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percysmith Mar 12, 2018 10:54 am

Not surprising. CNY 2018, with BKK>SIN in terms of demand, only HKK-BKK available was HKG-SIN-BKK

Rain187 Mar 12, 2018 10:58 am


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 29514289)
BKK companion awards should have some chance, not others.


Code:

1CX617/18MAYHKGBKK«
J9 C9 D9 I9 W9 R9 E9 Y9 BL HL KL ML
LL VL SL NL QC OL .
1CX662/22MAYBKKHKG«
J9 C9 D9 I9 Y9 BL HL KL ML LL VL SL
NL QC OL .
1CX702/22MAYBKKHKG«
J9 C9 D9 I9 W9 R9 E9 Y9 BL HL KL ML
LL VL SL NL QC OL .
1KA221/22MAYDADHKG«
J1 C1 DL IL Y6 BL HL KL ML LL VL SL
NL QC OL .
1CX617/13APRHKGBKK«
J3 CL DL IL Y9 BL HL KL ML LL VL SL
NL QC OL .
1CX662/15APRBKKHKG«
F5 A5 J9 C9 D9 I9 W9 R9 E9 Y9 BL HL
KL ML LL VL SL NL QC OL .



thanks but normally when will they release the seat and does my status in MPC help?

i already got one hkg to bkk confirm weeks ago and still waiting for the bkk to hkg (the outbound and inbound loading seems the same) and still have to book on some flight in between... but it's quite uncertain now .. just hope I can get it and plan my trip further

percysmith Mar 12, 2018 11:37 am


Originally Posted by Rain187 (Post 29515225)
thanks but normally when will they release the seat and does my status in MPC help?

i already got one hkg to bkk confirm weeks ago and still waiting for the bkk to hkg (the outbound and inbound loading seems the same) and still have to book on some flight in between... but it's quite uncertain now .. just hope I can get it and plan my trip further


Gold no. Gold is "front of the queue for waitlist" - what MPO claims is true .
But no seats are fed into the queue before (especially for public holidays like 22/5) the T-4 deadline expires and then let it be a free for all (so you compete with people with BA miles, AA miles, AS miles, CA Pheonixmiles and others)).

Your need to plan your holiday is no concern of CX. They already have your miles. In fact, they'd hope you'd start looking at AM first, get desperate, and then go buy CX tickets for $$$ without checking out competitors or leaving things too late.

To beat their redemption ticket racket you need to be as flexible as YVR uncle in post #631 above (it's a commute for him, he's self employed and has houses on both ends). But CX is racking up the constipation level so high these days that even he's getting beaten by CX.

G-CIVC Mar 12, 2018 11:45 am

Gold is of priority within the framework of CX generally releasing seats, but the ability to 'poach' a seat for sale into award inventory is a DM (unpublished) benefit only.

sfo to bkk Mar 13, 2018 1:26 pm

Hi all,

I'm new to Asia Miles as I've been previously been using AAdvantage miles to fly CX get to China. Now I plan to use Asia Miles.
I've searched around but haven't been able to get a direct answer to my inquires for award wait listing using Asia Miles.
I'm planning a trip to Xiamen from SFO in November for my son and I. I see award availability for 11/13, but ideally I'd like to go on 11/10,11, or 12.

Questions...
Can I book and confirm the 11/13 seats and still wait-list my three preferred days?
Each day there are two to three flights from SFO, can I waitlist multiple days and multiple flights? I was told by Asia Miles customer service that only one waitlist was possible. This didn't sound right to me.
Assuming this is all possible, I would have to rebook by calling AsiaMiles and paying $40 per flight sector, $40 fee x 2 passengers x 2 segments per passenger = $160, is this correct?

Any additional guidance is much appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your help...

sfo to bkk Mar 13, 2018 1:27 pm


Originally Posted by sfo to bkk (Post 29520451)
Hi all,

I'm new to Asia Miles as I've been previously been using AAdvantage miles to fly CX get to China. Now I plan to use Asia Miles.
I've searched around but haven't been able to get a direct answer to my inquires for award wait listing using Asia Miles.
I'm planning a trip to Xiamen from SFO in November for my son and I. I see award availability for 11/13, but ideally I'd like to go on 11/10,11, or 12.

