, and obviously no moving map displays either. What´s next? No in-flight entertainment at all unless unwanted functions can be disabled?"
Sounds like the old rules for flights into DCA, only worse.
Dec 26, 2009, 6:10 am
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Its doesn't says any existing about new policies at all. There is no such new things about security concerns. Because the passengers who have to rights access carryons and etc. There is no more new rules about remains in the seated is not necessary for 1-hour remains in the seated at all.
Dec 26, 2009, 6:10 am
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explosive powder taped to his leg and that he had mixed it with chemicals held in a syringe.
Unfortunately, the people who are going to suffer the most from the actions of this imbecile are those who need to carry syringes and medical supplies.
Dec 26, 2009, 6:14 am
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Confirmed over at pprune:
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...ml#post5403220
"New rules implemented for US bound flights require that:
Additional hands on security screening at the gate
PAX must remain seated for the last hour of the flight
No access to carry on luggage for the last hour of flight
No personal effects in the posession for the last hour of flight including bags or airline pillows blankets etc.
Great travels to US of A to everyone. I will give it a pass."
and
".. New regs given to Finnair also say: no internet, no satphone calls, no P/A announcements from the flight deck about where the aircraft happens to be flying while in US airspace, and obviously no moving map displays either. What´s next? No in-flight entertainment at all unless unwanted functions can be disabled?"
Sounds like the old rules for flights into DCA, only worse.
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...ml#post5403220
"New rules implemented for US bound flights require that:
Additional hands on security screening at the gate
PAX must remain seated for the last hour of the flight
No access to carry on luggage for the last hour of flight
No personal effects in the posession for the last hour of flight including bags or airline pillows blankets etc.
Great travels to US of A to everyone. I will give it a pass."
and
".. New regs given to Finnair also say: no internet, no satphone calls, no P/A announcements from the flight deck about where the aircraft happens to be flying while in US airspace, and obviously no moving map displays either. What´s next? No in-flight entertainment at all unless unwanted functions can be disabled?"
Sounds like the old rules for flights into DCA, only worse.
Dec 26, 2009, 6:17 am
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How do any of the Air Canada listed new rules (if true) prevent this incident? No accessing baggage last hour of flight? How do they stop you from going into your carry on at your feet, or your pants pocket? Can't get up for last hour, then just do your deed 65 minutes prior to landing. If this latest wackjob really wanted to blow up a plane on "US soil" he picked a really bad route that spends very little time over US airspace.
Just incredibly stupid if true.
Just incredibly stupid if true.
Dec 26, 2009, 6:30 am
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Originally Posted by halls120 View Post
Can any of the TSA kool aid drinkers tell me just how we're getting a return on our security investment? The reality is this - unless every passenger is strip searched before boarding, a dedicated individual is going to be able to board an aircraft with the capability to do harm, and someday that harm may be carried out. Regardless of whatever draconian measures the TSA thinks up next.
Can any of the TSA kool aid drinkers tell me just how we're getting a return on our security investment? The reality is this - unless every passenger is strip searched before boarding, a dedicated individual is going to be able to board an aircraft with the capability to do harm, and someday that harm may be carried out. Regardless of whatever draconian measures the TSA thinks up next.
Dec 26, 2009, 6:34 am
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How are they going to enforce these?
Confirmed over at pprune:
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...ml#post5403220
"New rules implemented for US bound flights require that:
Additional hands on security screening at the gate
PAX must remain seated for the last hour of the flight
No access to carry on luggage for the last hour of flight
No personal effects in the posession for the last hour of flight including bags or airline pillows blankets etc.
Great travels to US of A to everyone. I will give it a pass."
and
".. New regs given to Finnair also say: no internet, no satphone calls, no P/A announcements from the flight deck about where the aircraft happens to be flying while in US airspace, and obviously no moving map displays either. What´s next? No in-flight entertainment at all unless unwanted functions can be disabled?"
Sounds like the old rules for flights into DCA, only worse.
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...ml#post5403220
"New rules implemented for US bound flights require that:
Additional hands on security screening at the gate
PAX must remain seated for the last hour of the flight
No access to carry on luggage for the last hour of flight
No personal effects in the posession for the last hour of flight including bags or airline pillows blankets etc.
