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Table of Contents
Does Chase have a limit on the number or frequency of applications like Citi's 8/65 rule?
Chase does not have a known limit. However, several reports (for example) indicate that Chase is highly sensitive to multiple applications within a short time period, and that the second (or subsequent) applications run a substantial risk of being denied. In many cases, this is likely related to Chase's practice of allocating a large credit line (up to an applicant's personal maximum) when approving a new card such as the first application in a series. (See also the discussion below concerning aggregate Chase credit lines.)
What's this I hear about Chase denying applications to people who have recently opened a lot of credit cards?
Starting in May 2015, Chase began denying applications for its own personal cards (e.g., Sapphire Preferred, Freedom, Slate & Freedom Unlimited) if the applicant's credit report shows that she or he opened 5 or more credit cards with any card issuer in the prior 24 months ("the 5/24 rule").
For a few days in early September 2016, Chase included explicit language ("You will not be approved for this card if you have opened 5 or more bank cards in the past 24 months") on the application page for the Sapphire Reserve card--and then promptly removed it. The absence of this language on landing/application pages for the CSR or any other Chase card is not a reliable indicator of whether the 5/24 policy applies.
See the next section for co-branded cards exempt from the 5/24 policy, and the later section discussing potential ways around 5/24.
Does the 5/24 rule apply to applications for all Chase cards?
Previously the rule did not apply to applications for the Ink Plus business card or to co-branded cards such as United, Hyatt, IHG, etc. However, on May 22, 2016 Chase extended its 5/24 rule to cover Ink business cards and some co-branded cards. (Note that there were premature reports that Chase Ink Plus would be made subject to the rule in March 2016 (which did not happen), and that all co-branded cards would follow in April 2016 (also did not happen).)
Although we had numerous reports of applications prior to May 22 being denied for a United/Hyatt/IHG/WN card by a CSR citing the 5/24 rule, the available evidence strongly suggested that those applicants had other serious issues--multiple Chase applications in a short period; large existing Chase credit line--and that overzealous CSRs gratuitously (and erroneously) invoked the 5/24 rule in the past as an additional supposed justification for the denial. Thus, it is difficult to separate such false positives from any change in Chase policy.
Instead, the most useful data points are those where an applicant is approved for a Chase card despite being over 5/24. Since May 22, 2016, we have such reports for these co-branded cards (in order from oldest to newest for each card):
For a longer list of cards apparently not subject to 5/24, check this link:http://www.doctorofcredit.com/chase-...ail-need-know/
In November 2018, Chase seems to have possibly expanded 5/24 to more cards, possibly including some mentioned above. See this link:]https://www.doctorofcredit.com/has-c...-have-no-idea/
Please follow discussion in the thread for current updates.
How does Chase calculate the number of an applicant's new cards for purposes of the 5/24 rule?
The 24-month count includes personal cards opened at other banks, and even cards on which the applicant is only an authorized user and not the primary cardholder. Chase has been extremely inflexible with this policy, with agents stating that there is nothing they can do to circumvent this restriction. However, in some cases Chase may reconsider a denial if the applicant has <5 new cards excluding cards on which s/he is an authorized user. You may need to escalate to the next level of customer service agent, as many front-line agents seem to be unable or unwilling to remove the authorized user accounts from the count.
Note:To review the previous version of this thread, with posts from 2020 - 2022, click HERE.
For information on specific Chase cards and their bonuses/terms/benefits, see the following threads and their associated wikis:
- Chase Freedom
- Chase Freedom Unlimited
- Chase Sapphire Preferred
- Chase Sapphire Reserve
- Chase Ink Plus
- Chase Ink Business Preferred
- Marriott Premier Visa
- IHG Rewards Visa/MC
- Hyatt Rewards Card from Chase
- Chase BA Visa
- United MileagePlus Explorer Card; business card
- United MileagePlus Club Card (and business card)
- Southwest Airlines, 4 cards currently available
- Chase Amazon Visa
Table of Contents
- Does Chase have a limit on the number or frequency of applications like Citi's 8/65 rule?
- What's this I hear about Chase denying applications to people who have recently opened a lot of credit cards?
- Does the 5/24 rule apply to applications for all Chase cards?
- How does Chase calculate the number of an applicant's new cards for purposes of the 5/24 rule?
- How does Chase calculate the relevant 24-month period? By calendar months? By exact days?
- Can I get around the 5/24 policy by closing cards I've opened in the past 24 months?