Questions...
Can I book and confirm the 11/13 seats and still wait-list my three preferred days?
Each day there are two to three flights from SFO, can I waitlist multiple days and multiple flights? I was told by Asia Miles customer service that only one waitlist was possible. This didn't sound right to me.
Assuming this is all possible, I would have to rebook by calling AsiaMiles and paying $40 per flight sector, $40 fee x 2 passengers x 2 segments per passenger = $160, is this correct?

Any additional guidance is much appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your help...


Sorry this is for J class.

G-CIVC Mar 13, 2018 2:19 pm


Originally Posted by sfo to bkk (Post 29520451)
Hi all,

I'm new to Asia Miles as I've been previously been using AAdvantage miles to fly CX get to China. Now I plan to use Asia Miles.
I've searched around but haven't been able to get a direct answer to my inquires for award wait listing using Asia Miles.
I'm planning a trip to Xiamen from SFO in November for my son and I. I see award availability for 11/13, but ideally I'd like to go on 11/10,11, or 12.

Questions...
Can I book and confirm the 11/13 seats and still wait-list my three preferred days?

Yes

Each day there are two to three flights from SFO, can I waitlist multiple days and multiple flights? I was told by Asia Miles customer service that only one waitlist was possible. This didn't sound right to me.

At most 3 flights in total per leg (so 3 SFO-HKG, 3 HKG-XMN)

Assuming this is all possible, I would have to rebook by calling AsiaMiles and paying $40 per flight sector, $40 fee x 2 passengers x 2 segments per passenger = $160, is this correct?

It will depend on how much luck you have - if you can make all your desired changes at once then you wouldn't have to multiply

Any additional guidance is much appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your help...


percysmith Mar 13, 2018 6:50 pm

//It will depend on how much luck you have - if you can make all your desired changes at once then you wouldn't have to multiply

Will multiply - unless you can US$100 reissue in lieu

ajima Mar 13, 2018 10:02 pm

Hi, I am a newbie here

I am waitlisting on these flights for my sister. What is my chance of clearing 1 biz class ticket? I am MPC SL if it helps. Thanks in advance :-)

CX 104 0 MEL
03/30/18 3:20 PM HKG
03/30/18 9:50 PM 359
Daily
90% / 11m J9 C8 D6 I0 W0 R0 E0 Y5 B4 H0 K2 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0

CX 134 0 MEL
03/30/18 8:35 AM HKG
03/30/18 3:10 PM 359
Daily
78% / 27m J7 C7 D6 I3 W2 R1 E0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0

CX 178 0 MEL
03/31/18 12:40 AM HKG
03/31/18 7:05 AM 77W
Daily
98% / 9m J9 C9 D6 I0 W3 R1 E0 Y9 B9 H8 K9 M9 L1 V6 S0 N0 Q0 O0

percysmith Mar 13, 2018 10:50 pm

First two flights - none - you see y selling out. They'll cannibalise j seats to sell y

last - maybe j will be made available close in. But in close in they really may mean 6 hours

ajima Mar 13, 2018 11:20 pm


Originally Posted by percysmith (Post 29522353)
First two flights - none - you see y selling out. They'll cannibalise j seats to sell y

last - maybe j will be made available close in. But in close in they really may mean 6 hours

Thanks. I thought the deadline for waiting list is 4 days before departure, no?

And what is your advice on the flight below? Do I stand a better chance? Appreciate your help.

CX 134 0 MEL
03/31/18 8:35 AM HKG
03/31/18 3:10 PM 359
Daily
78% / 27m J9 C9 D9 I5 W7 R7 E3 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L2 V7 S0 N0 Q0 O0

percysmith Mar 14, 2018 2:27 am

CX134 31 Mar - looks good. Esp since the Y seat map doesn't look filled with real occupied

hl176 Mar 14, 2018 10:39 am


Originally Posted by G-CIVC (Post 29520692)
Each day there are two to three flights from SFO, can I waitlist multiple days and multiple flights? I was told by Asia Miles customer service that only one waitlist was possible. This didn't sound right to me.