Great travels to US of A to everyone. I will give it a pass."
and
".. New regs given to Finnair also say: no internet, no satphone calls, no P/A announcements from the flight deck about where the aircraft happens to be flying while in US airspace, and obviously no moving map displays either. What´s next? No in-flight entertainment at all unless unwanted functions can be disabled?"
Sounds like the old rules for flights into DCA, only worse.
Access to carry on bags? That one might be tough considering EVERYONE carries on way too much already (including myself) and those overhead bins only hold so much and most don't lock. This won't last and is the not so brilliant idea of a government paper pusher who thinks these rules are as "fair and balanced" as Fox News.
Dec 26, 2009, 7:20 am
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I think what happened was awful and sad, but I honestly doubt TSA will change anything or change their policies. This was an international flight, from an international airport, and the situation just happened to occur near DTW. Technically, the flight is still international (not in the USA) until it lands and the gate door opens...that's what I heard, anyway.
TSA shouldn't care, as long as it's not due to their incompentence. AMS and other airports will probably tighten security considerably, though.
Just my two cents.
TSA shouldn't care, as long as it's not due to their incompentence. AMS and other airports will probably tighten security considerably, though.
Just my two cents.
People are missing their flights today due to new "enhanced" restrictions. Sounds like additional questioning is ongoing as well.
Dec 26, 2009, 7:25 am
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And don't forget...adding additional checked baggage is a windfall for most carriers now. This would be peoples 3rd or 4th checked bag. It used to be free, but now could be $50-100US PER direction, per passenger. That will do alot to keep the carriers happy.
Dec 26, 2009, 7:30 am
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Yes, that's exactly what the TSA wants - to get one step closer to strip-searching every traveler before they board.
How would making this guy go through a WBI have changed anything? This guy had a syringe, some liquid and some powder — none of which are prohibited items.
How would making this guy go through a WBI have changed anything? This guy had a syringe, some liquid and some powder — none of which are prohibited items.
Somewhere on the web there is a story called "The Consultant". There is a scene that's the wet dream of a lot of TSOs, including a few I could name here. Regular passengers are pretty much treated like the prisoners in Con Air and the way to avoid getting the rectal exam at the screening station is to put $100 in the TSO's "tip jar".
The scary part: That's how "trusted traveler program" subscribers were treated. You can imagine what happened to the kettles, assuming they were allowed to fly at all.
Does this really come as a surprise? TSA is a master at closing the barn door after the horses got out.
Actually this has gone past "overboard" and all the way to "full retard".
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Dec 26, 2009, 7:36 am
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The good thing about this is that it demonstrated that the mixing of components onboard the aircraft doesn't work very well.
I hope this guy stays in a whole lot of pain.
Because of him flyers will pay more and be subjected to much more intrusive screening processes.
I hope this guy stays in a whole lot of pain.
Because of him flyers will pay more and be subjected to much more intrusive screening processes.
Dec 26, 2009, 7:38 am
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Dec 26, 2009, 7:45 am
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Follow the money.
Dec 26, 2009, 7:51 am
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If the reports about no access to your carry on baggage for the last hour and no leaving your seat during this same time are correct, this actually may be what it takes for the traveling public to wake up and demand real change.
Apparently no one at TSA realizes that a potential terrorist might be smart enough to get up 65 minutes from touchdown and access his carry on luggage and retrieve whatever it is he/she intends to use to commit a terrorist act.
Dec 26, 2009, 7:58 am
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The syringe - unless it was the size of a horse syringe - could have been brought on board in a carry-on as a required medical item, even pre-filled as it was according to the NY Times,
and the powder also could have been declared medically necessary, if he were smart enough to do that.
Unfortunately, the people who are going to suffer the most from the actions of this imbecile are those who need to carry syringes and medical supplies.
and the powder also could have been declared medically necessary, if he were smart enough to do that.
Unfortunately, the people who are going to suffer the most from the actions of this imbecile are those who need to carry syringes and medical supplies.
I think you might be right.