- Is there any way around the 5/24 policy (targeted mailers, pre-approvals, Chase Private Client status)?
- Can I apply for a specific Chase card and earn the bonus again after doing so previously?
- I'm an authorized user for a card issued to my spouse/parent. Does that prevent me from signing up for the same card and earning a bonus?
- I already have several Chase cards with a substantial aggregate line of credit. Will it improve my odds if I close an existing account (or lower its credit line) before applying for another?
- I wasn't auto-approved. Should I call in?
- How can I determine the deadline for meeting the spend requirement to earn the signup bonus?
- Once I meet the card's spend requirement, how soon will I receive my signup bonus points?
- Should I downgrade or cancel my existing cards before applying?
- Useful Chase telephone numbers
Does Chase have a limit on the number or frequency of applications like Citi's 8/65 rule?
Chase does not have a known limit. However, several reports (for example) indicate that Chase is highly sensitive to multiple applications within a short time period, and that the second (or subsequent) applications run a substantial risk of being denied. In many cases, this is likely related to Chase's practice of allocating a large credit line (up to an applicant's personal maximum) when approving a new card such as the first application in a series. (See also the discussion below concerning aggregate Chase credit lines.)
What's this I hear about Chase denying applications to people who have recently opened a lot of credit cards?
Starting in May 2015, Chase began denying applications for its own personal cards (e.g., Sapphire Preferred, Freedom, Slate & Freedom Unlimited) if the applicant's credit report shows that she or he opened 5 or more credit cards with any card issuer in the prior 24 months ("the 5/24 rule").
For a few days in early September 2016, Chase included explicit language ("You will not be approved for this card if you have opened 5 or more bank cards in the past 24 months") on the application page for the Sapphire Reserve card--and then promptly removed it. The absence of this language on landing/application pages for the CSR or any other Chase card is not a reliable indicator of whether the 5/24 policy applies.
See the next section for co-branded cards exempt from the 5/24 policy, and the later section discussing potential ways around 5/24.
Does the 5/24 rule apply to applications for all Chase cards?
Previously the rule did not apply to applications for the Ink Plus business card or to co-branded cards such as United, Hyatt, IHG, etc. However, on May 22, 2016 Chase extended its 5/24 rule to cover Ink business cards and some co-branded cards. (Note that there were premature reports that Chase Ink Plus would be made subject to the rule in March 2016 (which did not happen), and that all co-branded cards would follow in April 2016 (also did not happen).)
Although we had numerous reports of applications prior to May 22 being denied for a United/Hyatt/IHG/WN card by a CSR citing the 5/24 rule, the available evidence strongly suggested that those applicants had other serious issues--multiple Chase applications in a short period; large existing Chase credit line--and that overzealous CSRs gratuitously (and erroneously) invoked the 5/24 rule in the past as an additional supposed justification for the denial. Thus, it is difficult to separate such false positives from any change in Chase policy.
Instead, the most useful data points are those where an applicant is approved for a Chase card despite being over 5/24. Since May 22, 2016, we have such reports for these co-branded cards (in order from oldest to newest for each card):
- Hyatt (link; link; link; link; link; link; link; link; link; link)
- Marriott business card (link; link; link; link; link; link; link; link; link; link)
- IHG (link; link; link; link; link; link)
- BA (link; link)
For a longer list of cards apparently not subject to 5/24, check this link:http://www.doctorofcredit.com/chase-...ail-need-know/
In November 2018, Chase seems to have possibly expanded 5/24 to more cards, possibly including some mentioned above. See this link:]https://www.doctorofcredit.com/has-c...-have-no-idea/
Please follow discussion in the thread for current updates.
How does Chase calculate the number of an applicant's new cards for purposes of the 5/24 rule?
The 24-month count includes personal cards opened at other banks, and even cards on which the applicant is only an authorized user and not the primary cardholder. Chase has been extremely inflexible with this policy, with agents stating that there is nothing they can do to circumvent this restriction. However, in some cases Chase may reconsider a denial if the applicant has <5 new cards excluding cards on which s/he is an authorized user. You may need to escalate to the next level of customer service agent, as many front-line agents seem to be unable or unwilling to remove the authorized user accounts from the count.
- The actual cut-off number of recently opened cards may not be 5; it may be lower or perhaps higher, and it may differ for different applicants. Note also that the number of inquiries on a given credit reporting agency (or the total across all CRAs) is irrelevant.