At most 3 flights in total per leg (so 3 SFO-HKG, 3 HKG-XMN)

When did they change the max waitlist per flight to 3? I remember that I would be able to waitlist the same for for the entire week at once

percysmith Mar 14, 2018 1:31 pm


Originally Posted by hl176 (Post 29524187)
When did they change the max waitlist per flight to 3? I remember that I would be able to waitlist the same for for the entire week at once

Since 2010 waitlist rule change at least https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cath...edemption.html

and for am and gr, agents frequently only allow one waitlist/sector these days.

hl176 Mar 15, 2018 12:38 am


Originally Posted by percysmith (Post 29524996)


Since 2010 waitlist rule change at least https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cath...edemption.html

and for am and gr, agents frequently only allow one waitlist/sector these days.

That's really odd since when I waitlisted a seat for a week every day consecutively, there wasn't any issue and this was last dec. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you guys are saying

percysmith Mar 15, 2018 1:37 am

On the same segment?
So e.g. you waitlisted Mon/Tue/Wed/Thu/Fri/Sat/Sun on HKG-NRT (even if different flight numbers)?

I didn't know that was possible. Are you still a GR?

hl176 Mar 15, 2018 1:58 am


Originally Posted by percysmith (Post 29526931)
On the same segment?
So e.g. you waitlisted Mon/Tue/Wed/Thu/Fri/Sat/Sun on HKG-NRT (even if different flight numbers)?

I didn't know that was possible. Are you still a GR?

Yeah I waitlisted like that except for 889 so same flight number for all the flights. Yeah I'm a Green; I've dropped from Silver since 2017

AmD950 Mar 15, 2018 2:08 am

Wow. Even a DM/GO cant do that.

G-CIVC Mar 15, 2018 2:10 am

Wait, would that have been two PNRs or more? Then that sounds plausible

percysmith Mar 15, 2018 2:43 am


Originally Posted by G-CIVC (Post 29527000)
Wait, would that have been two PNRs or more? Then that sounds plausible

Then you may be unable to join outbound and inbound flights

Why not create ten single one-way waitlists?

hl176 Mar 15, 2018 11:32 am

Yeah all separate PNRs and all one way flights

To clarify, what I meant about the same PNR was when "upfaring" or changing the booking class of an award ticket; the booking reference as well as e-ticket number remained the same when they reissued the ticket

However, when I saw the seat open up, I didn't use the waitlist, but rather, I just called in to have them change the existing booking to what I wanted

chongl Mar 17, 2018 2:52 pm

My wait-list cleared overnight...flight is in 5 days in F for those wondering. It was F4 until I cleared

percysmith Mar 17, 2018 9:01 pm


Originally Posted by chongl (Post 29536820)
My wait-list cleared overnight...flight is in 5 days in F for those wondering. It was F4 until I cleared

To/from where? SFO?

chongl Mar 18, 2018 2:48 pm

LAX-HKG

rodchan Mar 20, 2018 9:31 pm

can anyone help to advise the chance that I can clear my waitlist.

May 7 CX596 HKG/KIX Business Class U 3 tickets
May 7 CX506 HKG/KIX Business Class U 3 tickets

Thanks

percysmith Mar 20, 2018 10:18 pm

Seat map looks good with 12 and 20 empty seats respectively.

rodchan Mar 20, 2018 10:34 pm

Thanks

But still 1.5months to go, don't think CX will clear me until early May. But my inbound ticket was confirmed and need to ticket before 20 April.

percysmith Mar 20, 2018 11:04 pm

Good that you have the right expectations. See if the inbound deadline can be pushed further.

rodchan Mar 20, 2018 11:17 pm


Originally Posted by percysmith (Post 29549199)
Good that you have the right expectations. See if the inbound deadline can be pushed further.

one question about the CX564 HKG/KIX 8:10 14:50 which has a stop at TPE, it says it will be an 1 hour stop. Can we get off the plane or we have to stay on the plane for the whole time.

Thanks again

percysmith Mar 21, 2018 12:11 am

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cath...l#post26271439

sfo to bkk Mar 21, 2018 6:28 pm


Originally Posted by percysmith (Post 29527055)
Then you may be unable to join outbound and inbound flights

Why not create ten single one-way waitlists?


I've wait listed business class SFO-HKG-XMN three different flight combinations for four consecutive days starting 11/09 for two passengers. The system allowed this.

The first availability is 11/20.

Question, would it be better to book the first available on 11/20 and change the ticket if and when the wait list clears or book SFO-LAX-HKG-XMN, LAX-HKG-XMN shows open on a desired date, and change the ticket if wait list clears xSFO. Pros and cons of each, including fees needed?

