Understanding GUF2
Apr 8, 2019, 5:15 am
#811
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I have a slightly complex question. I want to book an I class fare using a travel agent and upgrade with a GUF1 into A class. A class is available in the outbound direction but the inbound direction is currently showing F1 A0 J9 D9 C9 I9. Departure is in 3 months so I think I would have a decent shot of clearing a waitlist.
The ticket requires immediate issuance. Is it possible for the TA to use the GUF at the time of issue, confirm A class for the outbound, confirm I class for the inbound and waitlist A class for the inbound? If this is allowed, what would the reissue provisions be should the waitlisted segment clear (ie would I have to pay the EUR 300 reissue fee specified in the I class fare rules)?
The ticket requires immediate issuance. Is it possible for the TA to use the GUF at the time of issue, confirm A class for the outbound, confirm I class for the inbound and waitlist A class for the inbound? If this is allowed, what would the reissue provisions be should the waitlisted segment clear (ie would I have to pay the EUR 300 reissue fee specified in the I class fare rules)?
Apr 8, 2019, 5:23 am
#812
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I have a slightly complex question. I want to book an I class fare using a travel agent and upgrade with a GUF1 into A class. A class is available in the outbound direction but the inbound direction is currently showing F1 A0 J9 D9 C9 I9. Departure is in 3 months so I think I would have a decent shot of clearing a waitlist.
Apr 8, 2019, 5:30 am
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Added to that I don't see how you can waitlist for A and have the TA apply the GUF later if A opens up. For a TA applied GUF the upgrade needs to be done at the time of booking.
Apr 8, 2019, 5:32 am
#814
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I've cleared multiple waitlists in A class with the same situation but the difference was the underlying business fares I booked were flexible so didn't need to be issued before the waitlist eventually cleared (weeks after booking). People's plans can and do change over the three months before departure...
Apr 8, 2019, 5:32 am
#815
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A class is available on the outbound so the voucher will be used for the booking at the time of issue.
Apr 8, 2019, 5:39 am
#816
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I believe the voucher can only be used in one shot at ticketing. What I have managed is to ticket on a different day or different service on the same day in /A/ and then waitlist the one I want. Sometimes 24-48 hours before the flight the waitlist clears. Sometimes not.
You can book mixed classes, book and upgrade one way to F and the other to J. Which is what I would do unless you are flexible on dates, as I concur with the above that it is probable /A/ will not clear.
KF
You can book mixed classes, book and upgrade one way to F and the other to J. Which is what I would do unless you are flexible on dates, as I concur with the above that it is probable /A/ will not clear.
KF
Apr 8, 2019, 5:47 am
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Apr 8, 2019, 6:15 am
#818
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I have a slightly complex question. I want to book an I class fare using a travel agent and upgrade with a GUF1 into A class. A class is available in the outbound direction but the inbound direction is currently showing F1 A0 J9 D9 C9 I9. Departure is in 3 months so I think I would have a decent shot of clearing a waitlist.
The ticket requires immediate issuance. Is it possible for the TA to use the GUF at the time of issue, confirm A class for the outbound, confirm I class for the inbound and waitlist A class for the inbound? If this is allowed, what would the reissue provisions be should the waitlisted segment clear (ie would I have to pay the EUR 300 reissue fee specified in the I class fare rules)?
The ticket requires immediate issuance. Is it possible for the TA to use the GUF at the time of issue, confirm A class for the outbound, confirm I class for the inbound and waitlist A class for the inbound? If this is allowed, what would the reissue provisions be should the waitlisted segment clear (ie would I have to pay the EUR 300 reissue fee specified in the I class fare rules)?
I do agree though that even with the open CW cabin, the chance of A class availability going up again looks slim to me.
Last edited by GinFizz; Apr 8, 2019 at 7:08 am
Apr 8, 2019, 9:30 am
#819
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If you look at your BAEC statement for that leg I'd imagine you got K class Tier Points and miles.
Apr 8, 2019, 7:32 pm
#820
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No, this wasn't the waitlist clearing - your eTicket for that segment would still have been in K class. The ticket would have required a reissue following that segment being confirmed in I class in your reservation before you'd be eligible for travel in the I class cabin (without an OpUp, which is likely what happened).
If you look at your BAEC statement for that leg I'd imagine you got K class Tier Points and miles.
If you look at your BAEC statement for that leg I'd imagine you got K class Tier Points and miles.
Apr 28, 2019, 12:54 am
#821
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I have an upcoming GUF2 booking. My GUF2 certificate for a open jaw to the US with me and my (GCH) wife. We are part of an HHA.
I now need to fly the outbound seperately and meet her at the destination. A few questions:
(1) If I split the PNR and change my booking (obviously losing the value of the upgrade), will my wife be able to keep her reservation intact (e.g., still benefit from the GUF2 that was originally applied)?
(2) If I no-show and she flies (obviously in J since she’ll be BIS before the system offloads me and cancels the return), will there be an issue with the return?
Any other ideas?
I now need to fly the outbound seperately and meet her at the destination. A few questions:
(1) If I split the PNR and change my booking (obviously losing the value of the upgrade), will my wife be able to keep her reservation intact (e.g., still benefit from the GUF2 that was originally applied)?
(2) If I no-show and she flies (obviously in J since she’ll be BIS before the system offloads me and cancels the return), will there be an issue with the return?
Any other ideas?
Apr 28, 2019, 1:37 am
#822
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I am not exactly sure what you are asking, and I assume this is ticketed. A GUF2 can be applied to a single single booking as a GUF1 - i.e. you can use a GUF2 to upgrade a single passenger so your option (1) would work if you just want the upgrade applied to your wife. I would avoid the no show option (2) as all sorts of things can go wrong - such as CI agent checking bags in under your name.
Have you asked your TA for options? If this is ticketed then they can see what is possible and there may be different grey options depending on the degree of risk you wish to take.
KF
Have you asked your TA for options? If this is ticketed then they can see what is possible and there may be different grey options depending on the degree of risk you wish to take.
KF
Apr 28, 2019, 4:01 am
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I am not exactly sure what you are asking, and I assume this is ticketed. A GUF2 can be applied to a single single booking as a GUF1 - i.e. you can use a GUF2 to upgrade a single passenger so your option (1) would work if you just want the upgrade applied to your wife. I would avoid the no show option (2) as all sorts of things can go wrong - such as CI agent checking bags in under your name.
Have you asked your TA for options? If this is ticketed then they can see what is possible and there may be different grey options depending on the degree of risk you wish to take.
KF
Have you asked your TA for options? If this is ticketed then they can see what is possible and there may be different grey options depending on the degree of risk you wish to take.
KF
Apr 28, 2019, 6:05 am
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That’s what I feared. So then what happens to her return if I no-show the outbound? I can buy a whole new ticket in J and expense so I don’t really care about my ticket value but want to avoid a situation where she gets downgraded for the return segment.
Last edited by MTJ Bound; Apr 28, 2019 at 6:10 am