- Cards not reported to EQ/TU/EX, such as most business cards and store charge cards, don't count towards this 5-card limit (for the simple reason that Chase cannot see them). Two FTers had previously reported that even Chase business cards are NOT included in the 5/24 tally, and more recently a third FTer has documented a case where they would have been 6/24 if a Chase business card had been counted. Similar conclusions have also been made by some travel bloggers.
How does Chase calculate the relevant 24-month period? By calendar months? By exact days?
In February 2017, a FTer reported a successful application a day or two after dropping from 5/24 to 4/24. However, because Chase sometimes approves applicants who are at 5/24 exactly (see above), this data point does not conclusively prove that Chase drops cards from its calculation on the exact 24-month anniversary of the previous bonus.
Can I get around the 5/24 policy by closing cards I've opened in the past 24 months?
No. Chase uses the information from your credit report, and closing an account doesn't make it disappear.
Is there any way around the 5/24 policy (targeted mailers, pre-approvals, Chase Private Client status)?
As to targeted mailers, we have insufficient anecdotal evidence to reach any reliable conclusions. (Reports suggesting no exemption from 5/24 here and here.)
There have been reports of people with more than 5 cards opened in the last 24 months being successful if they are already pre-approved for the card in question. To find out if you are pre-approved, you can call or go into a branch to ask. Success stories appear to be connected to Chase Private Client (CPC) status and the rollout of the Chase Sapphire Reserve card. In-branch pre-approvals (showing a green screen on the banker's computer) result in automatic approvals. Some (but not all) CPC clients had success in recon calls[[I]citation needed].
Can I apply for a specific Chase card and earn the bonus again after doing so previously?
It depends. A Chase card may be "churned" when an entirely new version becomes available. For example, business cards are distinct from personal/consumer cards. Note that simple variations among bonus offers do not amount to new versions/products for purposes of this rule.
Beginning in 2014, Chase began including explicit language in most of its offers, such as the following:
This new cardmember bonus offer is not available to either (i) current cardmembers of this consumer credit card, or (ii) previous cardmembers of this consumer credit card who received a new cardmember bonus for this consumer credit card within the last 24 months.
In spring 2022, Chase imposed a similar restriction on its personal IHG cards, Premier and Traveler. Going forward, receiving a signup bonus in the past 24 months on (or currently holding) either card will bar applicants from obtaining a new Premier or Traveler card/bonus.
There are four key considerations in determining whether you can churn a given card:
- The 5/24 policy discussed in detail above.
- The 24-month bonus waiting period--in the case of Sapphire and IHG personal cards, the collective 48-month (Sapphire) or 24-month (IHG) period--is measured not from the date of your previous application (or approval date, if different), but instead from the date you received the signup-related bonus on the previous card, which may be 3-4 months later than the approval date. The same rule applies regardless of the type of signup bonus received (points, miles, or free-night certs); anniversary benefits unrelated to spending requirements, such as annual IHG & Marriott certs, do not count as signup bonuses.
- For cards such as BA Visa where the signup bonus is earned in multiple stages, the most recent reports are that the 24-month clock starts running only on receipt of the last bonus installment. In an older report, one FTer found that the 24 months appear to run from the initial bonus; after some difficulty, another FTer was told the same thing.
- If you still have your old card of the same type, you're ineligible.
- Chase's policy does not indicate whether there is also a minimum waiting period between cancellation and reapplication, and there is not yet sufficient anecdotal evidence from FTers to draw firm conclusions. At a minimum, a prudent churner will wait at least a week or two after cancellation before reapplying so that all of Chase's systems fully reflect that closure. (See first bullet point above.) At least one FTer has reported re-applying successfully 14 days after canceling the previous card.
I'm an authorized user for a card issued to my spouse/parent. Does that prevent me from signing up for the same card and earning a bonus?
No. Being an additional user on someone else's account poses no bar to applying for that same card & bonus, except insofar as such cards may count toward the 5/24 rule (as discussed above).
I already have several Chase cards with a substantial aggregate line of credit. Will it improve my odds if I close an existing account (or lower its credit line) before applying for another?
Yes.
In the past, the conventional wisdom among FTers was that you were more likely to hurt your chances by closing an account or reducing CL unilaterally. However, substantial evidence from 2014 onward strongly indicates that Chase is increasingly likely to reject applications (or at least not auto-approve them) where an applicant has an existing total credit line that is high compared to his/her income & spending patterns. (For many members, the threshold appears to be in the $45K-60K range, but that is highly speculative.)
