BA to cut up to 12,000 jobs in "restructuring and redundancy programme"
#1546
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There are other options but WW, and let’s face it he is running the show not Cruz, ( Where is he, by the way) will not negotiate any other ideas. And when you look the offer MOL has made to his employees I think you can see that WWS agenda is.
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#1547
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Everyone reacts differently to all the job losses. Mentally and physically. To say she can just take a gap year when her parents are unemployed or they can downsize their house is laughable.
There are some here who show no empathy, neither do they know how WW works.
There is no negotiating with WW. It’s his way or no way.
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#1549
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No but I have worked with many large companies and most CEOs have the same mindset if facing either a constantly changing market or relentless competitive pressure. If you have both operating together then you must be very focused on costs.
It's called the real world I believe?
It's called the real world I believe?
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I think that you are mistaken. When the only weapon an employee thinks that they have left is to withdraw their labour, the timing would be intended to cause maximum disruption to their employer. What union would ever say: 'we should call a strike, so what's the quietest time of the year? We don't want to cause the bosses any problems'.
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#1551
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I broadly disagree with your interpretation.
His comments on the June date suggested, to me, that he thought a deal would be done.
It’s quite OK for him to speak, he is more senior than Alex. He was also quite clear about Alex’s pay, no bonus no pay rise last year.
He also answered quite well given the goading nature of the interview with various ‘facts’ taken from union propaganda and suspect red tops.
I support the staff, but I find it incredible how one sided the posts on this forum are.
His comments on the June date suggested, to me, that he thought a deal would be done.
It’s quite OK for him to speak, he is more senior than Alex. He was also quite clear about Alex’s pay, no bonus no pay rise last year.
He also answered quite well given the goading nature of the interview with various ‘facts’ taken from union propaganda and suspect red tops.
I support the staff, but I find it incredible how one sided the posts on this forum are.
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#1552
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Agree with you. It can be dismal reading.
Everyone reacts differently to all the job losses. Mentally and physically. To say she can just take a gap year when her parents are unemployed or they can downsize their house is laughable.
There are some here who show no empathy, neither do they know how WW works.
There is no negotiating with WW. It’s his way or no way.
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Everyone reacts differently to all the job losses. Mentally and physically. To say she can just take a gap year when her parents are unemployed or they can downsize their house is laughable.
There are some here who show no empathy, neither do they know how WW works.
There is no negotiating with WW. It’s his way or no way.
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I would say BA and WW do have a history of negotiated settlements. At the risk of repeating what both myself and others have said on here, negotiation always starts with one party stating an extreme, hard position but 99.99% of time that is not their end position, they work back from that by conceding here, conceding there and the other party does the same until an agreed position is reached. How will the unions know what is on offer if they won't sit down and find out that what WW is saying is undoubtedly not what is actually on offer? The unions way or no way from where I sit.
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#1553
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I think that you are mistaken. When the only weapon an employee thinks that they have left is to withdraw their labour, the timing would be intended to cause maximum disruption to their employer. What union would ever say: 'we should call a strike, so what's the quietest time of the year? We don't want to cause the bosses any problems'.
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#1554
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It will surely be in the BA Accounts in the future so he would have a lot to lose if this pay rise claim was subsequently found to be true.
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#1555
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No but I have worked with many large companies and most CEOs have the same mindset if facing either a constantly changing market or relentless competitive pressure. If you have both operating together then you must be very focused on costs.
It's called the real world I believe?
It's called the real world I believe?
There are ways I just think you are too blind to see the alternatives and are naive about WW intentions.
I am quite accustomed to living in the real world, thank you.
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#1556
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Trying to put this politely.....it takes two to negotiate and be willing and from what your sentence describes it also sounds exactly like the union position? Which is that unless BA withdraw the S188s the union will not discuss anything. Period. From the union perspective is that not, "their way or no way"?
I would say BA and WW do have a history of negotiated settlements. At the risk of repeating what both myself and others have said on here, negotiation always starts with one party stating an extreme, hard position but 99.99% of time that is not their end position, they work back from that by conceding here, conceding there and the other party does the same until an agreed position is reached. How will the unions know what is on offer if they won't sit down and find out that what WW is saying is undoubtedly not what is actually on offer? The unions way or no way from where I sit.
I would say BA and WW do have a history of negotiated settlements. At the risk of repeating what both myself and others have said on here, negotiation always starts with one party stating an extreme, hard position but 99.99% of time that is not their end position, they work back from that by conceding here, conceding there and the other party does the same until an agreed position is reached. How will the unions know what is on offer if they won't sit down and find out that what WW is saying is undoubtedly not what is actually on offer? The unions way or no way from where I sit.
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#1559
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No but I am of the belief that over time, history has shown striking rarely achieves the goal the strikers are aiming for. History is littered with companies where the end game was simply fewer jobs or total closure of their industry because they became uncompetitive and did not react to a changing market and competition.
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