Thanks, appreciate the help in advance.

percysmith Mar 21, 2018 7:51 pm

One way redemption? What about inbound?

sfo to bkk Mar 22, 2018 2:43 pm

Yes one way only...

MikeFly Mar 22, 2018 4:12 pm

Couldn't find this question asked before... I'm a OWE with a paid biz booking looking to upgrade using my AM points. I'm currently waitlisted on 2 segments, do I keep my AM number (lowly green) in the PNR or swap it out for the OWE #? In other words is there any priority for OWE over MP Green? Thanks in advance for any insight offered. Currently both segments are listed as F5 (three weeks out); so I'm feeling slightly optimistic .

e39ng Mar 22, 2018 9:12 pm

SFO-HKG-SFO First upgarde
 
I waitlisted on 873/30MAR and 872/07APR for First class upgrade. It says I need to contact MPC by Mar 26 to issue the upgrades. If the upgrade is not cleared by then, can I continue to waitlist till just before the flight? What is the time frame MPC usually clear upgrades? I am just a lowly Silver. Also does booking class affect the upgrade chances?

G-CIVC Mar 23, 2018 4:41 pm


Originally Posted by MikeFly (Post 29556065)
Couldn't find this question asked before... I'm a OWE with a paid biz booking looking to upgrade using my AM points. I'm currently waitlisted on 2 segments, do I keep my AM number (lowly green) in the PNR or swap it out for the OWE #? In other words is there any priority for OWE over MP Green? Thanks in advance for any insight offered. Currently both segments are listed as F5 (three weeks out); so I'm feeling slightly optimistic .

No, OWE will only help you for revenue waitlists not award waitlists.


Originally Posted by e39ng (Post 29556780)
I waitlisted on 873/30MAR and 872/07APR for First class upgrade. It says I need to contact MPC by Mar 26 to issue the upgrades. If the upgrade is not cleared by then, can I continue to waitlist till just before the flight? What is the time frame MPC usually clear upgrades? I am just a lowly Silver. Also does booking class affect the upgrade chances?

You will 99% be asked to issue the oneway upgrade for 873 on 26 Mar if it becomes available and 872 remains not available. Or else MPO will drop you off the waitlist and you will have to keep checking yourself for the last four days before departure and eventually try for instant upgrade if nothing comes up still. Booking class does not affect upgrade chances.

beachfan Mar 25, 2018 9:46 am

What days of the week are upgrades most likely to clear (LAX-HKG and vice versa)? (F waitlist specifically)

I know Xmas holidays are going to be tough - does flying on Xmas day help?

When does the Xmas/NYE holiday crush start/stop? Is the window as wide as 12/15 to 1/15?

Thanks in advance!

QRC3288 Mar 25, 2018 10:22 am


Originally Posted by beachfan (Post 29564740)
What days of the week are upgrades most likely to clear (LAX-HKG and vice versa)? (F waitlist specifically)

I know Xmas holidays are going to be tough - does flying on Xmas day help?

When does the Xmas/NYE holiday crush start/stop? Is the window as wide as 12/15 to 1/15?

Thanks in advance!

It's just impossible to say what's most likely overall, except that yes Xmas Eve, Xmas Day, the day after Xmas and New Year's Eve (not day) are generally wide open flights. New Year's Day, by contrast can be completely full.

One key variable is when the weekdays fall. If New Year's Day is on a Sunday, works restarts quickly and people rush back. Versus if New Year's day is on a Wed or Thurs, folks will often take the next day or two off, meaning the rush could last up to the 7th. IME it never, ever goes beyond the 6th (departure) / 7th. Usually fine by 3rd or 4th. People gotta work.

beachfan Mar 26, 2018 6:23 am

Helpful,thanks!
What about by dayof the week outside the holidays?

HaikalS Apr 1, 2018 11:48 pm


Originally Posted by G-CIVC (Post 29515462)
Gold is of priority within the framework of CX generally releasing seats, but the ability to 'poach' a seat for sale into award inventory is a DM (unpublished) benefit only.

I'm a DM but this is my first time waitlisting a redemption. Any tips on how I go about this? Looking at NRT-TPE CX 451 on 29 Jul. Expertflyer still shows J9 C9 D7 I7

Thanks!


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