Recent reports suggest that closing accounts and/or voluntarily reducing credit lines increases the odds of auto-approval or in-branch pre-approval. (You can do either by calling or simply sending a secure message through your Chase online account. You do not need to provide a reason for the request.) For best results, keep at least $5K-10K in excess credit; if your application is not approved, you can always contact the reconsideration department and offer to reallocate that portion of your existing credit line. Note: despite allowing credit line to be moved between personal and business accounts in the past, Chase is no longer permitting such reallocation in either direction.
With respect to timing, it is better to reduce any CL as soon as you can conveniently do so, e.g., after meeting the bonus spend on a card you do not plan to use regularly thereafter. (Do not reduce CL on a given card if it would increase your "credit utiilization"--that is, the ratio of outstanding balance to CL--above ~30%. A high credit utilization number is a red flag for banks and can adversely affect your credit score.) Waiting until one's next application to lower a CL is less than optimal, as the reduced CL is not immediately recognized by all of Chase's systems.
There is no known minimum wait between lowering a CL and having the freed-up amount become available for purposes of a new application. A prudent applicant will, as recommended above, plan well in advance; failing that, an applicant would be wise to wait at least 24 hours between lowering a CL and applying for a new card.
I wasn't auto-approved. Should I call in?
If you do call, expect extensive and possibly hostile questioning. Be prepared to answer questions regarding the need for more credit, past credit apps for both Chase and other banks, income, business finances, etc.
Yes, you should feel free to do so if inclined. There's no harm in calling for personal card applications. It may speed up the process and you can also request expedited shipping of the card upon approval. All of the above crossed out comments are specific to business card applications.
Know your CLs with Chase before you call so you know which card/s you are willing to decrease the CLs on. If the app is for a significant other who dislikes such calls, they can authorize you to speak on their behalf and hand the phone over to you.
How can I determine the deadline for meeting the spend requirement to earn the signup bonus?
Just send Chase a secure message (SM) through your online account. Although the deadline should in theory be N months from the date of approval (not the date of application or card activation)--where N is the number of months specified in the offer--Chase typically pads this period to account for the time required to fabricate and deliver physical cards. For example, a recent "3-month" deadline was in fact 114 days, as confirmed by Chase's SM confirmation.
Once I meet the card's spend requirement, how soon will I receive my signup bonus points?
Bonus points typically accrue at the close of the billing period in which you incur the corresponding charges. Points should appear in your hotel/airline account within a few days thereafter.
NOTE: If you complete your required spending in the last 7-10 days of the statement period, the bonus may not post until the following month's statement, even if the regular per-dollar points post on the first statement. This is normal behavior for Chase and is not worth a phone call.
Should I downgrade or cancel my existing cards before applying?
See the discussion at
- Chase Sapphire Preferred - Keep, Downgrade, or Cancel?
- Chase - Card Conversion, Downgrades, Keep or Cancel? (2016)
Useful Chase telephone numbers
(888) 270-2127 General Application Status Line, automated
(888) 609-7805 Alternative Personal Reconsideration line with live rep
(800) 243-6010 - Business Credit Card Application Status Line, automated
(800) 453-9719 Business Credit Card Reconsideration and Credit Reallocation Line with live rep
(800) 955-9900 General Card Services and Application status, automated
(888) 298-5623 Credit Reallocation Office (Personal cards)
(800) 242-7399 Executive Offices
(877) 470-9042 Personal Application Verification line with live rep
Twitter: @ChaseSupport
Note: In the past, automated telephone status reports stating that Chase would notify you in 2 weeks often resulted in an approval, whereas the "7-10 days" telephone recording often indicated imminent denial. In 2016, this pattern became increasingly unpredictable, with many applicants receiving approval despite an earlier "7-10 days" automated telephone message. As a result, automated telephone responses should not be regarded as reliable indicators of an application's likely outcome.
Applying for Chase PERSONAL Cards (2023)
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Applying for Chase PERSONAL Cards (2023)
I'm sure this has been answered multiple places but 10 minutes of browsing isn't pulling it up. Is there a particular credit agency that will get the pull if I apply for the United Explorer card? Or do I need to unfreeze all 3?
Edit: Well the answer is Equifax. I unfroze Experian and TransUnion; the Equifax website wasn't cooperating so I just went ahead with it. Had to unfreeze Equifax and got approval after that.
