Pax lights fireworks on NW AMS-DTW flight
Dec 26, 2009, 1:01 pm
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And you are right it is more than "Arab terrorists bad, USA good."
But like I said, let's not Omni this thread.
Dec 26, 2009, 1:03 pm
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Did you catch his bandaged right hand? He must be the pax reported to have sustained minor injuries.
Dec 26, 2009, 1:22 pm
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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss
What you don't seem to see is an out of control TSA making folks study a slightly earlier document which includes the line:
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
Of course this document is not legally binding, and the Constitution now makes attempting to follow it treason. But your agency was founded by George II. . .
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
Of course this document is not legally binding, and the Constitution now makes attempting to follow it treason. But your agency was founded by George II. . .
Dec 26, 2009, 1:24 pm
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As someone who used to fly regularly pre-9/11 knives/box cutters were not allowed onto airplanes. However myself and many other people in my industry who carried specialized tools for work routinely brought knives far bigger than a pocket knife into the cabin. If the box cutters had been stopped at security things would have been very different.
Dec 26, 2009, 1:28 pm
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As someone who used to fly regularly pre-9/11 knives/box cutters were not allowed onto airplanes. However myself and many other people in my industry who carried specialized tools for work routinely brought knives far bigger than a pocket knife into the cabin. If the box cutters had been stopped at security things would have been very different.
The problem was pre 9/11, people did what airline hijackers demanded. These days are over, and the terrorists know it. If they try to do anything, passengers are not going to be passive and allow the terrorists to do what they want.
So the standard operating procedures were mainly to blame to allow the 9/11 to happen.
As proved yesterday, passengers now are jumping into action to stop terrorists, and as a result we are all much safer.
Dec 26, 2009, 1:36 pm
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So do you think he will get free flights now?
Dec 26, 2009, 1:41 pm
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CNN just said he has been charged and they gave the explosive type. PK(something) I am sorry I was not able to catch it.
Here it is off of Fox
A preliminary FBI analysis found that the device contained PETN, also known as pentaerythritol, a high explosive.
Hey look you can buy it here. http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/pr...u=8813162&pfx=
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentaer...l_tetranitrate
Here it is off of Fox
A preliminary FBI analysis found that the device contained PETN, also known as pentaerythritol, a high explosive.
Hey look you can buy it here. http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/pr...u=8813162&pfx=
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentaer...l_tetranitrate
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Dec 26, 2009, 1:42 pm
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As someone who used to fly regularly pre-9/11 knives/box cutters were not allowed onto airplanes. However myself and many other people in my industry who carried specialized tools for work routinely brought knives far bigger than a pocket knife into the cabin. If the box cutters had been stopped at security things would have been very different.
Dec 26, 2009, 1:56 pm
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Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
'Shall have power to [act]' is not synonymous with a requirement to act.
Dec 26, 2009, 1:59 pm
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Do you think the rest of us are so stupid so as not to recognize security theater when we see it? You must think we're truly blind and stupid. Sadly for you that is not the case.
Dec 26, 2009, 2:01 pm
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This is one of the most asinine, insulting, and downright stupid things I've read on this forum in a long, long time. (And I frequent OMNI/PR, so I've seen my fair share of all of those things.)
It's insulting to the memories of those who died on 9/11 to even remotely use it to justify the ...-clowning going on at the TSA. 
I'm speechless. Or at least speechless in so far as what I'd say would violate the TOS.
This is one of the most asinine, insulting, and downright stupid things I've read on this forum in a long, long time. (And I frequent OMNI/PR, so I've seen my fair share of all of those things.)
It's insulting to the memories of those who died on 9/11 to even remotely use it to justify the ...-clowning going on at the TSA.
I'm speechless. Or at least speechless in so far as what I'd say would violate the TOS.
The 9/11 victims would be horrified at the stupidity inflicted upon the American people in their name. This is beyond asinine.
Dec 26, 2009, 2:01 pm
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Muslim terrorists we can kill, we can't do the same to the TSA.
Dec 26, 2009, 2:03 pm
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Well, it’s been shown again that PAX will jump into action even at the risk of injury to themselves ^:
A man sitting across from Mutallab, Jasper Schuringa, sprang into action, climbing over other passengers to restrain the terrorist, and suffering burns in the process, said Smith.
Syed Jafry, who was three rows behind the suspect, said another "young man behind me jumped on him.
The ordeal ended when "a sturdy guy put a lock on [Mutallab's] head," and dragged him to the front of the plane, Veena Saigl, told the Detroit Free Press. Mudallad's "pants were down," she said.
A man sitting across from Mutallab, Jasper Schuringa, sprang into action, climbing over other passengers to restrain the terrorist, and suffering burns in the process, said Smith.
Syed Jafry, who was three rows behind the suspect, said another "young man behind me jumped on him.
The ordeal ended when "a sturdy guy put a lock on [Mutallab's] head," and dragged him to the front of the plane, Veena Saigl, told the Detroit Free Press. Mudallad's "pants were down," she said.
Dec 26, 2009, 2:04 pm
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Well, it’s been shown again that PAX will jump into action even at the risk of injury to themselves ^:
A man sitting across from Mutallab, Jasper Schuringa, sprang into action, climbing over other passengers to restrain the terrorist, and suffering burns in the process, said Smith.
Syed Jafry, who was three rows behind the suspect, said another "young man behind me jumped on him.
The ordeal ended when "a sturdy guy put a lock on [Mutallab's] head," and dragged him to the front of the plane, Veena Saigl, told the Detroit Free Press. Mudallad's "pants were down," she said.
A man sitting across from Mutallab, Jasper Schuringa, sprang into action, climbing over other passengers to restrain the terrorist, and suffering burns in the process, said Smith.
Syed Jafry, who was three rows behind the suspect, said another "young man behind me jumped on him.
The ordeal ended when "a sturdy guy put a lock on [Mutallab's] head," and dragged him to the front of the plane, Veena Saigl, told the Detroit Free Press. Mudallad's "pants were down," she said.