Edit: Well the answer is Equifax. I unfroze Experian and TransUnion; the Equifax website wasn't cooperating so I just went ahead with it. Had to unfreeze Equifax and got approval after that.
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https://www.chase.com/personal/credi.../credit-bureau
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So the answer can be different for every person.
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I applied a Chase Credit Card today as I thought I was at 4/24. But I applied Curve.com card last Oct and I didn't realized that that card was reported as credit card account with $500 CL on Equifax while not on TU and Experian. I am definitely upset but I was wondering if it is possible to freeze Equifax and re-apply with Chase. If Chase is pulling Experian then it should show 4/24. Any DP on this?
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I applied a Chase Credit Card today as I thought I was at 4/24. But I applied Curve.com card last Oct and I didn't realized that that card was reported as credit card account with $500 CL on Equifax while not on TU and Experian. I am definitely upset but I was wondering if it is possible to freeze Equifax and re-apply with Chase. If Chase is pulling Experian then it should show 4/24. Any DP on this?
I'm based in Los Angeles, and most banks, including Chase, pull only Experian for me, while a couple (including Barclays) pull TU. I can't remember anyone ever pulling Equifax for me.
But by now, you likely know whether you were approved or denied, and if you check Experian's site (where you can sign up for free) and CreditKarma (which is also free and shows TU and EQ) you can probably already see who they pulled, since you applied 5 days ago.
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Chase doesn't pull the same for everyone. It depends among other things where you're based. But they're more likely to pull the same for you as they pull before, so if you know what they pulled for you before, you've got a good idea of what they're likely to pull for you now.
I'm based in Los Angeles, and most banks, including Chase, pull only Experian for me, while a couple (including Barclays) pull TU. I can't remember anyone ever pulling Equifax for me.
But by now, you likely know whether you were approved or denied, and if you check Experian's site (where you can sign up for free) and CreditKarma (which is also free and shows TU and EQ) you can probably already see who they pulled, since you applied 5 days ago.
I'm based in Los Angeles, and most banks, including Chase, pull only Experian for me, while a couple (including Barclays) pull TU. I can't remember anyone ever pulling Equifax for me.
But by now, you likely know whether you were approved or denied, and if you check Experian's site (where you can sign up for free) and CreditKarma (which is also free and shows TU and EQ) you can probably already see who they pulled, since you applied 5 days ago.
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I was shut down by Chase 8 years ago, and last week I was approved for a business ink --BUT with a $3k line -- my credit is excellent have a credit line around 150-200k with other banks -- I want to get a personal sapphire as I am still under 5 cards -- THOUGHTS on if Chase would approve a personal card with another small credit line ??
Not concerned about a tiny credit line as can pay mid-cycle
Not concerned about a tiny credit line as can pay mid-cycle
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I was shut down by Chase 8 years ago, and last week I was approved for a business ink --BUT with a $3k line -- my credit is excellent have a credit line around 150-200k with other banks -- I want to get a personal sapphire as I am still under 5 cards -- THOUGHTS on if Chase would approve a personal card with another small credit line ??
Not concerned about a tiny credit line as can pay mid-cycle
Not concerned about a tiny credit line as can pay mid-cycle
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In this circumstance Chase sometimes closes the newly opened account. Example here: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/34124606-post564.html and others in the same thread.
--BUT my question is -- with such a low line $3k on INK any chance that I can get a sapphire approved? Does the low business credit line indicate that I am on thin ice and have a very good chance I will not be approved
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Attempting to open a Sapphire will likely result in AA from Chase if you attempt this soon in which case you won't know if they would have let you stick around with just the Ink. At least that's my opinion. Especially since you need to be approved for at least $5k for a CSP.
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Attempting to open a Sapphire will likely result in AA from Chase if you attempt this soon in which case you won't know if they would have let you stick around with just the Ink. At least that's my opinion. Especially since you need to be approved for at least $5k for a CSP.
what is AA?
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Another free way to check Experian pulls is via Chase Credit Journey which states that its based on Experian and will display the number of credit pulls.
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I was shut down by Chase 8 years ago, and last week I was approved for a business ink --BUT with a $3k line -- my credit is excellent have a credit line around 150-200k with other banks -- I want to get a personal sapphire as I am still under 5 cards -- THOUGHTS on if Chase would approve a personal card with another small credit line ??
Not concerned about a tiny credit line as can pay mid-cycle
Not concerned about a tiny credit line as can pay mid-cycle
IMO keep the new INK for about 6 months and then consider applying for the personal one.
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